What is happening at EVO magazine?
Discussion
EVs won't kill the car scene for enthusiasts.
Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
Back to evo, just reading bits of the current issue, and the homage to the E46 M3, while very nice, feels a little rose-tinted. s
t brakes, slow steering through a fat-rimmed wheel, so-so gearchange, seats that can't quite get to the right driving position and suspension that can't quite disguise the mass of the car. (All arguably by the standards of the time, not just today's higher bar)
And yet it's still a wonderful 5-star car? This feels very Troy Queef / dab-of-oppo, as all of the plaudits are lauded on the engine (fair) and the very-biddable chassis (equally fair), while the shortcomings are glossed over because it's so much fun when pushed hard. Surely on balance it's a 4.5-star machine then? Or are stars entirely subjective?
(Don't get me wrong - that's probably my favourite M3 for all the reasons in the article...I just started laughing at how the car was picked-apart then still given 5 stars)
Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
Back to evo, just reading bits of the current issue, and the homage to the E46 M3, while very nice, feels a little rose-tinted. s
t brakes, slow steering through a fat-rimmed wheel, so-so gearchange, seats that can't quite get to the right driving position and suspension that can't quite disguise the mass of the car. (All arguably by the standards of the time, not just today's higher bar)And yet it's still a wonderful 5-star car? This feels very Troy Queef / dab-of-oppo, as all of the plaudits are lauded on the engine (fair) and the very-biddable chassis (equally fair), while the shortcomings are glossed over because it's so much fun when pushed hard. Surely on balance it's a 4.5-star machine then? Or are stars entirely subjective?
(Don't get me wrong - that's probably my favourite M3 for all the reasons in the article...I just started laughing at how the car was picked-apart then still given 5 stars)
havoc said:
EVs won't kill the car scene for enthusiasts.
Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
Back to evo, just reading bits of the current issue, and the homage to the E46 M3, while very nice, feels a little rose-tinted. st brakes, slow steering through a fat-rimmed wheel, so-so gearchange, seats that can't quite get to the right driving position and suspension that can't quite disguise the mass of the car. (All arguably by the standards of the time, not just today's higher bar)
And yet it's still a wonderful 5-star car? This feels very Troy Queef / dab-of-oppo, as all of the plaudits are lauded on the engine (fair) and the very-biddable chassis (equally fair), while the shortcomings are glossed over because it's so much fun when pushed hard. Surely on balance it's a 4.5-star machine then? Or are stars entirely subjective?
(Don't get me wrong - that's probably my favourite M3 for all the reasons in the article...I just started laughing at how the car was picked-apart then still given 5 stars)
They originally gave it 4.5 stars in a group test with an R34, Tuscan and a 996 - then bumped it up after giving the 330ci 4.5 stars.Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
Back to evo, just reading bits of the current issue, and the homage to the E46 M3, while very nice, feels a little rose-tinted. s
t brakes, slow steering through a fat-rimmed wheel, so-so gearchange, seats that can't quite get to the right driving position and suspension that can't quite disguise the mass of the car. (All arguably by the standards of the time, not just today's higher bar)And yet it's still a wonderful 5-star car? This feels very Troy Queef / dab-of-oppo, as all of the plaudits are lauded on the engine (fair) and the very-biddable chassis (equally fair), while the shortcomings are glossed over because it's so much fun when pushed hard. Surely on balance it's a 4.5-star machine then? Or are stars entirely subjective?
(Don't get me wrong - that's probably my favourite M3 for all the reasons in the article...I just started laughing at how the car was picked-apart then still given 5 stars)
I agree with everything you said though. The E92 M3 is the better M3, and the E46 330 manual the better overall E46 car, engine and gearbox combo. The 330 even had a quicker steering rack ffs
I'm 50 and one of those "ironic-generation" geezers. I love EVO magazine & been subscribing the last 3 years, since I finally could fund it. Such a joy to find in the hallway, to enjoy with a small glass of single-malt and Al Cohn maybe.
I really hope they survive, Evo has that 3% of good humour in everything they do, maybe its just Porter but it seems to affect the whole thing.
Been listening to Intercooler but dear me are they boring & just that bit too brit protectionistic for my liking
I really hope they survive, Evo has that 3% of good humour in everything they do, maybe its just Porter but it seems to affect the whole thing.
Been listening to Intercooler but dear me are they boring & just that bit too brit protectionistic for my liking
havoc said:
EVs won't kill the car scene for enthusiasts.
Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
EVs are still a nail in the coffin for ICE cars though for me, and I guess that is where my resentment comes from towards EVs, because EVs will kill off something that I love very much(cars with engines). The only saving grace is that I'll be dead before all that happens anyway I'd imagine. Legislation banning the sale of ICE engine'd cars is what'll kill the car scene...not immediately, but as the newest petrol engine'd cars become 10/20/30 years old* (and most of the truly fun stuff becomes 30/40/50 years old), the sort of people going to the events will change and dwindle, and the character of the events will change.
* Assuming all of the current high-tech, heavily electronic stuff with stupidly expensive part prices makes it to that age before 'uneconomic to repair' wipes them all out, that is.
cerb4.5lee said:
EVs are still a nail in the coffin for ICE cars though for me, and I guess that is where my resentment comes from towards EVs, because EVs will kill off something that I love very much(cars with engines). The only saving grace is that I'll be dead before all that happens anyway I'd imagine.
