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ChrisW. said:
GTRene said:
Nurburgsingh said:
Bargain - I thought that would have got to £500K
This RS a bit higher km but not crazy, price now not bad, but I guess its going over 300k? ands in about 4h 30 min
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-porsche-911...
ah> TVR 3000M Conversion by Bornemann
No. 3 of 3 specimens that were once baked - once they were removed. A rocket for the road 1020KG and 367 Turbo PS. A gift for people who are special - especially purist lovers.
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...
ch3tman said:
Yellow491 said:
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Service history has no bearing on this car if you know your 993,the only essential thing i would replace is the flexy fuel lines front and back ,change all fluids,check brakes and get on and use it,or sadly store away for another period.
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Replace with which fuel lines please? Service history has no bearing on this car if you know your 993,the only essential thing i would replace is the flexy fuel lines front and back ,change all fluids,check brakes and get on and use it,or sadly store away for another period.
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is there a go-to supplier? It's always been on the to-do list given the age of the 993. Thanks in advance
.Buy from porsche,or dare i say it D911.
These pipes are now very old,brittle and suffer from the new fuel,i made all my mine from ptfe lined motorsport pipes and fittings,but its on a race car.The pipe than runs across the top of the engine from one fuel rail to the other particularly suffers as heat from the engine etc.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-9...
Very nice 964 for auction, as previewed by Chris Harris in the video above.
Looks great with square wing mirrors and D90 wheels.
Only shame is it’s a C4 and not a C2, and Grand Prix white with black interior would be
ideal spec imho…..but still, this looks good and has King Hussain of Jordan provenance.
Incidentally Chris Harris makes reference at the end of the video to the fact some people think he’s
turned Arthur Daley- which may be reference to the sheepskin coat posted on this thread quite recently.
I don’t think anyone would begrudge Mr Harris trying to flog cars on the CC auction site - it’s just best to keep things straight and not ham it up too much-for example in a recent video repeatedly saying a 993 RS has been well looked after when it’s been serviced once in 16 years.
Very nice 964 for auction, as previewed by Chris Harris in the video above.
Looks great with square wing mirrors and D90 wheels.
Only shame is it’s a C4 and not a C2, and Grand Prix white with black interior would be
ideal spec imho…..but still, this looks good and has King Hussain of Jordan provenance.
Incidentally Chris Harris makes reference at the end of the video to the fact some people think he’s
turned Arthur Daley- which may be reference to the sheepskin coat posted on this thread quite recently.
I don’t think anyone would begrudge Mr Harris trying to flog cars on the CC auction site - it’s just best to keep things straight and not ham it up too much-for example in a recent video repeatedly saying a 993 RS has been well looked after when it’s been serviced once in 16 years.
donutskidmark said:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-9...
Very nice 964 for auction, as previewed by Chris Harris in the video above.
Looks great with square wing mirrors and D90 wheels.
Only shame is it’s a C4 and not a C2, and Grand Prix white with black interior would be
ideal spec imho…..but still, this looks good and has King Hussain of Jordan provenance.
Incidentally Chris Harris makes reference at the end of the video to the fact some people think he’s
turned Arthur Daley- which may be reference to the sheepskin coat posted on this thread quite recently.
I don’t think anyone would begrudge Mr Harris trying to flog cars on the CC auction site - it’s just best to keep things straight and not ham it up too much-for example in a recent video repeatedly saying a 993 RS has been well looked after when it’s been serviced once in 16 years.
Those aren’t D90’s, and they’re definitely not “the original look” because to the best of my knowledge, they weren’t standard fitment on the 964 (they look like 928 wheels) Very nice 964 for auction, as previewed by Chris Harris in the video above.
Looks great with square wing mirrors and D90 wheels.
Only shame is it’s a C4 and not a C2, and Grand Prix white with black interior would be
ideal spec imho…..but still, this looks good and has King Hussain of Jordan provenance.
