Vanquish Gen 2 advice
Discussion
Riccardino said:
josh bear said:
Hi,
Can also recommend the Rapide S. I had 2 of them over the years. Great for family days out. Usable boot for weekends away and fabulous to drive as well
Josh
Do not reawake the Rapide thingy!!Can also recommend the Rapide S. I had 2 of them over the years. Great for family days out. Usable boot for weekends away and fabulous to drive as well
Josh
I really love also the Rapide and the convenience of the 4 seats would be a big plus but the Vanquish ...
Josh
GG33 said:
Disagree with Aventaors post. I think it depends on your expectations and individual taste. I have owned 83 cars over the years, including several Porsches, Ferrari etc. My 2015 is the best (for me) so far. I cant think of anything I would replace it with unless money were no object.
I would go for the 8 speed as it is notably better than the six speed. I think the S is somewhat over valued but is rarer. Upu can make the non S sound better with a secondary decat and it releases a few more HP's. As has been said already, buy the best you can afford.
I think you’re right, I've never dreamt of owning an Aston whereas many others have, its all a bit rich coming from a Lamborghini owner, a car of which i overlook lots of dynamic flaws..I would go for the 8 speed as it is notably better than the six speed. I think the S is somewhat over valued but is rarer. Upu can make the non S sound better with a secondary decat and it releases a few more HP's. As has been said already, buy the best you can afford.
Edited by GG33 on Wednesday 4th January 10:20
I restrained from calling it a bad car as its not, just disappointing as i thought it’d be really good reading everything (inc. Journos) about the car, so maybe (as you say) expectations and no real desire to own one, clouded the experience.
I only bought because the SVJ i tested was way too harsh but i really wanted to scratch the V12 itch, should have tested the softer Aventador first!
Another thing, as someone else compared to the GTC, was the fact that we also run an S63 Cabriolet and that as a Sports GT is unbeatable at this job (if badge means less to you) even better than the latest Bentley GTC which i also tested before buying.
josh bear said:
I went from Vantage to DB9.2 so that I could take my small children out in it but they got bigger! (Who knew ) But I knew that family days out in an Aston were special to me which is why I went to the Rapide S and then another one (Shadow edition). The 2 Rapides gave me and the family many happy memories. In 2019 I saw a Vanquish S for sale with only 3K miles on the clock and I knew I wanted it. The kids were 20 and 18 by then so Family days out were rare anyway. None of this is to say that the Vanquish is not right for you. It is a beautiful car and at this time I have no intention of letting mine go until I can't drive any more. . (Some more Rapide photos below just to make life hard for you).
Josh
Thank you for making my choice more difficult. My daughter is 12 so still coming with us sometimes!!!Josh
Aventador 700 said:
I think you’re right, I've never dreamt of owning an Aston whereas many others have, its all a bit rich coming from a Lamborghini owner, a car of which i overlook lots of dynamic flaws..
I restrained from calling it a bad car as its not, just disappointing as i thought it’d be really good reading everything (inc. Journos) about the car, so maybe (as you say) expectations and no real desire to own one, clouded the experience.
I only bought because the SVJ i tested was way too harsh but i really wanted to scratch the V12 itch, should have tested the softer Aventador first!
Another thing, as someone else compared to the GTC, was the fact that we also run an S63 Cabriolet and that as a Sports GT is unbeatable at this job (if badge means less to you) even better than the latest Bentley GTC which i also tested before buying.
Thank you also for the negative comments as I want to here all thingsI restrained from calling it a bad car as its not, just disappointing as i thought it’d be really good reading everything (inc. Journos) about the car, so maybe (as you say) expectations and no real desire to own one, clouded the experience.
I only bought because the SVJ i tested was way too harsh but i really wanted to scratch the V12 itch, should have tested the softer Aventador first!
Another thing, as someone else compared to the GTC, was the fact that we also run an S63 Cabriolet and that as a Sports GT is unbeatable at this job (if badge means less to you) even better than the latest Bentley GTC which i also tested before buying.
