Obscure race and rally cars

Obscure race and rally cars

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Lord Croker

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7,057 posts

191 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Stilborn 4wd Cosworth F1


Porch wink 961








Edited by Lord Croker on Tuesday 10th February 15:08

chevronb37

6,471 posts

188 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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One of my favourite group of obscurities - the F1 six-wheelers.

Tyrrell P34. Launch in 1975 high-airbox configuration but raced - and won - in this bodywork in 1976. Later ran sleeker body, but without tyre development it fell back, despite RP to drive it. Three are currently actve in historic racing. A 1976-spec. car in the States and two in 1977 guise at the hands of Martin Stretton and Mauro Pane.



Ferrari 312T6. Along the same lines as the pre-war ERAs and Auto Unions in hill/mountain climbing. Never raced.



March 2-4-0. Based around a 761 chassis, it tested but never raced. Roy Lane ran a later version in the British Hillclimb Championship.



Williams FW08 six wheeler. Electrified crowds (including a pre-teen chevronb37) at early Goodwood Festivals in Dr JP's hands. Traction was surreal, although JP still managed to oversteer somehow...


Save Ferris

2,687 posts

215 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Citroen Visa with mid-mounted Lotus Esprit engine


Ranger 6

7,075 posts

251 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Lord Croker said:
Later run in rallycross by John Welch


I seem to remember it had a 500bhp engine with an X-Trac transmission.

BTW: Burton's and Kynaston's cars shown & mentioned earlier are defintely unusual but not obscure!!

Edited by Ranger 6 on Tuesday 10th February 15:44

shirt

22,714 posts

203 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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skoda mb1000 rally car:



and a personal favourite, the tatra 603:






RicksAlfas

13,432 posts

246 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Nic Jones said:
Andy Burton's Peugeot Cosworth
Superb bit of kit, but I prefer his Alfa-Ferrari!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2rROTHn5y0

andy97

4,704 posts

224 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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[quote=chevronb37]One of my favourite group of obscurities - the F1 six-wheelers.



March 2-4-0. Based around a 761 chassis, it tested but never raced. Roy Lane ran a later version in the British Hillclimb Championship.



Yes but when it tested for the first time the gearbox was not properly developed or it was broken and it ran in only 2wd form despite having all the 4 wheels at the back. Its in the book "Story of March". It was wet during the first test and the driver was told not to "gun it" so as not to provoke wheel spin & give the game away! Despite this one of the weeklies still referred to its impressive traction!!!!

Roy Lane won hill climb events in his version but only in the wet, I think, & rebuilt it to conventional 4 wheel configuration half way through the season.

It still amazes me that these sorts of cars were built and that people like Ken Tyrrell had the balls to build them. Its a shame that currenbt rules prevent this sort of innovation.

CNHSS1

942 posts

219 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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dougc said:
pah - you lot and your turbine cars.

What you want is a Ford BDA petrol engine AND a turbine like this has:



BDA makes it go, APU runs the turbo for instant lag free acceleration.
Nic Manns 'Mannic Beattie' fastest accelerating hiilcimb car in UK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11687nVdzdk&fea...

CNHSS1

942 posts

219 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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dougc said:
pah - you lot and your turbine cars.

What you want is a Ford BDA petrol engine AND a turbine like this has:



BDA makes it go, APU runs the turbo for instant lag free acceleration.
Nic Manns 'Mannic Beattie' fastest accelerating hiilcimb car in UK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11687nVdzdk&fea...

//j17

4,522 posts

225 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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You can add almost anything used at Pikes Peak to the list:

Something (http://www.philbennett.com/news/default.asp?id=103)


Suzuki XL7


Suzuki Vitara

CanAm

9,356 posts

274 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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chevronb37 said:
shirt said:
like that is it? i re-raise you the howmet tx turbine:

If memory serves, the Howmet actually qualified second for a Group 6 race at Oulton Park in about 1968. Is anyone more of a geek than me and can confirm this?
Well I was at the BOAC 500 at Brands when the Howmet driven by Hugh Dibley and Dick Thompson qualified on Row 3 in quite a strong field, and again at the Oulton Park Spring Cup the following (Good) Friday. I think it may have qualified on the second row rather than in second place as I think the first 3 were Brian Redman (Lola) David Piper (Ferrari P3) and Paul Hawkins (GT40). I'm sure Hugh Dibley got the Howmet up to 3rd place before it failed to re-start after a pit-stop. Sadly, my programmes for these races were lost some years ago and memory is a dangerous thing!

busa turbo

228 posts

203 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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RS200

snowen250

1,090 posts

185 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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From memory not a nice car to race, but stunning to look at!

