Potholes - Porsche Driver Killed
Discussion
Looking at the pictures on the telegraph article again it appears that the Porsche accident was closer to the bend than the hole that i came across which was further along towards Petworth on the straight section and didn't have the exposed iron works
If he was traveling towards goodwood (westbound) then it suggests the car must have initially lost control/swerved to the East of the house (number 288?) and hit the building before hitting the BMW
If he was traveling towards goodwood (westbound) then it suggests the car must have initially lost control/swerved to the East of the house (number 288?) and hit the building before hitting the BMW
Zarco said:
Looks to me like the manhole cover has been worked on recently as it had sunk or was too low. It's obviously not finished. A 'raised iron works' sign may have been in order.
Just as likely to have been swerving around this:
I think this is the one is west of the accident scene so he didn't get as far as that Just as likely to have been swerving around this:
bigothunter said:
throt said:
I can't see the hole on this shot but, you can clearly see it could be a dodgy place to overtake if you time it incorrectly.
Entrance to the properties drive looks like it needs a spruce up
Click on the original photo for a large version Entrance to the properties drive looks like it needs a spruce up
Bonefish Blues said:
Nope, where's the pothole?
Some believe the pothole is clearly visible. I struggled initially but managed to find it. Think of the old Spot the Ball competition 
Unreal said:
The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...
bigothunter said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Nope, where's the pothole?
Some believe the pothole is clearly visible. I struggled initially but managed to find it. Think of the old Spot the Ball competition Unreal said:
The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...
bigothunter said:
Bonefish Blues said:
I have looked several times. I am looking for a large metal cover next to hedging (mindful that the Streetview is Dec 22, but that's a constant) and I can't find one.
This pothole is more subtle.Bonefish Blues said:
Can see that one, but the one which I understood was purported to be involved in this fatality is adjoining a metal drain cover. Was that just a random pothole with nothing to do with this or what exactly?
I can't find the drain cover at all along that stretch.The only hole cleary visible on maps is east of the accident at the entrance to the house on the opposite side to 288 (the one that was struck by the porsche). If that is now bigger than it appears when the google car last went past then it is possible that is what the Porsche may have been trying to avoid.
I'm fairly certain the second hole pictured in the article is the one that changed the trajectory of my car which is west of the accident between no 288 and 289 (labelled chandler farming)
Edited by Common Porpoise on Wednesday 8th May 22:28
I've now found the manhole.
It's on the westbound side just before the road straightens fully at the exit of the bend as you come downhill travelling towards Petworth.
(It's in line with the eastern end of the garden of the house on the opposite side to the one that was struck.)
Exactly in the place where it could have caused the accident.
I've no idea how the Porsche hit or 'clipped' the BMW before it hit the house. Unless...It is possible that the BMW was actually overtaking the Porsche when the Porsche moved to its right to avoid the hole.
At that point there is a solid line on the eastbound side but it is broken on the westbound side before the view around the left hand bend is completely clear. It appears that there was once a solid line on both sides which has since been painted over on the westbound side.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KzkhbaEBLus4KEvL8
It's on the westbound side just before the road straightens fully at the exit of the bend as you come downhill travelling towards Petworth.
(It's in line with the eastern end of the garden of the house on the opposite side to the one that was struck.)
Exactly in the place where it could have caused the accident.
I've no idea how the Porsche hit or 'clipped' the BMW before it hit the house. Unless...It is possible that the BMW was actually overtaking the Porsche when the Porsche moved to its right to avoid the hole.
At that point there is a solid line on the eastbound side but it is broken on the westbound side before the view around the left hand bend is completely clear. It appears that there was once a solid line on both sides which has since been painted over on the westbound side.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KzkhbaEBLus4KEvL8
Bonefish Blues said:
If that's the one then the cover has been replaced since Dec 22 since they are very different castings.
Another on that sideslightly further back round the bend here:Horsham Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/wVkjXyfRJnGSX7cX6
I can't see how the BMW and Porsche touched BEFORE either hit the house and then ended up west of the house unless they were travelling in the same direction.
Bonefish Blues said:
That one doesn't look like the picture either. I wonder if it was simply a stock photo?
Position on the road and the background are a good match. Very possible the cover itself has been changed. Any recent cutting or 'repair' could have contributed to the surface breaking up
GT9 said:
The Daily Mail article says the Porsche clipped a car and then crashed into the BMW.
It clipped one of the other two cars, not the white BMW.
Then hit the house, then hit the white BMW, which was travelling eastbound.
Which makes more sense, given the final positions they ended up in.
Aha, thanks. I can't see the article telegraph article any more and hadn't read the Mail one.It clipped one of the other two cars, not the white BMW.
Then hit the house, then hit the white BMW, which was travelling eastbound.
Which makes more sense, given the final positions they ended up in.
I think that the manhole in the article could be the second one i posted which appears to have dropped in the Google image.
In the Telegraph picture you can clearly see that a straight line has recently been cut to the right hand side and I'd imagine the concrete haunching is what was done to raise the cover. The cover would have been replaced, it appears damaged on maps view.
Obviously with repairs done to current standards the whole lot has since disintegrated.
Edited by Common Porpoise on Thursday 9th May 00:12
Bonefish Blues said:
If that's the one then the cover has been replaced since Dec 22 since they are very different castings.
This is the one... Third time lucky.https://maps.app.goo.gl/mB7Ho6VacDMtneah8
It's the only part of that whole stretch where the white line at the edge of the road is broken and the previous patch up job is clearly visible. The centre line is solid for both lanes here (almost the apex of the blind left bend) and it's a fair distance from where the cars came to rest.
If Unreal isn't just on a windup, there is what looks like a smaller slightly recessed metal cover outside the house that was struck, in the middle of the eastbound lane; just in line with the point where the kerb drops by the corner of the fence. The fluids from the white BMW flow past it but there isn't a hole and it's the wrong side of the accident to be of any relevance.
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