To be fair I really do not see somebody interested in an Aventador choosing an Aston Instead which is probably why ultimately you were disappointed!. Really too completely different spirits!! (and I am telling this as somebody who actually love both brands)
Riccardino said:
Aventador 700 said:
I think you’re right, I've never dreamt of owning an Aston whereas many others have, its all a bit rich coming from a Lamborghini owner, a car of which i overlook lots of dynamic flaws..
I restrained from calling it a bad car as its not, just disappointing as i thought it’d be really good reading everything (inc. Journos) about the car, so maybe (as you say) expectations and no real desire to own one, clouded the experience.
I only bought because the SVJ i tested was way too harsh but i really wanted to scratch the V12 itch, should have tested the softer Aventador first!
Another thing, as someone else compared to the GTC, was the fact that we also run an S63 Cabriolet and that as a Sports GT is unbeatable at this job (if badge means less to you) even better than the latest Bentley GTC which i also tested before buying.
Thank you also for the negative comments as I want to here all thingsI restrained from calling it a bad car as its not, just disappointing as i thought it’d be really good reading everything (inc. Journos) about the car, so maybe (as you say) expectations and no real desire to own one, clouded the experience.
I only bought because the SVJ i tested was way too harsh but i really wanted to scratch the V12 itch, should have tested the softer Aventador first!
Another thing, as someone else compared to the GTC, was the fact that we also run an S63 Cabriolet and that as a Sports GT is unbeatable at this job (if badge means less to you) even better than the latest Bentley GTC which i also tested before buying.
To be fair I really do not see somebody interested in an Aventador choosing an Aston Instead which is probably why ultimately you were disappointed!. Really too completely different spirits!! (and I am telling this as somebody who actually love both brands)
Though it wasnt bought on the understanding it would replace an SVJ, I made no comparison with the SVJ, it was for the V12 alone which i understood to be glorious (and in some ways it was)
But i think it was very fair to compare with the other GTs i had (have) at the time, they were an AMG GTC Roadster & the AMG S63 Cabriolet, both of which were leagues ahead of the Aston, both of which had the 4.0tt that Aston now use funnily enough.
I get why people like the Vanquish S because I like my Aventador with an equal passion, there’s something old school about both of them which is lost in newer cars, its just that ‘old’ feeling works for me on a supercar but less so on a GT car.
One thing i will say, the comments around its beauty are never ending, park it amidst an array of exotica and lots more people will stand by the Aston for its beauty, doesnt have the same wow as other cars or put as big a smile on peoples faces but the respect its beauty demands is quite strange, mostly women and kids were attracted to it strangely, i parked in Puerto Banus Marina with mine one night and the amount and type of attention it attracted was bizarre, almost no interest from guys, nearly all women and kids, which is probably the bond effect which i really dont like personally.
The amount of front overhang on the S (combined with the splitter) is comically bad for scraping btw, my 720 & AV are nothing like as bad, even before you use the lift.
On reflection I think the non S would be the better buy, no splitter and the rear looks less fussy, would need the quicksilver quad exhaust though as the std pipes look unfinished imo.
Good luck with it
I think they are the best modern Aston. I realise that it is all subjective though.
Best looks, best engine (most developed), best sound (don't listen to an S if you aren't able to stretch to one as the exhaust will make you want one), best interior.
The late S cars have everything that I want in a car (I have an Ultimate S Coupe).
I had a non-S Volante before that was a disaster. The engine had a really difficult to diagnose fault - it spent 4 months out of the 12 that I owned it in the dealer and they never sorted it. The infotainment borked as well. I suspect that it hadn't been driven enough (1,000 miles in 12 months before I bought it).
The S has been faultless and the infotainment has not misbehaved (and has CarPlay).
Best looks, best engine (most developed), best sound (don't listen to an S if you aren't able to stretch to one as the exhaust will make you want one), best interior.
The late S cars have everything that I want in a car (I have an Ultimate S Coupe).
I had a non-S Volante before that was a disaster. The engine had a really difficult to diagnose fault - it spent 4 months out of the 12 that I owned it in the dealer and they never sorted it. The infotainment borked as well. I suspect that it hadn't been driven enough (1,000 miles in 12 months before I bought it).
