EVs... no one wants them!
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BricktopST205 said:
I think what he means is that ICE aka VHS will still continue.
The 2035 date will get pushed back another 5-10 years and so on and so forth. Trucks are decades away from being anything else than Diesel. Then you need the take up on top of that to replace them.
you do know it's 2024, don't you?The 2035 date will get pushed back another 5-10 years and so on and so forth. Trucks are decades away from being anything else than Diesel. Then you need the take up on top of that to replace them.
trucks aren't decades away, certainly not for the UK. road trains and US cross country will need some serious thinking, but hardly insurmountable.
Muzzer79 said:
One of the main benefits for me in getting back into an EV is the convenience of not having to find and then stop at sodding petrol stations, pumping fuel in the cold and rain and being charged through the nose for the pleasure.
The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
This, the EV in our household is easily the most convenient. I spent 6 hours driving it today, requiring a 10 min top up while I took a piss and grabbed a sandwich. Would have been more hassle filling up our ICE. Cost in the ICE would have been £40 VS £8 (including £5 spent on a public charger). The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
Boxster5 said:
I don’t buy the so called “industry experts” saying we’re well equipped for the migration - there is no long term planning in the UK and we’re effectively sleep walking to disaster. We need investment in nuclear yesterday.
Are you an industry expert in nuclear?Sounds like you know your stuff. Did you vote for Brexit too?
BricktopST205 said:
I think what he means is that ICE aka VHS will still continue.
The 2035 date will get pushed back another 5-10 years and so on and so forth. Trucks are decades away from being anything else than Diesel. Then you need the take up on top of that to replace them.
The betamax thing is such a poor analogy anyway.The 2035 date will get pushed back another 5-10 years and so on and so forth. Trucks are decades away from being anything else than Diesel. Then you need the take up on top of that to replace them.
This is not about two different user interfaces or some minor differences in storage media, its about a wholesale shift from burning fossil fuel to not burning it.
There is an absolute inevitability that EVs will eventually become the norm, the maths and science are so far in their favour that no amount of feet dragging, or faux outrage about lithium mines will change the outcome.
If the 2035 date is going to be pushed back it needs to happen sooner rather than later, otherwise there won't be any ICE cars being manufactured to keep buying.
Using the 2030 thing as an example of shifting dates doesn't hold much water either.
It was always 2035, as per EU, 2030 was just another Boris clown show the got unclowned by the subsequent administration.
The progress towards closure of ICE specific production lines is already very advanced, particularly in Europe, somebody needs to tell the EU car manufacturers pretty sharpish that we are having second thoughts.
Either that or we will fall into line with everyone else come 2035, I know where I'm putting my money.
BricktopST205 said:
That ship has sailed a long time ago though a bog standard zero option M3 with zero deposit is £636 a month. 23 grand to own over 3 years with nothing to show for it.
Several PHers got the Honda EV lease deal last month £200 / month, that's the amortised cost btw. They probably save more than £50 in fuel/month compared to ICE.
They could have bought it for around £30k instead though. That probably would have cost them £10k over 3 years.
Instead of £7,200.
There is probably a £100/month opportunity cost at 4% for paying cash.
So you're looking at £10k cost cash or £3,600 leased including the opp cost.
Not convinced that particular ship has sailed quite yet.
otolith said:
Longest journey I used to make on a regular basis was Swindon to Edinburgh. 370 miles. I don’t remember owning a car that could do that on one tank (I have had since) and we would stop, get a bite to eat and a coffee and refuel. Don’t remember it being any great hardship.
I did Southampton to Edinburgh several times.Mondeo 2 litre Ghia, petrol, S prefix, did it without refueling. Stopped for a leak at services in the Lakes.
Audi A6 diesel, drove up on the Sunday, drove around every day, filled up 10 days later to drive home.
Peugeot 406 diesel would nearly make it there and back on a tank. Not quick TBH!
In those days, I'd run out of CDs long before I thought about running out of diesel.
Couple of months ago, drove down in a smaller petrol car, stopped for the loos and a driver change in some smaller services near Brum, petrol was similar price to Devon so we filled up.
nickfrog said:
Several PHers got the Honda EV lease deal last month £200 / month, that's the amortised cost btw.
They probably save more than £50 in fuel/month compared to ICE.
They could have bought it for around £30k instead though. That probably would have cost them £10k over 3 years.
Instead of £7,200.
There is probably a £100/month opportunity cost at 4% for paying cash.
So you're looking at £10k cost cash or £3,600 leased including the opp cost.
Not convinced that particular ship has sailed quite yet.
Hmm. Personally I think a 3 year old Honda EV at 20k or so being worth £20k disposal price has about the same chance of me winning Wimbledon this year.They probably save more than £50 in fuel/month compared to ICE.
They could have bought it for around £30k instead though. That probably would have cost them £10k over 3 years.
Instead of £7,200.
There is probably a £100/month opportunity cost at 4% for paying cash.
So you're looking at £10k cost cash or £3,600 leased including the opp cost.
Not convinced that particular ship has sailed quite yet.
Most EVs are losing 50% in the first 18 months at the moment. I am not saying this to knock EVs, it is just how it is.
confused_buyer said:
Hmm. Personally I think a 3 year old Honda EV at 20k or so being worth £20k disposal price has about the same chance of me winning Wimbledon this year.
Most EVs are losing 50% in the first 18 months at the moment. I am not saying this to knock EVs, it is just how it is.
Sure, if it's worth even less than 50% of list at 3 years then that makes the already compelling case for leasing it...even more compelling. They are starting to make excellent used purchases though as the used market has simply corrected the absurdly high list prices.Most EVs are losing 50% in the first 18 months at the moment. I am not saying this to knock EVs, it is just how it is.
I sympathise about the Wimbledon thing as at the moment I am even struggling to win club "friendlies"
JAMSXR said:
Muzzer79 said:
One of the main benefits for me in getting back into an EV is the convenience of not having to find and then stop at sodding petrol stations, pumping fuel in the cold and rain and being charged through the nose for the pleasure.
The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
This, the EV in our household is easily the most convenient. I spent 6 hours driving it today, requiring a 10 min top up while I took a piss and grabbed a sandwich. Would have been more hassle filling up our ICE. Cost in the ICE would have been £40 VS £8 (including £5 spent on a public charger). The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
KingGary said:
JAMSXR said:
Muzzer79 said:
One of the main benefits for me in getting back into an EV is the convenience of not having to find and then stop at sodding petrol stations, pumping fuel in the cold and rain and being charged through the nose for the pleasure.
The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
This, the EV in our household is easily the most convenient. I spent 6 hours driving it today, requiring a 10 min top up while I took a piss and grabbed a sandwich. Would have been more hassle filling up our ICE. Cost in the ICE would have been £40 VS £8 (including £5 spent on a public charger). The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
Now I just cruise home in warmth, plug in and the car’s full again in the morning - bliss!
Gir this reason alone is never consider a non EV again.
20 minutes gets you around 100 miles on a DC charger btw.
KingGary said:
What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.
well at least you've confirmed this as a troll account. BricktopST205 said:
Dave200 said:
Mine is privately owned. Nothing to do with salary sacrifice.
So it is even worse for you then as you are paying for the depreciation.Just for arguments sake I bought a brand new GR86 last summer. In its first year it will lose 3-4k and will most likely be worth 26k at 3 years old. That works out at little over £200 a month in depreciation. Add £100 in fuel and it "costs" me £300 a month to run compared to an EV. At the end of it I have 26k in capital too.
I could have bought an MG4 trophy for a similar price and been well out of pocket by now. Most have lost 10-15k in their first year. By the time 3 years comes around I would be lucky to have 10k in my back pocket after selling.
Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 07:25
BricktopST205 said:
Tony33 said:
ou can lease/PCP cars without salary sacrifice you know. Let the finance company take the hit on depreciation is they get the residuals all wrong. No risk, the monthlies are the same and hand it back at the end of term.
That ship has sailed a long time ago though a bog standard zero option M3 with zero deposit is £636 a month. 23 grand to own over 3 years with nothing to show for it. NDA said:
OutInTheShed said:
Mondeo 2 litre Ghia, petrol,
Audi A6 diesel,
Peugeot 406 diesel
A 490bhp EV might be more interesting to drive than the models you've selected for comparison.Audi A6 diesel,
Peugeot 406 diesel
Zj2002 said:
For sure. I came from a 2.0tdi A6 to an i4 M50, the 500+bhp, sub 4 secs to 60 and £10 for a full ‘tank’ mean I will never go back to cars such as those above.
Agree.I came from a background of fairly interesting cars and would struggle to go back to ICE now. In terms of cost, convenience, smoothness, power, etc.
Being able to plug in at home and never needing to visit a garage is really brilliant too.
And on longer journeys it really isn't the big deal that some are making out when needing a 20-30 min stop to add 150-200 miles or so.
I know this is falling in deaf ears though. People have made their mind up. Shame. I was anti-EV for a long time. It was my son that convinced me to try one, and i was immediately sold on it.
tamore said:
KingGary said:
What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.
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