VW 1.4 TSI Oil Consumption

VW 1.4 TSI Oil Consumption

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huwp

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Wednesday 30th March 2011
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Covered 4250 miles from new and used 2 1/2 litres. Should I be concerned? Car is the Polo GTI 1.4 180.

huwp

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Thursday 31st March 2011
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I agree it is a lot.

Possible causes? Would the main culprit be piston rings or might there be other causes (blocked oil breather?)? The car is not dropping oil.

huwp

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Friday 1st April 2011
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The dealer is telling me that, as the manual says consumption is up to a litre per 1200 miles, it is "in tolerance". This was followed by some twaddle that by 6,000 miles (only another 1500 to go) it will have settled down. I told him I thought he was talking rubbish as the consumption is constant i.e. not getting any better.

I will run it to 6,000 and if it is still using oil at the present rate will start to really jump up and down.

Is giving it a thrash really going to help?

Thoughts on whether an independent inspection would help?

huwp

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Friday 1st April 2011
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Pumaracing said:
What type of oil are you using in it? If it's on synthetic before running the bores in properly it might never do so. I'd be tempted to put a mineral oil in, give it some hard use for a while and see if it improves before going back to synthetic. If it's already too late then a rehone and new rings ought to allow it to run in again properly unless there's some basic design fault with those pistons and rings.
I'm toping-up with the same synthetic oil that the car came with.

I have written to the Dealer Principal locally where the car gets serviced expressing my refusal to be fobbed-off. I have also copied-in the dealer who sold the car having bought through an internet based broker.

I may ring the service manager of the original dealer to see if he things the local dealer is pulling my chain.


huwp

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Friday 1st April 2011
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Pumaracing said:
There's your problem then. Do as I suggested previously. Read this.

http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/runin.htm
Is it too late now that the car has done circa 4500 miles?

huwp

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Sunday 22nd January 2012
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CatScan said:
Has the OP got any updates from the last few months? I've just bought a Fabia VRs with 6500 on the clock and want to keep an eye on how people are getting on with this issue...
Apologies for only now coming back to this thread.

Ultimately my engine was replaced at about 5,000 miles.

I did have the devil's own job with VW over it.

The oil light first came on at 1,700 miles and from then the consumption just kept getting worse.

VW's initial response was one of indifference, almost as if they disbelieved how much oil I was putting in.

Then they made me do a test over 1,000 miles starting with the oil at the max level on the dipstick. At the end of the test they only topped it up to the 3/4 point (top of the shaded/hatched part) of the dipstick. As a result it was just in tollerance to them. I then demanded a re-test. This was done on the basis of the weight of oil used over 60 miles and a conversion done to measure usage by fluid volume.

That showed the consumption at a little over a litre per 600 miles. VW finally accepted a fault.

Then we had a battle over what constituted a proper "fix". VW wanted to strip the engine. The local dealership service manager however was telling me that the only reasonable solution was to replace the engine. Clearly I wanted the latter. Many weeks went by until I threatened proceedings and that I would subpoena the local service manager to give evidence on my behalf.

Finally, VW caved in and the engine was replaced.

I have negotiated a years extention to the warranty as goodwill on VW's part.

I don't want to wash too much more dirty laundry in public so if anyone wants any further info you will need to email me.

It does seem though that some sort of campaign should be started, perhaps with peoples local Trading Standards officers in the first instance as I suspect I will be far from the last person to have the problem get this bad.

It also doesn't fill me with confidence about keeping the car beyond the (albeit extended) warranty.

huwp

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Tuesday 24th January 2012
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I should add that when the consumption on mine was at it's worse I noticed the following:

The engine oil went very black very quickly;
I was getting sooty deposits all over the back of the car. As it's white it was very apparent; and
When stationary and in neutral the car wouldn't rev beyond 3,000 revs. No idea why that would be?

My new engine has done about 8,000 miles. It did 5,000 miles to take it to it's first service and used very little to no oil. In the last 3,000 miles it has used about 200 ml.

huwp

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Sunday 5th February 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
im getting a little concerned about our car

had 1 ltr at 5500 miles and yesterday needed another ltr at 6500 miles ....

my r32 didnt need any oil in the first 10k miles ..
Have you had the car from new i.e. Is that 1 ltr in the whole of the first 5,500 miles then 1 ltr in the last 1000 miles? If so I would be monitoring the car very carefully and probably making sure that the dealership log it on their system as a likely fault. If you have a helpful dealer they might do a consumption test now. At least the problem is so well documented now that VW can't deny the problem with these engines as they tried doing with mine a year ago.

If you want to discuss how I dealt with VW then feel free to email me.


Huw

huwp

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Monday 6th February 2012
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packman10_4 said:
But your using sort life oil lol , i look after around 15 vw,s i put 10/40 semi in them and half the oil change time change at 6k.

try that i bet it wont use half of that !!!
Not much use if you're within the warranty period though.....

huwp

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Thursday 9th February 2012
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CatScan said:
Using a different grade oil voids the warrenty though, and I don't fancy giving up 2 years of free fixes on the car.
Booked it into the local dealership for tomorrow, they're going to do some tests on it and see if they can spot a problem. 1.4 litres gone in 1000 miles just isn't right.
That's about as bad as mine was. The dealer was quick to acknowledge that such a level of consumption was unacceptable.

I finally got satisfaction by threatening that I would get an independent report and then sue (my profession helps) and seek disclosure of all complaints made to VW throughout the domestic and european market. VW know that this would reveal a significant issue with the engine.

I also told them that I would subpoena the local service manager to give evidence against VW UK. He was of the view that the only reasonable fix was a new engine on what was effectively a new car with a defect from time of sale.

VW will fob you off for as long as they think they can get away with it (see it from their standpoint - why wouldn't you) but will capitulate in the end.

They must be concerned about a judgement against them. That can then be reported in the press, both general and motoring, and may trigger a very very expensive recall.

Get tough with VW UK then you'll get a reasonable outcome.

huwp

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Sunday 19th February 2012
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DutchWhizzMan said:
Try the "sale of goods" act. VW promises a proper car that will be compliant to EU mandated emissions regulations. With that amount of oil consumption, there is no way they can meet EU emissions standards. Also, the oil consumption levels that they state are "acceptable" are not for new cars, but for determination if a rebuild engine is required on a "worn" car. 10 years and/or 100.000 miles is how long a car should last, more or less. If a brand new car already has an engine that is worn so much that it's close to rebuild time, they did not sell the car with an engine that will last 100.000 miles or 10 years. Sale of goods then gives you plenty of rights to have them fix it, whether the factory claims it's still within limits or not.
And if outside the strict tme limits for rejection then there is always breach of contract/warranty.