The S has been faultless and the infotainment has not misbehaved (and has CarPlay).
AstonZagato said:
I think they are the best modern Aston. I realise that it is all subjective though.
Best looks, best engine (most developed), best sound (don't listen to an S if you aren't able to stretch to one as the exhaust will make you want one), best interior.
The late S cars have everything that I want in a car (I have an Ultimate S Coupe).
I had a non-S Volante before that was a disaster. The engine had a really difficult to diagnose fault - it spent 4 months out of the 12 that I owned it in the dealer and they never sorted it. The infotainment borked as well. I suspect that it hadn't been driven enough (1,000 miles in 12 months before I bought it).
The S has been faultless and the infotainment has not misbehaved (and has CarPlay).
Thank you even if your experience with the non S is scaryBest looks, best engine (most developed), best sound (don't listen to an S if you aren't able to stretch to one as the exhaust will make you want one), best interior.
The late S cars have everything that I want in a car (I have an Ultimate S Coupe).
I had a non-S Volante before that was a disaster. The engine had a really difficult to diagnose fault - it spent 4 months out of the 12 that I owned it in the dealer and they never sorted it. The infotainment borked as well. I suspect that it hadn't been driven enough (1,000 miles in 12 months before I bought it).
The S has been faultless and the infotainment has not misbehaved (and has CarPlay).
Riccardino said:
AstonZagato said:
I think they are the best modern Aston. I realise that it is all subjective though.
Best looks, best engine (most developed), best sound (don't listen to an S if you aren't able to stretch to one as the exhaust will make you want one), best interior.
The late S cars have everything that I want in a car (I have an Ultimate S Coupe).
I had a non-S Volante before that was a disaster. The engine had a really difficult to diagnose fault - it spent 4 months out of the 12 that I owned it in the dealer and they never sorted it. The infotainment borked as well. I suspect that it hadn't been driven enough (1,000 miles in 12 months before I bought it).
The S has been faultless and the infotainment has not misbehaved (and has CarPlay).
Thank you even if your experience with the non S is scaryBest looks, best engine (most developed), best sound (don't listen to an S if you aren't able to stretch to one as the exhaust will make you want one), best interior.
The late S cars have everything that I want in a car (I have an Ultimate S Coupe).
I had a non-S Volante before that was a disaster. The engine had a really difficult to diagnose fault - it spent 4 months out of the 12 that I owned it in the dealer and they never sorted it. The infotainment borked as well. I suspect that it hadn't been driven enough (1,000 miles in 12 months before I bought it).
The S has been faultless and the infotainment has not misbehaved (and has CarPlay).
I think these cars need to be used reasonably. That non-S car did 1,000 miles in the first year and over ⅓ of that was apparently driving it home from the dealer when he bought it and back again when he sold it. I do about 3k a year which seems to enough to keep everything ticking over. Covid means my Ultimate is a little behind that - but it's been bullet-proof [touch wood]. That non-S has been the only one of my seven Astons that was a nightmare. Everything else has been just fine.
Hi all,
I am in the same boat looking for a Gen 2 Vanquish. As you can tell by my user name I have a Gen 1 that has 12,800 miles on it and while it drives lovely (for a 20 year old car) I just want something a little more modern that I can use more regularly. When I say regularly I mean at all, I’ve done less than 600 miles in 6 years, time for it to go!
I actually viewed a couple yesterday including a relatively cheap one at Sydney in Tamworth but it was a really low spec and crucially the brake discs looked really pitted and pretty sure they needed replacing, the other one I viewed the discs were smooth like class. When I spoke to the sales guy he really didn’t know what he was on about with the car and basically told me they had bought it cheap off an Aston dealer to pass on, no wonder the Aston dealer let it go cheap….I hope some poor sod doesn’t get stitched up with a £15k brake bill after thinking he/she has got a bargain…..
Simon
I am in the same boat looking for a Gen 2 Vanquish. As you can tell by my user name I have a Gen 1 that has 12,800 miles on it and while it drives lovely (for a 20 year old car) I just want something a little more modern that I can use more regularly. When I say regularly I mean at all, I’ve done less than 600 miles in 6 years, time for it to go!