Incidentally Chris Harris makes reference at the end of the video to the fact some people think he’s
turned Arthur Daley- which may be reference to the sheepskin coat posted on this thread quite recently.
I don’t think anyone would begrudge Mr Harris trying to flog cars on the CC auction site - it’s just best to keep things straight and not ham it up too much-for example in a recent video repeatedly saying a 993 RS has been well looked after when it’s been serviced once in 16 years.
Even Arfur would have known that …
Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 8th March 21:38
With stone-aged tyres - I don't know why anyone would want a car that's sat around in storage for 20 years, started every 6 months and thrashed around the nearby roads by not-the-owner. So it once belonged to someone rich who never drove it? Meh.
Another car destined for a gilded cage. So sad.
And re-ArthurDaley - why not turn to being a car-salesman? Many entertainers/sportspeople/celebrities turn to alternate income streams as they pass their sell-by date.
(EFA - 'all' changed to 'many')
Another car destined for a gilded cage. So sad.
And re-ArthurDaley - why not turn to being a car-salesman? Many entertainers/sportspeople/celebrities turn to alternate income streams as they pass their sell-by date.
(EFA - 'all' changed to 'many')
Edited by Orangecurry on Saturday 9th March 10:59
I don’t think that anyone has a problem with someone using their status to promote products.
The huge problem with Chris Harris is that he was a trusted and respected car journalist, people would read and listen to his impartial reviews and use them for their own purchase and decision making.
He is now just saying ‘this car is great buy it” no matter what the car is and how awful it actually is.
As is being said on various other social media groups, he has sold his morals and is now a laughing stock of other ‘genuine’ journos.
The huge problem with Chris Harris is that he was a trusted and respected car journalist, people would read and listen to his impartial reviews and use them for their own purchase and decision making.
He is now just saying ‘this car is great buy it” no matter what the car is and how awful it actually is.
As is being said on various other social media groups, he has sold his morals and is now a laughing stock of other ‘genuine’ journos.
Whilst on a train the other day and a gentlemen next to me was watching one of his promotional videos, where he ‘bought’ a Ferrari Mondial from the website. One thing struck me in the video that the car felt so dangerous he had picked up a fire extinguisher for the drive and filming.
The description of the car from the actual advert makes it sound like a gem.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1988-ferrari-m...
This is bloody scary.
The description of the car from the actual advert makes it sound like a gem.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1988-ferrari-m...
This is bloody scary.
It's fairly obvious CC is not selling cars at anything like the rate it was a few months ago....so as someone with a vested interest in the success of the business Harris is using his "clout" to try and inject some momentum in to the business. I'd imagine the success of CC is financially worth rather more to Harris than his career as a journalist. He's doing what most people would do.
Obviously he's been quite vocal in the past about things like manufacturers preparing cars specifically for tests etc Which is to be applauded.
I think if those are the standards you set you need to carry them through in what you do yourself or the companies you represent. You can't have it both ways.
Moral high ground and all that.
Obviously he's been quite vocal in the past about things like manufacturers preparing cars specifically for tests etc Which is to be applauded.
I think if those are the standards you set you need to carry them through in what you do yourself or the companies you represent. You can't have it both ways.
Moral high ground and all that.
Drclarke said:
I don’t think that anyone has a problem with someone using their status to promote products.
The huge problem with Chris Harris is that he was a trusted and respected car journalist, people would read and listen to his impartial reviews and use them for their own purchase and decision making.
He is now just saying ‘this car is great buy it” no matter what the car is and how awful it actually is.
As is being said on various other social media groups, he has sold his morals and is now a laughing stock of other ‘genuine’ journos.
This ^ The huge problem with Chris Harris is that he was a trusted and respected car journalist, people would read and listen to his impartial reviews and use them for their own purchase and decision making.
He is now just saying ‘this car is great buy it” no matter what the car is and how awful it actually is.
