Why no LPG cars from manufacturers?
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
Compo_Simmonite said:
House uses LPG as gas so the take off from the tank is at the top. Vehicles use it as a liquid so the tank take off needs to be at the bottom. That means you cann't simply use an exisitng house LPG tank to fill up a vehicle tank. It needs a bottom take off and therefore is plain to HMRC that you are using unduty paid LPG which they treat the same as running on red diesel. There was some suggestion that LPG tank installers are obliged to inform government of any installation with bottom take offs but don't know it this is urban myth.
LPG tanks require planning permission so maybe it's the council inspector who shops bottom take offs to HMRC.
Paul H
Well, what if one of my "top" take offs, just happened to have a pipe welded inside of it, that just happened to run down to the bottom of the tank internally........... ;-)LPG tanks require planning permission so maybe it's the council inspector who shops bottom take offs to HMRC.
Paul H
or so i believe.
Edited by 4sure on Monday 22 November 16:49
HSV GTS E3
6.2 V8, and has LPG option.
6.2 V8, and has LPG option.
site said:
The E3 range's engine line-up remains largely unchanged, the ClubSport drawing power from the 317kW LS3 V8 and the GTS powered by the top-shelf 325kW version of the same engine.
All models in the HSV family except for the ClubSport R8 Tourer are now available with an LPI system (for an extra $5990), allowing the engine to operate on both LPG and regular unleaded petrol.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/50825/hsv-e-series-3-e3-range-launched-in-australiaAll models in the HSV family except for the ClubSport R8 Tourer are now available with an LPI system (for an extra $5990), allowing the engine to operate on both LPG and regular unleaded petrol.
HellDiver said:
Compo_Simmonite said:
A few years back a mate had a "factory" LPG Vectra SRi. When it stopped working he took it back to main agents who had no idea about how it worked. Seems Vauxhall farmed out the converions to a specialist company and the main agent would have to arrange transportation of his car to them for rectification.
Vauxhall gas conversions were, and are still done by Vauxhall Special Vehicle Operations at Millbrook - the same guys that produce the Police-spec cars.You won't find many purely LPG vehicles as it's pretty impractical.
There are plenty of dual fuel ones around but not sure which ones you can get in this country.
Companies like BRC and Landi Renzo tend to produce the "OEM" kits.
HellDiver said:
Compo_Simmonite said:
A few years back a mate had a "factory" LPG Vectra SRi. When it stopped working he took it back to main agents who had no idea about how it worked. Seems Vauxhall farmed out the converions to a specialist company and the main agent would have to arrange transportation of his car to them for rectification.
Vauxhall gas conversions were, and are still done by Vauxhall Special Vehicle Operations at Millbrook - the same guys that produce the Police-spec cars.
Same mate was working as courier and had a CNC Combi van on loan off a dealer freind of his. Nowhere to fill up as the tank wasn't rated high enough for the place lorries fill up with CNC. You can have a pump installed at home but it take overnight to fill a tank and cost was quite high plus you had to declare to HMRC / pay duty seperate.
Paul H
4sure said:
Max_Torque said:
Compo_Simmonite said:
House uses LPG as gas so the take off from the tank is at the top. Vehicles use it as a liquid so the tank take off needs to be at the bottom. That means you cann't simply use an exisitng house LPG tank to fill up a vehicle tank. It needs a bottom take off and therefore is plain to HMRC that you are using unduty paid LPG which they treat the same as running on red diesel. There was some suggestion that LPG tank installers are obliged to inform government of any installation with bottom take offs but don't know it this is urban myth.
LPG tanks require planning permission so maybe it's the council inspector who shops bottom take offs to HMRC.
Paul H
Well, what if one of my "top" take offs, just happened to have a pipe welded inside of it, that just happened to run down to the bottom of the tank internally........... ;-)LPG tanks require planning permission so maybe it's the council inspector who shops bottom take offs to HMRC.
Paul H
or so i believe.
Edited by 4sure on Monday 22 November 16:49
You can also transfer out of red portable LPG bottles. Again a pump is needed to completley empty a bottle and I'm not sure if cost saving is worth effort.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LPG-Autogas-Transfer-Pump-/1...
Paul H
Can I resurrect this thread and ask a slightly different question:
Are there any manufacturers who offer LPG as a factory fit option? I ask because we are allowed to spec our company cars with manufacturer options at our own cost. Given I do c33k miles pa, it's an interesting option, given what's happening to fuel prices.
I know Subaru used to do this, in fact I found this: http://subaru.womoco.co.uk/news/major-lpg-initiati... but their site is so hard to navigate I've given up trying see whether it's still going.
Anyone know any other manufacturers who do this (assuming Subaru still do?).
Are there any manufacturers who offer LPG as a factory fit option? I ask because we are allowed to spec our company cars with manufacturer options at our own cost. Given I do c33k miles pa, it's an interesting option, given what's happening to fuel prices.
I know Subaru used to do this, in fact I found this: http://subaru.womoco.co.uk/news/major-lpg-initiati... but their site is so hard to navigate I've given up trying see whether it's still going.
Anyone know any other manufacturers who do this (assuming Subaru still do?).
Shuvi Tupya said:
How many have exploded? None as far as i am ware.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/It-wasn39t-my-...
Bonefish Blues said:
otolith said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Are there any manufacturers who offer LPG as a factory fit option?
http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
That's the problem, I'd only want the sort of LPG car that would otherwise be ruinously expensive.
I have been using LPG for years, American V8s really see the savings! Biggest problem is that only a year ago I was paying around 45p a litre, today I just had to pay 82p a litre (motorway services) the savings are shrinking!
I don't think any manufacturer other than Proton now offers a "factory" LPG car in the UK, however if you want an American pick-up then http://www.switchtopropane.com/pickups.html
I don't think any manufacturer other than Proton now offers a "factory" LPG car in the UK, however if you want an American pick-up then http://www.switchtopropane.com/pickups.html
I don't think the public as a whole "get" lpg, I've used it for about three years now, the kit fitted wasn't brilliant, nor was the installer, but having done over 30,000 miles I've saved back twice the cost of the installation. If you mention lpg to joe public, unless they're a caravanner or live in a remote area, they haven't a clue.
Too few LPG filling stations, too many valve seat erosion rumours from old and not enough dispensation on road tax. If LPG had been given the fanfare of electric/hybrid then it probably would have been really successful, but then the government would have taxed the ar$e out of it as with anything.
Too few LPG filling stations, too many valve seat erosion rumours from old and not enough dispensation on road tax. If LPG had been given the fanfare of electric/hybrid then it probably would have been really successful, but then the government would have taxed the ar$e out of it as with anything.
This may or may not be true, I heard that the government signed a paper many years ago as part of a "green" initiative to allow the sale of LPG for road use at a much lower duty rate than petrol or diesel due to the lower emmisions. The deal was somewhere along the lines of, for the next ten years LPG duty will only be allowed to increase by 1p per litre per year above any increase implemented on other road fuels. I think that this "deal" expired last year & the only reason that the duty has not caught up with other fuels is that it is still very much a minority thing so the revenue generated would not be huge in the scale of things.
Remember when they told us all to buy a diesel car when diesel was quite a lot cheaper than petrol?
Remember when they told us all to buy a diesel car when diesel was quite a lot cheaper than petrol?
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