I actually viewed a couple yesterday including a relatively cheap one at Sydney in Tamworth but it was a really low spec and crucially the brake discs looked really pitted and pretty sure they needed replacing, the other one I viewed the discs were smooth like class. When I spoke to the sales guy he really didn’t know what he was on about with the car and basically told me they had bought it cheap off an Aston dealer to pass on, no wonder the Aston dealer let it go cheap….I hope some poor sod doesn’t get stitched up with a £15k brake bill after thinking he/she has got a bargain…..
Simon
Sorry Aventador I can not agree with you. I have had a Vanquish 2 for 4 years and have had Ferraris ( 360m, 355gts,testerossa,mondial, 308gt4 365gt4, Porsche Turbo, Maserati Biturbo, Maserati Cambiocorsa, Aston Db6, Aston Db9 Jaguar xjs v 12, Alfa gtv 1600,1750,2000,and spider.
Of all these cars there are only 3 that stand out, 355gts, Aston db6 and the Vanquish 2.
Sound wise it is superb, comfort great, not too many buttons, reliability great, handling excellent for a big car, looks sublime , carries more than an overnight bag, fuel economy not too bad , acceleration excellent, brakes fantastic , sound system great. No sticky buttons , crappy carpet, crazy seats.
I am sure you were just stirring the pot with your comments.
Of all these cars there are only 3 that stand out, 355gts, Aston db6 and the Vanquish 2.
Sound wise it is superb, comfort great, not too many buttons, reliability great, handling excellent for a big car, looks sublime , carries more than an overnight bag, fuel economy not too bad , acceleration excellent, brakes fantastic , sound system great. No sticky buttons , crappy carpet, crazy seats.
I am sure you were just stirring the pot with your comments.
Astontony said:
Sorry Aventador I can not agree with you. I have had a Vanquish 2 for 4 years and have had Ferraris ( 360m, 355gts,testerossa,mondial, 308gt4 365gt4, Porsche Turbo, Maserati Biturbo, Maserati Cambiocorsa, Aston Db6, Aston Db9 Jaguar xjs v 12, Alfa gtv 1600,1750,2000,and spider.
Of all these cars there are only 3 that stand out, 355gts, Aston db6 and the Vanquish 2.
Sound wise it is superb, comfort great, not too many buttons, reliability great, handling excellent for a big car, looks sublime , carries more than an overnight bag, fuel economy not too bad , acceleration excellent, brakes fantastic , sound system great. No sticky buttons , crappy carpet, crazy seats.
I am sure you were just stirring the pot with your comments.
Maybe read again not pot stirring at all, i just thought it was worse than its competitiors of the its same manufacture time frame, if you compare it (as you have) with historic cars, then of course it stands up, a few of the cars you mention have also had a place in my history and i would agree. Of all these cars there are only 3 that stand out, 355gts, Aston db6 and the Vanquish 2.
Sound wise it is superb, comfort great, not too many buttons, reliability great, handling excellent for a big car, looks sublime , carries more than an overnight bag, fuel economy not too bad , acceleration excellent, brakes fantastic , sound system great. No sticky buttons , crappy carpet, crazy seats.
I am sure you were just stirring the pot with your comments.
As i said, not a bad car and considering its the cheapest V12 of that era? 2017-2019? Thinking about it, its probably the best budget V12 money can buy, bit like the Aventador as thats the cheapest mid engined V12 supercar money can buy
‘If’ the V12 is your driving factor and you find people have a little more money, they tend to opt for F12, 812, W12 (tho not V12)
Certainly not stirring though my friend just dont think the car is ‘that’ good vs its counterparts and i took the time to explain why, if you dont agree then great, i’m glad you’re enjoying your car, enough to feel compelled to explain why, good for you
Funnily my experience hasnt put me off Aston but this time i’m quite happy to go with their 4.0tt V8 mercedes offering, mainly due to my lack of love for their V12 but also the merc V8 i have in 2 of my cars and its a very good V8, certainly better than my Mclaren offering.. so my deposit hand is wavering over the new Vantage Roadster but yet to see it..