As is being said on various other social media groups, he has sold his morals and is now a laughing stock of other ‘genuine’ journos.
Harris increasingly defensive behaviour (not specifically in relation to the Arthur Daley jibes) is bizarre, though I have to say in this instance, I have NO issue with him becoming the sales mouthpiece for Collecting Cars, because as you’ve rightly said, it’s his journalistic integrity he’s flushing down the toilet, and his alone.
He clearly has an agreement with Mr Lovett/Collecting Cars to publicise upcoming lots, and that’s fine.
What I do take issue with, is the manner in which he chooses to “sell” cars to potential bidders, hence my post on the previous page of this thread, because like you, I find it cringeworthy.
I’d suggest the Swiss Toni approach might work better …
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iBw-aEixWuo
Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 9th March 13:28
Drclarke said:
Whilst on a train the other day and a gentlemen next to me was watching one of his promotional videos, where he ‘bought’ a Ferrari Mondial from the website. One thing struck me in the video that the car felt so dangerous he had picked up a fire extinguisher for the drive and filming.
The description of the car from the actual advert makes it sound like a gem.
hardly....The description of the car from the actual advert makes it sound like a gem.
ad copy said:
There is also a minor oil leak noted
Second gear does not engage until the gearbox is warm
The seller notes that the petrol filler flap’s solenoid is inoperable, so at the moment it must be opened manually through the engine bay.
The air-conditioning system has also been decommissioned
The electrically retractable radio antenna is not functioning.
Minor bubbling along the bottom of driver’s door, stone chips on the nose and a small spot of rust beneath the boot lid
Personally - i think its fair play to use Harris' media clout to get an audience for the listings on CC through YT content etc.Second gear does not engage until the gearbox is warm
The seller notes that the petrol filler flap’s solenoid is inoperable, so at the moment it must be opened manually through the engine bay.
The air-conditioning system has also been decommissioned
The electrically retractable radio antenna is not functioning.
Minor bubbling along the bottom of driver’s door, stone chips on the nose and a small spot of rust beneath the boot lid
Anyone who thinks any form of percieved 'celeb endorsement' gives and iron clad credentials to old metal will always be sorely mistaked..
do your own homework etc.
BERGS2 said:
Personally - i think its fair play to use Harris' media clout to get an audience for the listings on CC through YT content etc.
Anyone who thinks any form of percieved 'celeb endorsement' gives and iron clad credentials to old metal will always be sorely mistaked..
do your own homework etc.
Absolute tosh.Anyone who thinks any form of percieved 'celeb endorsement' gives and iron clad credentials to old metal will always be sorely mistaked..
do your own homework etc.
He was saying I’m on the video that there was a real risk of a fire. A unsuspecting buyer could have thrown their life savings into that car and in no small part that ‘the fella off the tele who knows his cars’ is promoting it.
The Mondial is no doubt one of hundreds that unsuspecting people have bought via the website and have had their dreams pulled from under them with no comeback.
Slippydiff said:
This ^
Harris increasingly defensive behaviour (not specifically in relation to the Arthur Daley jibes) is bizarre, though I have to say in this instance, I have NO issue with him becoming the sales mouthpiece for Collecting Cars, because as you’ve rightly said, it’s his journalistic integrity he’s flushing down the toilet, and his alone.
He clearly has an agreement with Mr Lovett/Collecting Cars to publicise upcoming lots, and that’s fine.
What I do take issue with, is the manner in which he chooses to “sell” cars to potential bidders, hence my post on the previous page of this thread, because like you, I find it cringeworthy.
I’d suggest the Swiss Toni approach might work better …
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iBw-aEixWuo
With regards to Mr Harris’s defensive behaviour- I recall reading on his Instagram some time ago one of his followers made some criticism of a post Harris made, nothing serious at all, but Harris took real umbrage and absolutely slaughtered the bloke online for daring to criticise him. Harris increasingly defensive behaviour (not specifically in relation to the Arthur Daley jibes) is bizarre, though I have to say in this instance, I have NO issue with him becoming the sales mouthpiece for Collecting Cars, because as you’ve rightly said, it’s his journalistic integrity he’s flushing down the toilet, and his alone.
He clearly has an agreement with Mr Lovett/Collecting Cars to publicise upcoming lots, and that’s fine.
What I do take issue with, is the manner in which he chooses to “sell” cars to potential bidders, hence my post on the previous page of this thread, because like you, I find it cringeworthy.
I’d suggest the Swiss Toni approach might work better …
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iBw-aEixWuo
Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 9th March 13:28
Not long after he did a interview and mentioned he’d had therapy to deal with all the abuse he’d had with doing Top Gear etc -
It really struck me how some folk can consider themselves a victim whilst also being an aggressor at the same time.
If as a ‘celebrity’ you are of the temperament that simply a negative response from a follower on social media immediately elicits an aggressive retort from yourself maybe it’s best to avoid the online platforms and try to relax a bit more.
donutskidmark said:
With regards to Mr Harris’s defensive behaviour- I recall reading on his Instagram some time ago one of his followers made some criticism of a post Harris made, nothing serious at all, but Harris took real umbrage and absolutely slaughtered the bloke online for daring to criticise him.
Not long after he did a interview and mentioned he’d had therapy to deal with all the abuse he’d had with doing Top Gear etc -
It really struck me how some folk can consider themselves a victim whilst also being an aggressor at the same time.
If as a ‘celebrity’ you are of the temperament that simply a negative response from a follower on social media immediately elicits an aggressive retort from yourself maybe it’s best to avoid the online platforms and try to relax a bit more.
His chat with Jonny Smith on the Late Brake show was “illuminating” …Not long after he did a interview and mentioned he’d had therapy to deal with all the abuse he’d had with doing Top Gear etc -
It really struck me how some folk can consider themselves a victim whilst also being an aggressor at the same time.
If as a ‘celebrity’ you are of the temperament that simply a negative response from a follower on social media immediately elicits an aggressive retort from yourself maybe it’s best to avoid the online platforms and try to relax a bit more.
Slippydiff said:
donutskidmark said:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-9...
Very nice 964 for auction, as previewed by Chris Harris in the video above.
Looks great with square wing mirrors and D90 wheels.
Only shame is it’s a C4 and not a C2, and Grand Prix white with black interior would be
ideal spec imho…..but still, this looks good and has King Hussain of Jordan provenance.
Incidentally Chris Harris makes reference at the end of the video to the fact some people think he’s
turned Arthur Daley- which may be reference to the sheepskin coat posted on this thread quite recently.
I don’t think anyone would begrudge Mr Harris trying to flog cars on the CC auction site - it’s just best to keep things straight and not ham it up too much-for example in a recent video repeatedly saying a 993 RS has been well looked after when it’s been serviced once in 16 years.
Those aren’t D90’s, and they’re definitely not “the original look” because to the best of my knowledge, they weren’t standard fitment on the 964 (they look like 928 wheels) Very nice 964 for auction, as previewed by Chris Harris in the video above.
Looks great with square wing mirrors and D90 wheels.
Only shame is it’s a C4 and not a C2, and Grand Prix white with black interior would be
ideal spec imho…..but still, this looks good and has King Hussain of Jordan provenance.
Incidentally Chris Harris makes reference at the end of the video to the fact some people think he’s
turned Arthur Daley- which may be reference to the sheepskin coat posted on this thread quite recently.
I don’t think anyone would begrudge Mr Harris trying to flog cars on the CC auction site - it’s just best to keep things straight and not ham it up too much-for example in a recent video repeatedly saying a 993 RS has been well looked after when it’s been serviced once in 16 years.