Cheers for the BGT Westfield stunning car!
Simon

skwdenyer

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242 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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busa turbo said:
RS200
Isn't that just going to be ghastly when it is all covered in tarmac frown

Stack

795 posts

189 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Great thread idea Lord Croker !

I mentioned Minardi Subaru earlier ...so here is the Coloni Subaru which was used in active competition.


& here is a very rare livery (only raced once , Estoril 86) Rosberg in the McLaren MP4 2C
in Marlboro Lights colours (see the standard Marlboro red on his helmet)




freedman

5,497 posts

209 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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snowen250 said:
From memory not a nice car to race, but stunning to look at!

Cheers for the BGT Westfield stunning car!
Simon
Ford 3L

Bruce McLaren qualified it 2nd on its debut at the BOAC 500 (where the pic is from I imagine) and it lead in the hands of Mike Spence until the car failed

Car was also on pole at Spa but despite pace it never finished a single race!

eastlmark

1,654 posts

209 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Rude-boy said:
I was looking for a suitable Rondeau to post up but found this instead, which is much more in keeping i feel hehe


Apparently it is an Ardex S80 - BMW M88 L6 3497 cc N/A


Edited by Rude-boy on Monday 9th February 14:14
I remember seeing this car in the Paddock at Lemans that year, it failed to qualify (or maybe even failed to even try). It had a front mounted BMW 6 alongside the drivers legs (IIRC) with no firewall so the driver was exposed to all the heat, fumes etc, the exhaust was routed out of the passenger side door. Just looked frightening!

The oddest entry I can remember from the period though must have been the Sambo Turbo which was either a Saab engined Lambo or a Lambo engined Saab, Cannot think why anyone would want to enter anything other than a Lambo engined Lambo but what the heck. Despite searching for this car for 2 years I never found it and even now cannot find even a picture of it on the net.

Edited by eastlmark on Tuesday 10th February 21:52

anonymous-user

56 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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chevronb37 said:
johnfelstead said:
chevronb37 said:
BRM P351. Developed at the end of Group C. It failed to qualify for Le Mans in Wayne Taylor's hands, was powered by a development of the Weslake V12 which Dan Gurney used in 1966 and 1967!
Dan's GT40 was a V8, not a V12. wink
This was the V12 from the Eagle Weslake Grand Prix car, not the GT40 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Mk1
AH, sorry, my brain doesn't do single seaters. winkbiggrin

anonymous-user

56 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Chassis 33 said:
Shamelessly ripped from the December 2001 edition of Motorsport...

The Chapparral 2E with its rear wing air brake, operated as your released it pedal with the left foot in order to hit the wheel brakes pedal


Regards
Iain
The Chaparral 2E didn't have an air brake, that is a proper downforce generating wing mounted directly to the rear suspension uprights. The car was a 2 speed Auto, so you used the clutch foot to alter the angle of attack of the wing, flat for the straights, higher angle of attack for downforce through the corners. You can see it in action here http://www.canamfilm.com/


chevronb37

6,471 posts

188 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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johnfelstead said:
chevronb37 said:
johnfelstead said:
chevronb37 said:
BRM P351. Developed at the end of Group C. It failed to qualify for Le Mans in Wayne Taylor's hands, was powered by a development of the Weslake V12 which Dan Gurney used in 1966 and 1967!
Dan's GT40 was a V8, not a V12. wink
This was the V12 from the Eagle Weslake Grand Prix car, not the GT40 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Mk1
AH, sorry, my brain doesn't do single seaters. winkbiggrin
No worries, mate. My brain isn't what it used to be either. I love threads like this which introduce you to new cars, or ones which had disappeared into the mists of time.

As well as the 2E, which raced in Can Am, Jim Hall also campaigned the 2F in European events and Phil Hill claimed his last ever international sportscar victory in one at te Brands Hatch BOAC 500 in 1967; beating a certain J Y Stewart in a Ferrari 330P4 into second place in the process. I had to write in to C & S C magazine to correct them on the results of that race a few months ago. They outlandishly claimed that Amon/Stewart won the race. They didn't so much as print it in their "Pedant of the month" column, nor send me one of the smashing hats with the same caption. Gutted.