Kerniki said:
Thinking about it, its probably the best budget V12 money can buy, bit like the Aventador as thats the cheapest mid engined V12 supercar money can buy
[b]
‘If’ the V12 is your driving factor and you find people have a little more money, they tend to opt for F12, 812, W12 (tho not V12)[/b]
The Vanquish isn’t without it’s flaws but I must admit, I find it slightly to suggest that if people had more money they wouldn’t choose one. [b]
‘If’ the V12 is your driving factor and you find people have a little more money, they tend to opt for F12, 812, W12 (tho not V12)[/b]
I know a few owners, myself included, who would regard Ferrari as akin to the Rolex of the supercar world (insofar as they arguably represent the obvious choice) and would prefer not to drive one and/or value the other characteristics of the Vanquish.
That isn’t to say that Ferrari make a bad car, which would be a nonsensical suggestion, but people often get to a point where they buy what they’d prefer even if they could spend more. Indeed, to understand the general sentiment of the AM owners, you only have to look at how unconcerned folk on this forum are that AM isn’t in the supercar section of PH.
LooneyTunes said:
Kerniki said:
Thinking about it, its probably the best budget V12 money can buy, bit like the Aventador as thats the cheapest mid engined V12 supercar money can buy
[b]
‘If’ the V12 is your driving factor and you find people have a little more money, they tend to opt for F12, 812, W12 (tho not V12)[/b]
The Vanquish isn’t without it’s flaws but I must admit, I find it slightly to suggest that if people had more money they wouldn’t choose one. [b]
‘If’ the V12 is your driving factor and you find people have a little more money, they tend to opt for F12, 812, W12 (tho not V12)[/b]
I know a few owners, myself included, who would regard Ferrari as akin to the Rolex of the supercar world (insofar as they arguably represent the obvious choice) and would prefer not to drive one and/or value the other characteristics of the Vanquish.
That isn’t to say that Ferrari make a bad car, which would be a nonsensical suggestion, but people often get to a point where they buy what they’d prefer even if they could spend more. Indeed, to understand the general sentiment of the AM owners, you only have to look at how unconcerned folk on this forum are that AM isn’t in the supercar section of PH.
Everyone is different,all are looking for something different or need to be told be journos ‘which’ is better, i like to own cars (100s of nothing but sports cars) and make up my own mind and understand why cars sit favourably and not so favourably with certain types, myself included, i understand the following the vanquish has for certain people and aston itself even, theres fanatical owners who wont have a bad thing said about whatever brand they drive, their lives tend to mimic this trait to.
i’m not that person, like yourself, I can own something and love it but need to be aware of it’s issues, if you love it all the same, then you know its right for you, how can you love something without being realistic about its flaws? you cant
Going back to the money comment though, if you removed the money equation altogether (which is how many people with excess money view these kind of purchases anyway) offer joe public with little knowledge of cars; the V12 Vanquish or an F12 free of charge and running costs, most will pick the Ferrari imo, not myself funnily, as even as disappointing as the vanquish was, i’d still have it over the ferrari.
If the ferrari is the rolex of the car world, then aston are the tvr of the supercar world, which i dont mind in the slightest, there’s an understated element to the brand that really sits well with me and why i’m looking to the new Vantage,
New Vanquish teased:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/aston-...
835PS, 1,000NM, V12 and not a battery in sight. Looks like the DB12 on steroids and with a proper Aston engine. Lovely!
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/aston-...
835PS, 1,000NM, V12 and not a battery in sight. Looks like the DB12 on steroids and with a proper Aston engine. Lovely!
Kerniki said:
LooneyTunes said:
Kerniki said:
Thinking about it, its probably the best budget V12 money can buy, bit like the Aventador as thats the cheapest mid engined V12 supercar money can buy
[b]
‘If’ the V12 is your driving factor and you find people have a little more money, they tend to opt for F12, 812, W12 (tho not V12)[/b]
The Vanquish isn’t without it’s flaws but I must admit, I find it slightly to suggest that if people had more money they wouldn’t choose one. [b]
‘If’ the V12 is your driving factor and you find people have a little more money, they tend to opt for F12, 812, W12 (tho not V12)[/b]
I know a few owners, myself included, who would regard Ferrari as akin to the Rolex of the supercar world (insofar as they arguably represent the obvious choice) and would prefer not to drive one and/or value the other characteristics of the Vanquish.
