Road legal rally car

Road legal rally car

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gog440

9,247 posts

191 months

Thursday 2nd May 2013
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vrooom said:
ummm i thought rally car has to be road legal regardless.
They all need an MOT, but if you are trailering your rally car to a single venue rally ie no mileage driven on public roads they dont need to be insured or taxed.


I stand by what I said (2 years ago!) that it would be a fking nightmare to drive a proper rally car on the road, no sound deadening, fixed windows, no heater/blowers so you either freeze or boil, a paddle clutch so they only really set off properly if you drive like a tt, on mine I have twin 45's so unless you are at WOT it tends to spit and fart and soots your plugs up. Also going broadside around every roundabout (because of the LSD) whilst being fun tends to be frowned upon by the old bill.

Monty Python

4,812 posts

198 months

Thursday 2nd May 2013
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There's a few here - Escort RS1800, Escort Mk 1, Ferrari 308

http://www.oakfields.com/html/showroom01x.asp?offs...


markmullen

15,877 posts

235 months

Thursday 2nd May 2013
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Driving competition prepared cars on the road really isn't as much fun as it sounds, they're noisy, crashy, often have a terrible lock which makes low speed handling awful, brakes that don't get enough temperature in them at road speeds, no heaters, plastic windows, they're just not fun outside the conditions they were designed for.

On the other hand something like a Tarmac rally car can be great fun, I ran a 1976 Porsche 911 3 litre Carrera set up like that for a while, it was awesome, if you were in the right frame of mind for it, flames popping on the over run, pointy steering, lively handling etc.

TheEnd

15,370 posts

189 months

Thursday 2nd May 2013
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Archaeology at its finest.

aw51 121565

4,771 posts

234 months

Thursday 2nd May 2013
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Sam_68 said:
kiteless said:
Really?

You really believe that Harris (and, for that matter, Meaden / Barker / Frankel / Sutcliffe / Kacher et al) write such prose to pander to teenagers and wannabes?
Yes, really. frown

I've done a bit of motoring journalism myself in my time, so I know the sort of feedback you'd get from your editor if you wrote anything that;
a) didn't pander to the views of your target audience
b) trod on the toes of advertisers
c) seriously pissed on the chips of the person/company who supplied you with the test car

Do you really believe that Evo would publish an article that consisted of several pages of whining about how an iconic (and hence very valuable) car driven by a rally legend was just a pain in the arse for anything other than a close approximation to its natural environment of the rally stage? Their job in such a case is to accentuate the positive - and of course the car is a blast to drive when you get a clear shot a at a nice bit of tarmac in the Welsh mountains, so that's where the story lies.

Never mind the big money of the glossy magazines; I can well recall the dummy-spitting (and threats of withdrawn advertising) that occured when a friend of mine wrote a comparative test of a well-known kit car against the S1 Elise, for CCC magazine, which basically concluded that it was very good indeed but that it would have its work cut out for it competing with the equally good, equally cheap, but more mainstream Elise with its added bonus of Lotus badge kudos.

... or the insistence on rights of editorial comment/veto (and the delicate dance around final wording that often resulted) sometimes demanded by owners/manufacturers of cars that I myself wrote about.

It's one of the reasons I gave up on the game; as anyone who is familiar with my posts here on PistonHeads will tell you, I don't really do rose-tinted glasses, careful diplomacy and delicately balanced half-truths!

I've also driven enough cars with...
  • competition spec. engines (usually with fairly narrow power bands)
  • competition gearboxes (brutally clunky dog engagement, incredibly noisy straight-cut gears and close ratios that are inapproriate for the wide range of speeds you need to deal with on public roads)
  • no sound or heat insulation
  • no air-con
  • loud exhaust
  • cooling system that is marginal because it's not designed with the need to function at slower speeds
  • Rose-jointed suspension that transmits every bit of vibration and tyre noise to the shell
  • stiff springs and dampers that only offer any compliance when they're getting the pounding they're designed for at competion speeds
  • pointy, ulra-quick steering geometry that requires constant correction
  • brake pads that need a gorilla to get even the slightest braking effort until they're up to temperature and;
  • tyres that only grip (or last more than a few hundred miles) for teh specific surfaces and conditions they're designed for...
...to know that the novelty wears off fairly quickly when you're forced to follow a stream of traffic headed by Reginald Molehusband in his Rover 400 on a country road with limited overtaking opportunities or (even worse) trickling them through heavy traffic in a city centre.

(Disclaimer: yes, I know that not all of the above apply to all competition cars, but it's a pretty typical list).

Honestly: for the daily grind, give me a nice little mainstream hot hatch back or an MX5, any day.
The late great Russell Bulgin wrote a road test on Malcolm Wilson's Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth Group A Rally Car, where he took it to the shops and otherwise trundled around doing daily driving for a bit...

The item "told it how it was" with a positive spin, and pointed out the true raison d'etre of the car cloud9 . I would say there are no current/modern writers who could ever match equal Russell Bulgin - or his contemporaries at CARfrown .

I think your points (a) to (c) weren't even touched-on by Mr B - truly a different level of writing smile .

Cyder

7,069 posts

221 months

Thursday 2nd May 2013
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My Dad used to rally a GP A Sierra Cossie back in the late 80's and said it was horrendous on the road sections, noisy, uncomfortable, hot and horrendously difficult to pull away in without either stalling or leaving half your tyre attached to the road surface in a cloud of smoke!

Some guys I know now rally a Mitsi WRC and I think it's much more civilised on the road as the engine mapping can be changed to calm it down!

Wild Rumpus

375 posts

175 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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I've owned a few rally cars - all of them were/are horrendous to drive on public roads. If they are properly set up then they only feel good when you are driving at 10/10ths, which just isn't appropriate - even for quiet B-Class roads.