Tuthill 911K

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993rsr

3,445 posts

250 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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thegreenhell said:
This is an interesting little interview with Richard Tuthill about the car. He says the engine could easily make 400 but that that would be far too much for the type of car he wants it to be. Worth a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TqqT59_A-0

Interesting comments at just after 3:45 talking about the 3k revs after 8k 'I don't know what the next 3000 rpm have to offer, something actually unnecessary', sure it was tongue in cheek.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

103 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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993rsr said:

Interesting comments at just after 3:45 talking about the 3k revs after 8k 'I don't know what the next 3000 rpm have to offer, something actually unnecessary', sure it was tongue in cheek.
Also quite interesting is watching Gordon Murray talking about the engine in his GMA T.33 where a surprising amount of torque was being produced at 3k revs despite revving to 11k.

993rsr

3,445 posts

250 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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Taffy66 said:
993rsr said:

Interesting comments at just after 3:45 talking about the 3k revs after 8k 'I don't know what the next 3000 rpm have to offer, something actually unnecessary', sure it was tongue in cheek.
Also quite interesting is watching Gordon Murray talking about the engine in his GMA T.33 where a surprising amount of torque was being produced at 3k revs despite revving to 11k.
From the GMA website:

'The T33 has 90 per cent of its maximum torque available from 4,500 to 10,500 rpm, making it usable every day.'


Taffy66

5,964 posts

103 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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The GMA T.33 produces a max of 607HP and 332 lb/ft of torque from a NA 4L. Pretty much exactly double what the 991K produces for both measures.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

103 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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993rsr said:
From the GMA website:

'The T33 has 90 per cent of its maximum torque available from 4,500 to 10,500 rpm, making it usable every day.'
So that's 300 lb/ft from 4.5 to 10.5k. I expect at at least the same %age from the 911K bearing in mind it has a substantially lower state of tune.

GT3Manthey

4,554 posts

50 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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thegreenhell said:
This is an interesting little interview with Richard Tuthill about the car. He says the engine could easily make 400 but that that would be far too much for the type of car he wants it to be. Worth a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TqqT59_A-0
Lots of background noise in that vid sadly .

What’s the cost of a build like this from Tuthills ?

993rsr

3,445 posts

250 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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GT3Manthey said:
thegreenhell said:
This is an interesting little interview with Richard Tuthill about the car. He says the engine could easily make 400 but that that would be far too much for the type of car he wants it to be. Worth a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TqqT59_A-0
Lots of background noise in that vid sadly .

What’s the cost of a build like this from Tuthills ?
Just under £1 mill .

GT3Manthey

4,554 posts

50 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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993rsr said:
Just under £1 mill .
I was suspecting it was around the same money as a Singer nowadays.

Tks

ChrisW.

6,351 posts

256 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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It will be wonderful to see as this project progresses ... I anticipate great things whatever the conjecture smile

isaldiri

18,740 posts

169 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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GT3Manthey said:
993rsr said:
Just under £1 mill .
I was suspecting it was around the same money as a Singer nowadays.

Tks
Afaik, a singer DLS would be a fair bit more than that.....

Cheib

23,315 posts

176 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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993rsr said:
thegreenhell said:
This is an interesting little interview with Richard Tuthill about the car. He says the engine could easily make 400 but that that would be far too much for the type of car he wants it to be. Worth a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TqqT59_A-0

Interesting comments at just after 3:45 talking about the 3k revs after 8k 'I don't know what the next 3000 rpm have to offer, something actually unnecessary', sure it was tongue in cheek.
I was at Tuhills early last summer when my car was being serviced...had a chat with them about builds. They told me about a very limited run of a handful of cars with an engine with 11k rpm limit. I asked about the power output and was told it was still under development and they didn't know what it would produce.

Appreciate I am not in the inner sanctum but I was as far as they were concerned a potential customer.

braddo

10,611 posts

189 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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993rsr said:
From the GMA website:

'The T33 has 90 per cent of its maximum torque available from 4,500 to 10,500 rpm, making it usable every day.'
Witchcraft.

Assuming the 911k has a similar kind of spread, and with the 6-speed 915 gearbox he mentions, what a thing!


isaldiri

18,740 posts

169 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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braddo said:
993rsr said:
From the GMA website:

'The T33 has 90 per cent of its maximum torque available from 4,500 to 10,500 rpm, making it usable every day.'
Witchcraft.

Assuming the 911k has a similar kind of spread, and with the 6-speed 915 gearbox he mentions, what a thing!
90% of maximum torque over quite a wide power band isn't entirely that rare. Most of the fairly well known high performance normally aspirated engines ie gt3s from quite a few generations, BMW NA M engines previously, R8 v10 etc.

SIX RSR

8 posts

13 months

Saturday 22nd April 2023
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Very exciting AndrewD. I am looking forward to some photos! biggrin


AndrewD

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7,547 posts

285 months

Saturday 22nd April 2023
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Phew! Where to start! It has been an amazing journey so far, and my car is finally taking shape. I think it will be around 835kg including fluids and 50 litres of fuel, more or less.

Should be finished in the paint shop now, colour is amethyst pearl metallic (M4Z) with hand painted stripes in tobacco metallic and gold bronze metallic at the bottom of the doors etc where PORSCHE shows through in bare carbon. The quality of the paint is exquisite, inside the frunk, the engine bay, even underneath the car it is the same smooth and polished finish as the visible panels. The painted body before fitting of windows, lights etc goes to Topaz for PPF and then the car comes back to Tuthill for all the bits to be bolted to it etc.





SIX RSR

8 posts

13 months

Saturday 22nd April 2023
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cloud9 Stunning! beer

AndrewD

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7,547 posts

285 months

Saturday 22nd April 2023
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Weight saving has been an obsessive part of Richard’s development work. Every part has been reviewed for weight saving potential, with an eye of course to longevity too. Most of the bolts are custom made titanium. We have carbon wheel rims for the Fuchs style wheels. Gearbox carrier is carbon fibre. And so on. The wheels are cool too in that you can see a small subtle band of unpainted carbon near the wheel centre, and if you look through the “spokes” you can see the inner rim is unpainted carbon. Subtle Like Tuthill, as they say. And the entire door is carbon fibre, not just the skin, with kevlar side impact bars. All the body panels are CF too. There is a carbon fibre roof sandwich panel with stiffening cross beams inside. The 911K logo on the engine lid is titanium too.












AndrewD

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7,547 posts

285 months

Saturday 22nd April 2023
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As you would expect, the ability to customise has been a fun part too. My favourite car is my Carrera GT, and we have Carrera GT style machined pedals with custom pedal box as well as CGT gearknob.

There is also a vast choice of interior materials and colours, from traditional leathers to the latest technical fabrics and “vegan leather”. Callum Design are handling a lot of this, and they work with you to produce renders so you can choose the colours and materials you want.

I am going with a combination of dark and light brown leather, perforated leather headlining, and a few other bits and textures.

You can option an aircon system, which I haven’t. There is also a gorgeous carbon fibre handbrake lever. You can have speakers linked by Bluetooth to your phone. There are a pair of dash mounted rally timers (an idea I had and being included in the spec for all cars as a branded item).


AndrewD

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7,547 posts

285 months

Saturday 22nd April 2023
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The engine was going to be a 2.8 but changed to 3.1. It was important to me to have good mid range torque and not just a top end screamer. And Richard listened. The exhaust is inconel. As said already on this thread, the engine has been on the dyno a lot, but not yet with the final exhaust and I am keen to see the outcome soon. I think they are pretty much there otherwise, a lot of testing and mapping done. I am sure they will err slightly on the conservative side rather than over stress the engine. When I drove the gold car, limited to 8000 at that time a few months ago, it was just incredible. With this kind of weight we don’t need 350-400bhp. It is more about the “emotion” and using all the revs. I am going to drive what I hope will be final mapping and final gearbox ratios in a couple of weeks. Richard is also working on different, lower ratios for gears 2-4.

The other abiding memory I have from driving the gold car a while back was how blown away I was by the suspension. You could drive slowly or fast over single track broken farm roads or nice fast A roads or twisty B roads, the car was composed and put the power down too. It was a real lesson in what a sophisticated 4 way passive setup can be made to do. Since then the dampers have been completely reworked with Motion control, so I cannot wait. Richard seems very excited about this, so I know it is going to be good.

AndrewD

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7,547 posts

285 months

Saturday 22nd April 2023
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And since I mentioned the gearbox, it is a 915 but lengthened slightly and with 6 gears plus reverse.