Militant runners on country lanes

Militant runners on country lanes

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Acuity30

213 posts

19 months

Wednesday 8th May
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jasonrobertson86 said:
There are lots of country roads round me which do not have pavements and people run / cycle on them. Cars usually only do 30-40 as they are fairly narrow. Works fine.
Much more sensible than a highway in rush hour

jasonrobertson86

617 posts

5 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Acuity30 said:
jasonrobertson86 said:
There are lots of country roads round me which do not have pavements and people run / cycle on them. Cars usually only do 30-40 as they are fairly narrow. Works fine.
Much more sensible than a highway in rush hour
I don't think anyone suggested highway in rush hour?

Muzzer79

10,143 posts

188 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Acuity30 said:
Muzzer79 said:
The thread explains a little the moronic attitude of some drivers when one is following the Highway code and running/walking against traffic when there is no pavement.

I have been beeped at, had waved fists and even had someone chase me around a housing estate to remonstrate as to why I dared to take up a foot of space on the highway.

Mind you, I've also had similar idiocy when I've been running on the left hand side of the road so perhaps it's just morons who think that the road is only for cars?
Rightly so. I mean running on a busy road is an extremely low IQ thing to do. Not only do you put yourself in danger, you slow everyone down massively. Why not just jog around the park or the housing areas like normal people do.
How do you think I get to the park, genius?

I’m not running along the M1, these are quiet rural roads.

‘Rightly so’ indeed rolleyes

gazza285

9,839 posts

209 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Acuity30 said:
Unless you live in space, there will always be somewhere other than a road to run on. Even a child learns that of the world pretty quickly
There’s other websites to post on as well, yet here you are, taking up bandwidth.

Solocle

3,355 posts

85 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Muzzer79 said:
How do you think I get to the park, genius?

I’m not running along the M1, these are quiet rural roads.

‘Rightly so’ indeed rolleyes
If you live in one of the houses here, then there is precisely one public right of way that offers access to your property. The A23.

London-Brighton veteran car rally 2021, I cycled the route, including along that stretch of the A23. Although it was pretty well tamed as the weight of traffic reduced the speed to 20-30 mph, so I was able to keep up with the flow, and didn't have to resort to the coned off veteran car lane.

In fact when a couple of slow phases arrived I got lucky with nice gaps alongside in L3, so moved out and overtook. rofl

Edited by Solocle on Wednesday 8th May 22:27

Foss62

1,064 posts

66 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Acuity30 said:
Unless you live in space, there will always be somewhere other than a road to run on. Even a child learns that of the world pretty quickly
This child didn’t, our school cross country runs in the early 70s went straight out of a small gate at the top of the playing fields and on to several miles of roads without pavements.
I think you have forgotten (if you ever knew) what the vast majority of our roads were built for. It certainly wasn’t for private motor vehicles - that’s why you need special licences etc. before you can even take those out.

Tindersticks

102 posts

1 month

Thursday 9th May
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Acuity30 said:
Much more sensible than a highway in rush hour
You’re not that bright are you. Literally no-one except you said that.

J4CKO

41,723 posts

201 months

Thursday 9th May
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I think some see it as very black and white as in running on a road or not.

In reality, you run on the path or away from cars as much as possible, but, sometimes there isn't a footpath. I do one route that has maybe a mile of country lane without pavements out of five miles, its a quiet lane, some of it has a verge on it, if you are vigilant its not a problem. Sometimes you need to stop to let traffic past, its just a case of being courteous and aware of your surroundings.

Its the same in those kind of areas as happening on someones on a horse, cyclists, tractors, stopped cars etc etc, i.e. you drive to what might be there, not the assumption you will have a clear road, as a new driver I nearly piled into the back of a fuel oil truck delivering to a house and had parked on a blind bend, I went in committed, too quickly having been round numerous times and bugger me there is one of those stubby little oil tankers.

A good driver will anticipate that there may be hazards in the road and drive accordingly, a good runner should be aware, make themselves visible and keep their wits about them, turn their headphones off for instance.

Some do seem to have the mindset "Roads are for cars", no, that is the most frequent usage and dominant mode of transport as its size, weight and speed transcends anything else, but the roads are for everyone to do whatever they see fit with, within the confines of the highway code, spend a million quid on a car, you have no more rights or importance than someone on foot, on a bike or on a horse, arguably less, with added responsibilities.


Ob 1

36 posts

188 months

Thursday 9th May
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Once you have experienced a few cars or vans just carrying on past you in a narrow lane at 35 - 45 mph cuss there’s room you get a little more militant.
Most drivers are fine and slow right down or stop for you in a lane. But I’ve been scared on many an occasion by some ignorant person who seems to think there’s no need to slow down for a pedestrian as they speed past in their 2 tonne metal box. Long story short, if you regularly coming across ‘militant runners’ then you’re not being careful enough to slow down or indeed stop and allow them to run past you.

The above only applies for single track lanes. On larger roads slowing down is friendly and ideally pulling out is greatly appreciated obviously when safe to do so.
Sometimes I’m surprised by the arrogance and rage of car drivers to more vulnerable road users. Your moral duty as a driver is to protect and go out of you way to prevent injury to others. Even if they are inconveniently running down your road!

I’m a keen driver and there’s plenty of places to make progress. But this always has to be done in respect of other road users. If I have to slow down or stop for a runner or cyclists then I do so. It’s really very easy for me to squeeze a pedal to go slower or quicker.

Most people who are furious with cyclists or runners need to get out of the vehicles and spend some time getting exercise and experience sharing the roads with angry people in metal boxes. It gives you a whole new perspective and makes you a more conscious and considerate human.

J4CKO

41,723 posts

201 months

Thursday 9th May
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Ob 1 said:
Once you have experienced a few cars or vans just carrying on past you in a narrow lane at 35 - 45 mph cuss there’s room you get a little more militant.
Most drivers are fine and slow right down or stop for you in a lane. But I’ve been scared on many an occasion by some ignorant person who seems to think there’s no need to slow down for a pedestrian as they speed past in their 2 tonne metal box. Long story short, if you regularly coming across ‘militant runners’ then you’re not being careful enough to slow down or indeed stop and allow them to run past you.

The above only applies for single track lanes. On larger roads slowing down is friendly and ideally pulling out is greatly appreciated obviously when safe to do so.
Sometimes I’m surprised by the arrogance and rage of car drivers to more vulnerable road users. Your moral duty as a driver is to protect and go out of you way to prevent injury to others. Even if they are inconveniently running down your road!

I’m a keen driver and there’s plenty of places to make progress. But this always has to be done in respect of other road users. If I have to slow down or stop for a runner or cyclists then I do so. It’s really very easy for me to squeeze a pedal to go slower or quicker.

Most people who are furious with cyclists or runners need to get out of the vehicles and spend some time getting exercise and experience sharing the roads with angry people in metal boxes. It gives you a whole new perspective and makes you a more conscious and considerate human.
Very true,

I have had a Range Rover Sport go past me on the "Tatton Mile" whilst on a bike going as fast as it could be made to go in the space, would estimate 100 mph, and due to the speed, and a car coming the other way it was very close, I would say no more than a metre from me.

I bet the very same driver would have a dicky fit if a cyclist went past them that close at speed if they were on foot.

Its all about speed and proximity, if the speed is low, the proximity isnt much of an issue, and vice versa.

A 2.5 ton large vehicle passing at speed is pretty alarming, terrifying actually, where inside its probably pretty serene, I think a lot of drivers havent ridden a bicycle or in a lot of cases, walked any distance for some years.

We all need to have some responsibility on the roads, when not in a car we need to remember how vulnerable we are, and act accordingly, and in a car we need to remember how much damage we can do, and act accordingly.

Put yourself in the position having badly hurt or killed someone, think about it, how you would feel, the effect on your life, it pays to have that time to realise that is not somewhere you want to go, guilt, court appearances, driving bans, prison, hug insurance premiums and the knock ons to relationships, career, maybe even losing your home. You see people chatting st "Its only a cyclists hur hur, you get ten points for them", but if anyone really thinks that they need to speak to someone who has been there, I have, I worked with a guy who killed a pedestrian, and that wasnt even his fault as the ped was drunk and walked in front of his car, he was never quite the same.

Julian Scott

2,611 posts

25 months

Thursday 9th May
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DonkeyApple said:
Julian Scott said:
NAAHD said:
All the talk about cyclists reminds me of last summer when I was walking my dog along a bridleway when a cyclist flew round a corner from behind. Luckily I heard him and turned just in time as he almost hit my dog but I yanked her back just in time. Cyclist ended up on the grass verge and narrowly missed crashing into the beck. Since it had rained earlier the grass was wet and he tried to get back on the pavement but ended up losing the back end and low sided it. His mate then comes flying round the corner and tried to emergency stop and almost went over his bars. Could have been a bit grizzly if he’d gone into the water as it’s a decent drop and a rocky one at that. Genuinely could have been a life changing or life ending incident if he hadn’t managed to change direction




Pavement bridleway?
Doesn't really matter. Everyone knows you don't go into a corner faster than you can stop if an obstacle appears. Away from dedicated cycle tracks the chances these days of finding a dog walker is pretty high so you don't tend to pile in at a speed that puts you at risk. Some folk aren't fully able to keep control of their hormones so end up in the trees, hopefully unhurt. Even on the dedicated tracks there's still the chance of finding a crashed rider but you do end up running the risk.
Quite true.....and flies in the face if the red-faced angry motorist moaning that cyclists use the road rather than the shared-space/cycle path next to it.

Julian Scott

2,611 posts

25 months

Thursday 9th May
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J4CKO said:
Ob 1 said:
Once you have experienced a few cars or vans just carrying on past you in a narrow lane at 35 - 45 mph cuss there’s room you get a little more militant.
Most drivers are fine and slow right down or stop for you in a lane. But I’ve been scared on many an occasion by some ignorant person who seems to think there’s no need to slow down for a pedestrian as they speed past in their 2 tonne metal box. Long story short, if you regularly coming across ‘militant runners’ then you’re not being careful enough to slow down or indeed stop and allow them to run past you.

The above only applies for single track lanes. On larger roads slowing down is friendly and ideally pulling out is greatly appreciated obviously when safe to do so.
Sometimes I’m surprised by the arrogance and rage of car drivers to more vulnerable road users. Your moral duty as a driver is to protect and go out of you way to prevent injury to others. Even if they are inconveniently running down your road!

I’m a keen driver and there’s plenty of places to make progress. But this always has to be done in respect of other road users. If I have to slow down or stop for a runner or cyclists then I do so. It’s really very easy for me to squeeze a pedal to go slower or quicker.

Most people who are furious with cyclists or runners need to get out of the vehicles and spend some time getting exercise and experience sharing the roads with angry people in metal boxes. It gives you a whole new perspective and makes you a more conscious and considerate human.
Very true,

I have had a Range Rover Sport go past me on the "Tatton Mile" whilst on a bike going as fast as it could be made to go in the space, would estimate 100 mph, and due to the speed, and a car coming the other way it was very close, I would say no more than a metre from me.

I bet the very same driver would have a dicky fit if a cyclist went past them that close at speed if they were on foot.

Its all about speed and proximity, if the speed is low, the proximity isnt much of an issue, and vice versa.

A 2.5 ton large vehicle passing at speed is pretty alarming, terrifying actually, where inside its probably pretty serene, I think a lot of drivers havent ridden a bicycle or in a lot of cases, walked any distance for some years.

We all need to have some responsibility on the roads, when not in a car we need to remember how vulnerable we are, and act accordingly, and in a car we need to remember how much damage we can do, and act accordingly.

Put yourself in the position having badly hurt or killed someone, think about it, how you would feel, the effect on your life, it pays to have that time to realise that is not somewhere you want to go, guilt, court appearances, driving bans, prison, hug insurance premiums and the knock ons to relationships, career, maybe even losing your home. You see people chatting st "Its only a cyclists hur hur, you get ten points for them", but if anyone really thinks that they need to speak to someone who has been there, I have, I worked with a guy who killed a pedestrian, and that wasnt even his fault as the ped was drunk and walked in front of his car, he was never quite the same.
Knowing the st surface of that road, that would have induced an increased heart-rate...especially if downhill.

BunkMoreland

417 posts

8 months

Thursday 9th May
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smn159 said:
Got to laugh at the internet hard men on here, apoplectic with rage at others using 'their' roads.

Makes you wonder how they cope with stuff that actually does have a meaningful impact on their lives
Thankfully their lives are so empty and devoid of meaning that they never have ANYTHING impactful happen in their lives! laugh

J4CKO said:
Muzzer79 said:
The thread explains a little the moronic attitude of some drivers when one is following the Highway code and running/walking against traffic when there is no pavement.

I have been beeped at, had waved fists and even had someone chase me around a housing estate to remonstrate as to why I dared to take up a foot of space on the highway.

Mind you, I've also had similar idiocy when I've been running on the left hand side of the road so perhaps it's just morons who think that the road is only for cars?
I think the problems come in when people do believe they have more claim over road usage than someone else.

Paying VED does not confer any VIP membership of the road users club, many drivers dont pay it anyway as they have a small car or EV, we need to get past that idea, as couple with the fact a car is big and expensive some do seem to think that they are higher in the peckng order, there isnt a pecking order just vulnerable vs not vulnerable, in law we are all equals on the road, Bentley or bicycle, horse or horsebox, just some different rules as to how to operate.

I know some cyclists may seem militant and entitled, pretty sure some are but by and large on a bike its largely about survival.

There is also the factor that for each mode of transport, they have different strengths and weaknesses, different speed, visibility, weight, width etc etc and sometimes that ignorant pratt on a bike is looking forward, has no rear view mirror and is doing 20 mph, stick you head out of your window in the car and see how much you can hear. So you may perceive that as ignorant and holding you up but try and understand they may not have clocked you, its like this kid I knew, thought the little sod was giving me the evil eye all the time, nope, turns out he didnt like wearing his gasses and was just squinting to see better.

Its not your road, nobody has any more claim to it, try to think whether a short delay due to a pedestrian, runner or cyclist is actually impacting you that much ? Do you react to a queue of cars by getting apoplectic in 2.5 seconds like the sight of male buttocks all wrapped in Lycra ?

And, dont treat one road user based on assumptions or prior interactions with similar, thats mental, people are all individuals, if all else fails, remember how many cameras are around nowadays, dashcams, phones and a fair few cyclists have helmet mounted cameras, so your fkwittery can come back to haunt you as the latest viral video trend, so be nice, be courtous and accept that sometimes you may have to wait or slow down.

Please dont be like that bloke using his windscreen washer fluid like some feeble defence mechanism.
Ob 1 said:
Once you have experienced a few cars or vans just carrying on past you in a narrow lane at 35 - 45 mph cuss there’s room you get a little more militant.
Most drivers are fine and slow right down or stop for you in a lane. But I’ve been scared on many an occasion by some ignorant person who seems to think there’s no need to slow down for a pedestrian as they speed past in their 2 tonne metal box. Long story short, if you regularly coming across ‘militant runners’ then you’re not being careful enough to slow down or indeed stop and allow them to run past you.

The above only applies for single track lanes. On larger roads slowing down is friendly and ideally pulling out is greatly appreciated obviously when safe to do so.
Sometimes I’m surprised by the arrogance and rage of car drivers to more vulnerable road users. Your moral duty as a driver is to protect and go out of you way to prevent injury to others. Even if they are inconveniently running down your road!

I’m a keen driver and there’s plenty of places to make progress. But this always has to be done in respect of other road users. If I have to slow down or stop for a runner or cyclists then I do so. It’s really very easy for me to squeeze a pedal to go slower or quicker.

Most people who are furious with cyclists or runners need to get out of the vehicles and spend some time getting exercise and experience sharing the roads with angry people in metal boxes. It gives you a whole new perspective and makes you a more conscious and considerate human.
Totally agree with those quotes!

FFS this is supposed to be a motoring forum, where we are SUPPOSED to be better at driving and roadcraft than the unwashed majority! Its embarrassing we have morons claiming roads are solely for cars or carrying out minor assault on others for daring to legally use the roads!

Be better!

Robertb

1,517 posts

239 months

Friday 10th May
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Why don't runners stay on pavements?

Why don't cars stay on roads?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...