IC cars are going to be around for some time, as EVs, then self driving EVs become the norm. I can remember the removal of 5 star petrol being heralded by some as the death of the performance car.I like both IC and EV, they have different strengths and weaknesses. There is no problem preferring either or both.
Tough for Evo to please all the people all the time
They cant do the segmentation like youtube.Pereldh said:
I'm 50 and one of those "ironic-generation" geezers. I love EVO magazine & been subscribing the last 3 years, since I finally could fund it. Such a joy to find in the hallway, to enjoy with a small glass of single-malt and Al Cohn maybe.
I really hope they survive, Evo has that 3% of good humour in everything they do, maybe its just Porter but it seems to affect the whole thing.
Been listening to Intercooler but dear me are they boring & just that bit too brit protectionistic for my liking
Personally I find it all a bit "Dab of Oppo on the A350 from Bristol" from Dan Proser, Andrew Frankel as though South West Britain is the heart and soul of car design and driving. Its worth noting how Collecting Cars auction has stalled in the US even with Chris Harris and his merry men podcast. I really hope they survive, Evo has that 3% of good humour in everything they do, maybe its just Porter but it seems to affect the whole thing.
Been listening to Intercooler but dear me are they boring & just that bit too brit protectionistic for my liking
For me the AirWater Porsche event 2 weeks ago was a good example of how things have moved on for some in the car scene and others are wondering where everybody is?
1500 cars, 11,000 people and a focus on people, my friend noted how many women and non Porsche w
ker types were there compared to other car meets. He recommended the European one in June. Its in Wroclaw in Poland even though he knows my disdain for Porsches nowadays. If you drive a Porsche at a track meet I will speak to anyone else before you, only Nissan GTR owners out weigh you in terms of douchieness at a car meet.
But you won't hear a peep of this event from the Intercooler or ex EVO crowd as Wroclaw is not on the F1 calender and as its not at Goodwood/Bister so why go? There must be real confusion as to why Poland has been chosen as an Annual event like this?
Rsx Boy said:
Out of interest who sent you the email ?
EVO only sends me the usual newletter mailshots.
Ive subscribed for over 20 years so an official statement would be of interest to me.
info@promo.evo.co.uk sent this to me on 19th May:EVO only sends me the usual newletter mailshots.
Ive subscribed for over 20 years so an official statement would be of interest to me.
Hi there,
We’re getting in touch to tell you that we’ve joined Carwow. On 13 February 2024, Carwow Ltd acquired Autovia Ltd, parent company of Auto Express, Carbuyer, evo and DrivingElectric. As promised in our Privacy Policy, we’re writing to share this exciting news.
Who is Carwow? You can find out more about Carwow, the one-stop shop for changing your car online at carwow.com.
We’ve updated our Privacy Policy to reflect this change of ownership, which you can find on our website. The way we handle your personal data won’t change.
Any questions? Get in touch at privacy@autovia.co.uk for help understanding how we handle your data.
This email is being sent by evo , who is owned by Autovia. You have received this communication because you provided your email when registering with evo .
evo is published by Autovia, a trading name of Autovia Limited, registered in England and Wales no. 13018565. Registered address: 109 Borough High Street, London, SE1 1NL. VAT number 494 6163 17. Further information about how we use your data can be found in our Privacy Policy.
Rsx Boy said:
WPA said:
Just had an email saying that Carwow have acquired Auto Express, Carbuyer and Evo from Autovia.
Out of interest who sent you the email ?EVO only sends me the usual newletter mailshots.
Ive subscribed for over 20 years so an official statement would be of interest to me.
I agree the intercooler podcast is a bit boring, also find it a bit self congratulatory and lacking alternative/contrasting opinion. Their solution to every problem is often a Golf or a 911 and nothing more creative or individual.
With regards to the E46 M3, I did not know the 330 had a quicker rack, although I’m sort of not surprised.
On my Z3M coupe I replaced the standard rack (3.2 turns lock to lock and variable ratio, same rack as with the E36 Evo) with a Z3 standard rack which is linear and 2.7 turns lock to lock.
Wow what an amazing difference, the car was suddenly like putty in my hands and much more predictable and not having that horrible dead and slow feeling about the dead centre.
I’m not sure if BMW did this to make their cars more predictable and perhaps more stable/smooth on the autobahn, but the standard rack really made the Z3M feel like a bigger less agile car that just didn’t turn in with the enthusiasm you’d expect.
Of course it helps now tyres have come on so much since they were new.
With regards to the E46 M3, I did not know the 330 had a quicker rack, although I’m sort of not surprised.
On my Z3M coupe I replaced the standard rack (3.2 turns lock to lock and variable ratio, same rack as with the E36 Evo) with a Z3 standard rack which is linear and 2.7 turns lock to lock.
Wow what an amazing difference, the car was suddenly like putty in my hands and much more predictable and not having that horrible dead and slow feeling about the dead centre.
I’m not sure if BMW did this to make their cars more predictable and perhaps more stable/smooth on the autobahn, but the standard rack really made the Z3M feel like a bigger less agile car that just didn’t turn in with the enthusiasm you’d expect.
Of course it helps now tyres have come on so much since they were new.
Edited by urquattroGus on Saturday 1st June 18:51
WPA said:
Rsx Boy said:
WPA said:
Just had an email saying that Carwow have acquired Auto Express, Carbuyer and Evo from Autovia.
Out of interest who sent you the email ?EVO only sends me the usual newletter mailshots.
Ive subscribed for over 20 years so an official statement would be of interest to me.
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff