MG4 Electric

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mooseracer

1,929 posts

171 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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anonymous said:
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What is different between the batteries?

TikTak

1,587 posts

20 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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Alorotom said:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say and in my eyes the MG4 is fugly
Yeah agreed. I think it looks better in the pictures than in person too which is saying something.

That Prius isn't great either in all honesty.

Still, its a slight improvement on that too many letters MGZSEV thing that ever minicabber seems to have now.

Jon_Bmw

620 posts

203 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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anonymous said:
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I have just googled it and you are right, 60,000 or 3 years whichever occurs soonest.

How does MG know its been a taxi? Albeit mileage is definitely a good indicator normally. It does create problems for the 3rd/4th owner who are expecting a longer battery warranty.

My old man has exclusively charged his on a 3 pin plug, targeting an 80% fill. His usage, charging and battery protection is probably the best you will realistically achieve for battery longevity. He will buy a car and run it for 20 years, and did with a diesel clio before. It will be interesting to see how the MG5 handles the same usage.

The one thing that perhaps in its favour is that you can bank your ICE related servicing and put it in the slush fund for when something goes wrong. When I occasionally drive it, I quite like it but the ERS on the brakes takes a bit of getting used to compared to an ICE car. I imagine more discs will end up being replaced not because of wear but corrosion through lack of use.

Sway

26,425 posts

195 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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RazerSauber said:
Lester H said:
Good on MG for getting pricing semi realistic! Just to anticipate anti- Chinese calls, how many drivers of newish cars know how many components in these are made in China ( or India) ?
There's a difference though in parts made in China to the specs of European or Japanese drawings and the so called "cheap Chinse" parts. The Chinese have got some catching up to do but they're doing it at a seriously impressive rate. Look at when Top Gear went to China. That was 2011/2012 time and the cars were pretty awful. Now they're a viable option to purchase. Cheap Chinese motorbikes are doing the same. 2015 bikes were still using carburettors that were poorly copied from an 80's Honda design. Now they're everywhere. My local dealership is selling numerous brands. They've taken over Benelli, Royal Enfield and a handful of other known brands. We're definitely in for a Chinese revolution.
There's also the difference that Chinese made parts, or Chinese made Teslas aren't being state subsidised to lower the retail price and steal market share...

The Chinese revolution will only happen if this stops, otherwise there'll end up being punitive tariffs being applied.

Got4wheels

437 posts

27 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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The MG4 is colour and spec sensitive. The orange ones are great while your cooking models do look incredibly bland. Although those are far better than that god awful MG5 estate, looks like a mid 00s Korean estate.

The new Prius is a looker too, shame that it isn't coming to the UK. My only issue is that without an ICE, car design is is getting rather blobby now bonnets aren't disguising height.

Michael

mike13

716 posts

183 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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Saw one in the flesh last week, it looks like a home made kit car, just awful!

kambites

67,661 posts

222 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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Got4wheels said:
The MG4 is colour and spec sensitive. The orange ones are great while your cooking models do look incredibly bland.
yes That's very much my take on it. The "SE", especially in a bland colour like white or black, is incredibly bland. Not offensive (except the weird plastic panels above the rear window, which look awful); but very bland. The Trophy in orange or red is quite a striking looking car - not pretty (I could count the number of C-segment hatches which have achieved that in the last ten years on the fingers of one hand) but striking and certainly non-unpleasant to my eye.

Rod200SX

8,088 posts

177 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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This thread promted me to look at them and some reviews. I think i'd quite happily have one. Good entry level in to EV without being an aging Renault Zoe/leaf.

I think they look quite cool, too. Orange and the gloss light blue ones look nifty.

Lester H

2,768 posts

106 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Earthdweller said:
It’s like the 70’s again when Datsun and Honda arrived and decimated the U.K. car industry

European manufacturers today are in for a world of pain from the Chinese arrivals
You have nailed it. Most folk out there are not PH types so they are interested in value for money. I noticed one of these in the metallic red which Mazda popularised, and it looked very good. It is indeed a repeat of the Japanese car invasion of the 70s and 80s.People in general tend to vote with a wallet rather than ldeology.

LordFlathead

9,642 posts

259 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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J4CKO said:
And thats where the EV will start creeping in to more private buyers who arent either company car drivers, early adopters and/or wealthy, a stretch to twenty something vs befuddlement at 40, 50, 60 100 plus grand stuff.

People may accept some of the limitations of an EV more readily, if they dont have to remortgage to get one and its not completely useless like cheaper end Leafs with sub 100 mile ranges. Can see a lot of retired folk buying MG's, dont need to do huge mileage, cheap to run, quite compelling.
Spot on.

My first EV was a Fluence back in 2012. Had a claimed range of 117 miles. Actual range was 80 miles. Great car and a I bought another one around 5 years ago for £2000. Had 44,000 miles on the clock and only had a summer range of 50 miles.

My commute was 40 miles round trip so around 10,000 miles per year for commuting and add another 2,000 for local trips etc. I charged at work and occasionally at home. Both cars only required tyres - zero maintenance and zero breakdowns. Zero cost other than insurance and MOT.

When people look at buying an EV they need to look at what they want to do with it. There is no better car in the world than a cheap second hand EV for commuting.

GroundEffect

13,855 posts

157 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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MesoForm said:
GroundEffect said:
I designed EVs for 5 years.

Ive driven just about everything available as of today.

I bought an MG4.

Its got some software niggles but to drive, it's brilliant.
A friend has one, she describes it as “The best electric car that doesn’t cost a fortune”.
By comparison like for like when I was shopping last year

MG4 SE Long Range £270 month/£5k down
Cupra Born V2 £510 month/£5k down

Yeah...no contest.

I ended up with a Trophy for the heated seats and wheel. Still good value. And realistic 240+ miles in >15C weather. Around 210 in winter.

Durzel

12,296 posts

169 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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MG4 is quality. Mate has one (Trophy) and I have occasional use of it, and I can't fault it really.

The software is a bit quirky, the app (what I've seen of it) similarly so, but then non-Tesla isn't? All of the manufacturers are trying to impose their own discordent vision of in car UX that is the equivalent of someone's first Android app running on hardware that feels 5 years old when new.

I also think it's a bit of a bargain, less so now with interest rates having gone up, but still impressive. I can't see these dropping much below £20k because they have decent range, more than enough for pretty much anyone in the market for an EV.

AlunJ

118 posts

164 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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I’ve had an SE since December as a replacement for a Corsa E which I found pretty poor, I’m 7000 miles in.
On the whole it’s an OK car, it does domestic duties and the commute perfectly fine, has a decent turn of pace and doesn’t even handle that badly.
Winter range was about 150-160 and now I’d say with a light foot the 200 is probably doable.
Loads of room in the back for the kids and the boot isn’t too bad a size. On par with other similar size cars I’ve had I’d say.
The bad points, already rattles are starting to show up in the interior which are probably more noticeable given how silent an EV drivetrain is.

Infotainment not great, no speakers in the back as standard nor wiring to just pop some in easily.
It’s been back to the dealers twice for software updates already and a spurious air bag fault message that was coming up every now few mins and was driving me up the wall… dealer couldn’t find a fault but cleared something and touch wood it doesn’t do it as often, in fact it will go weeks now without pinging up but obviously not great.
There’s a few things which seem like an after thought, accessing the fuse box involves removing a few screwed in panels for example.

Would I buy another one? Maybe, but I’m certainly hoping the more mainstream manufacturers can come up with something more interesting to compete when I come to replace it.

Edited by AlunJ on Monday 5th June 19:23

jinba-ittai

1,246 posts

211 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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kambites said:
The MG4 is starting to trickle into the used market now too, by the looks of it. I think a six-month old car at £22-23k makes a lot more sense than a new one at £27k. By the end of the year I'd imagine you'll be able to get one for under £20k.
Are used EV prices terrible at the moment mostly due to electricity being £0.33 per unit? Looking at the wholesale prices now, the unit price could be under £0.15 by the end of the year (or soon after), then demand for used EVs will probably ramp up somewhat with prices following suit

kambites

67,661 posts

222 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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jinba-ittai said:
kambites said:
The MG4 is starting to trickle into the used market now too, by the looks of it. I think a six-month old car at £22-23k makes a lot more sense than a new one at £27k. By the end of the year I'd imagine you'll be able to get one for under £20k.
Are used EV prices terrible at the moment mostly due to electricity being £0.33 per unit? Looking at the wholesale prices now, the unit price could be under £0.15 by the end of the year (or soon after), then demand for used EVs will probably ramp up somewhat with prices following suit
It depends on what you mean by "terrible". They currently seem to be roughly on a par with ICE used prices, which is "terrible" compared to where they were a year ago, but as they become more mainstream probably about where they will settle. A six-month old white-goods family hatchback which was £27k new being £22k on the second-hand market feels about "normal" to me?

Turtle Shed

1,565 posts

27 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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J4CKO said:
People may accept some of the limitations of an EV more readily, if they dont have to remortgage to get one and its not completely useless like cheaper end Leafs with sub 100 mile ranges. Can see a lot of retired folk buying MG's, dont need to do huge mileage, cheap to run, quite compelling.
I've got a cheaper end Leaf and the thing is far from useless. Had it from new, just coming up to 70k miles. Charge over night, every night, on Octopus Go and just use it for those countless trips in and out of town/to the golf club/pub/dump/whatever.

Obviously we have a 'normal' car too.

PistonTim

520 posts

140 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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MustangGT said:
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James6112 said:
Cheap as chips, less than a lambo
Even Dacia charge a lot of interest now.. :-

£584 a month on a 2 year PCP. No thanks.
Where do you get £584? The quote shows £189.
£10k upfront to consider in overall cost!

jinba-ittai

1,246 posts

211 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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kambites said:
jinba-ittai said:
kambites said:
The MG4 is starting to trickle into the used market now too, by the looks of it. I think a six-month old car at £22-23k makes a lot more sense than a new one at £27k. By the end of the year I'd imagine you'll be able to get one for under £20k.
Are used EV prices terrible at the moment mostly due to electricity being £0.33 per unit? Looking at the wholesale prices now, the unit price could be under £0.15 by the end of the year (or soon after), then demand for used EVs will probably ramp up somewhat with prices following suit
It depends on what you mean by "terrible". They currently seem to be roughly on a par with ICE used prices, which is "terrible" compared to where they were a year ago, but as they become more mainstream probably about where they will settle. A six-month old white-goods family hatchback which was £27k new being £22k on the second-hand market feels about "normal" to me?
That particular car is not too bad depreciation wise, but many others have shed 40% after only a year, which seems to be at about the 3 year mark for ICEs these days

kambites

67,661 posts

222 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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jinba-ittai said:
That particular car is not too bad depreciation wise, but many others have shed 40% after only a year, which seems to be at about the 3 year mark for ICEs these days
Which EVs are performing that badly? Sounds deeply tempting unless they're rubbish or ridiculously expensive new!

jinba-ittai

1,246 posts

211 months

Monday 12th June 2023
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kambites said:
Which EVs are performing that badly? Sounds deeply tempting unless they're rubbish or ridiculously expensive new!
There's quite a few, mostly the Stellantis stuff which arguably have unrealistic list prices. But < £20K for a 1 year old EV is decent compared to some of the crazy ICE prices out there at the moment