Even Arfur would have known that …
Why not be honest and point out some areas to address? A car that's not moved for 20yrs, it's not unreasonable to highlight that some light commissioning may be required despite the fact most buyers should know. Let's have some balance. Provenancing the King of Jordan ownership with GDPR will be interesting, even though it's value in Arthur Daley speak "is not worth a carrot".
I've mentioned it before (and got b
ked with posts redacted by PH Towers) that CC is a bit like the Emperor's new clothes', when it started the professional presentation of the cars, the web site design pulled punters in that would buy a car over the internet and not even do any due diligence until after they'd bought it - or at least paid their fees to CC and thereafter sorted the purchase (or not) directly with the seller. Out of all those sold there will be a percentage who will have bought blind and been disappointed, much like Bullseye where you go for the star prize only to win a speedboat when you live in a flat in the inner city.CC needs Harris as much as he needs them for the income now as his TV work has evaporated. That said I'd probably do the same if I needed the income.
Armitage.Shanks said:
Slippydiff said:
donutskidmark said:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1989-porsche-9...
Very nice 964 for auction, as previewed by Chris Harris in the video above.
Looks great with square wing mirrors and D90 wheels.
Only shame is it’s a C4 and not a C2, and Grand Prix white with black interior would be
ideal spec imho…..but still, this looks good and has King Hussain of Jordan provenance.
Incidentally Chris Harris makes reference at the end of the video to the fact some people think he’s
turned Arthur Daley- which may be reference to the sheepskin coat posted on this thread quite recently.
I don’t think anyone would begrudge Mr Harris trying to flog cars on the CC auction site - it’s just best to keep things straight and not ham it up too much-for example in a recent video repeatedly saying a 993 RS has been well looked after when it’s been serviced once in 16 years.
Those aren’t D90’s, and they’re definitely not “the original look” because to the best of my knowledge, they weren’t standard fitment on the 964 (they look like 928 wheels) Very nice 964 for auction, as previewed by Chris Harris in the video above.
Looks great with square wing mirrors and D90 wheels.
Only shame is it’s a C4 and not a C2, and Grand Prix white with black interior would be
ideal spec imho…..but still, this looks good and has King Hussain of Jordan provenance.
Incidentally Chris Harris makes reference at the end of the video to the fact some people think he’s
turned Arthur Daley- which may be reference to the sheepskin coat posted on this thread quite recently.
I don’t think anyone would begrudge Mr Harris trying to flog cars on the CC auction site - it’s just best to keep things straight and not ham it up too much-for example in a recent video repeatedly saying a 993 RS has been well looked after when it’s been serviced once in 16 years.
Even Arfur would have known that …
Why not be honest and point out some areas to address? A car that's not moved for 20yrs, it's not unreasonable to highlight that some light commissioning may be required despite the fact most buyers should know. Let's have some balance. Provenancing the King of Jordan ownership with GDPR will be interesting, even though it's value in Arthur Daley speak "is not worth a carrot".
I've mentioned it before (and got b
ked with posts redacted by PH Towers) that CC is a bit like the Emperor's new clothes', when it started the professional presentation of the cars, the web site design pulled punters in that would buy a car over the internet and not even do any due diligence until after they'd bought it - or at least paid their fees to CC and thereafter sorted the purchase (or not) directly with the seller. Out of all those sold there will be a percentage who will have bought blind and been disappointed, much like Bullseye where you go for the star prize only to win a speedboat when you live in a flat in the inner city.CC needs Harris as much as he needs them for the income now as his TV work has evaporated. That said I'd probably do the same if I needed the income.
Even though it was a minter, it was an awful car then and put me right of the marque until I bought a 992 GTS cab for my other half last year which tbf is a pretty decent car.
Cannot fathom that individuals shall pay this amount for one of these.
Wheelspinning said:
I had one of these 25 years ago.
Even though it was a minter, it was an awful car then and put me right of the marque until I bought a 992 GTS cab for my other half last year which tbf is a pretty decent car.
Cannot fathom that individuals shall pay this amount for one of these.
I think the 964 is peak 911 for a lot of people. It's always been a lovely thing to look at and has aged beautifully. It's quite old school, before the character of the car was forever changed. Even the lovely 993 is a bit bland alongside, especially where they reduced the 'cannons' at the front.Even though it was a minter, it was an awful car then and put me right of the marque until I bought a 992 GTS cab for my other half last year which tbf is a pretty decent car.
Cannot fathom that individuals shall pay this amount for one of these.
I did quite a few miles in a 964 C2 in the early 90s. I'd love one now, but they are well out of reach these days.
paulguitar said:
I think the 964 is peak 911 for a lot of people. It's always been a lovely thing to look at and has aged beautifully. It's quite old school, before the character of the car was forever changed. Even the lovely 993 is a bit bland alongside, especially where they reduced the 'cannons' at the front.
I did quite a few miles in a 964 C2 in the early 90s. I'd love one now, but they are well out of reach these days.
This ^I did quite a few miles in a 964 C2 in the early 90s. I'd love one now, but they are well out of reach these days.
As for “Arthur’s ” suggestion that it’s the best 964 in the world, a quick look around Thomas Schmitz’s emporium would tend to indicate otherwise :
http://www.germansportscars.net/en/porsche-964-rs-...
Personally I think the 993 is without doubt a more reliable and better made car than a 964.
However the 964 is without doubt a better looking design and more engaging to drive.
I’ve had a 993 C2 manual coupe for 12 years and my first impressions were not great regarding
handling, rather than a sports car it felt like a fairly numb boring GT cruiser, not very engaging at all.
I took it to Centre Gravity and asked them to make it handle/steer more responsive and ‘go kart’ like,
which they did, and I’ve now had a decade driving it and I’ve loved every minute.
I’ll never sell it.
I also had a 964 a few years back but could not stomach the financial burden of sorting out all the issues it had, oil leaks, electrics etc so I sold it for £31k to a dealer making myself a nice profit I was happy with.
The car was subsequently sorted out mechanically etc and sold on for £75,000 a year or two later!
Regarding the Collecting Cars 964 - I suppose it’s a nice curiosity having King Hussain Of Jordan on the paperwork, but it ain’t going to make me bid more for a car, I mean, it ain’t like having Steve McQueen on the V5.
Lots of cars are ex Sultan of Brunei which to me just indicates they sat in an underground carpark getting dusty.
I’ve bought several cars from CC and sold a few too. Never had a problem. The cars were well described and exactly as I expected them to be.
The low miles 964 is just that, a low miles 964. As slippy says, there are much better 964’s out there. But if you are specifically looking for a low miler coupe with no other criteria (C2, Non sunroof etc) then I can see why it may be attractive.
Until recently I owned 993 (3.8 RSR spec) and a 964 (RS spec plus a little). Dynamically the 993 is a little sharper as it is fully rose joined whereas the 964 is only partially. However, that and the additional torque and power of the 993 aside, there is very little between the two cars. The 993 is certainly no major leap forward. Of the two, I much prefer driving the 964 hence recently selling my 993 through JZM who did an excellent job. Despite what Mr Harris would no doubt prefer, it was not a car that I would have sold through CC.
The low miles 964 is just that, a low miles 964. As slippy says, there are much better 964’s out there. But if you are specifically looking for a low miler coupe with no other criteria (C2, Non sunroof etc) then I can see why it may be attractive.
Until recently I owned 993 (3.8 RSR spec) and a 964 (RS spec plus a little). Dynamically the 993 is a little sharper as it is fully rose joined whereas the 964 is only partially. However, that and the additional torque and power of the 993 aside, there is very little between the two cars. The 993 is certainly no major leap forward. Of the two, I much prefer driving the 964 hence recently selling my 993 through JZM who did an excellent job. Despite what Mr Harris would no doubt prefer, it was not a car that I would have sold through CC.
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