That isn’t to say that Ferrari make a bad car, which would be a nonsensical suggestion, but people often get to a point where they buy what they’d prefer even if they could spend more. Indeed, to understand the general sentiment of the AM owners, you only have to look at how unconcerned folk on this forum are that AM isn’t in the supercar section of PH.
Everyone is different,all are looking for something different or need to be told be journos ‘which’ is better, i like to own cars (100s of nothing but sports cars) and make up my own mind and understand why cars sit favourably and not so favourably with certain types, myself included, i understand the following the vanquish has for certain people and aston itself even, theres fanatical owners who wont have a bad thing said about whatever brand they drive, their lives tend to mimic this trait to.
i’m not that person, like yourself, I can own something and love it but need to be aware of it’s issues, if you love it all the same, then you know its right for you, how can you love something without being realistic about its flaws? you cant
Going back to the money comment though, if you removed the money equation altogether (which is how many people with excess money view these kind of purchases anyway) offer joe public with little knowledge of cars; the V12 Vanquish or an F12 free of charge and running costs, most will pick the Ferrari imo, not myself funnily, as even as disappointing as the vanquish was, i’d still have it over the ferrari.
If the ferrari is the rolex of the car world, then aston are the tvr of the supercar world, which i dont mind in the slightest, there’s an understated element to the brand that really sits well with me and why i’m looking to the new Vantage,
Interestingly, the cost to swap from DB11 to gen 2 Vanquish has broadly remained the same so it would still be an option, but these days I’d go for a superleggerra - those things are now representing fantastic value and with the announcement of an updated version of the turbo 5.2 V12 in the upcoming gen 3 Vanquish where they’ve added another 50hp and 100Nm with new turbos, even the DBS 770 will continue to drop.
Where I’d perhaps disagree is this characterising of Ferrari as the ‘Rolex’ of the car/supercar world and then AM as TVR. TVR???
While times change and ‘brands’ evolve and reposition as AM, led by their handbag salesman chairman are somewhat cynically attempting right now with what are basically just revised/facelifted versions of the previous product range with a much nicer interior.
Aside from the warm overs, the strategy seems to be underpinned by turning up the wick - a fair bit with the turbos, but cranking it to the absolute max with the marketing BS. While there’s no doubt the facelifted cars d do represent a substantive improvement, I’m not sure about all the hyperbole.
Before I’d have opined that Porsche are surely the Rolex of super cars. Precision made, expensive, high performance and known to all, but mass produced and relatively bland.
Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls, Aston, the old stalwarts, and the newer real players like McLaren, Pagani, Bugatti, Koeniggsegg, take your pick from the more exclusive hand built boutique players who often make high end movements in house - from the really high end for the Bugattis and Paganis of the world Patek, Vacheron, Audemars, Lange, through the likes of JLC, IWC,
Blancpain, Panerai, then Longines, Rolex, Omega etc. There’s quite a few more proud swiss watchmakers you’d get through before you get into the chintzy ‘fashion’ watches you see in high street shop windows, Gucci, Hermes, Chanel.
Sadly it seems that AML are transitioning from being equated with the likes of Jaeger Le Coultre to being more equated with Gucci. Let’s hope Mr Stroll is targeting being equated with the best of the fashion brands (as far as the watches go) - Cartier.
So… at the very least, the Gen 2 Vanq which OP wanted opinion on, is from a different era of AML, when it was, in the main, run by engineers from Dr Bez through to Dr Palmer. The VH cars while flawed and samey were still undeniably a family of beautiful supermodels with fantastic sounding n/a engines and lovely hydraulic steering.
If you are past needing to get everywhere at 200mph - I don’t see how you can go much wrong with any Gen 2 Vanq. It’s the final exquisite resolution of 20yrs of development of engine and 15yrs of chassis and is more than quick enough for most mortals. It produces (esp the S) probably the best noise of any car - and the pleasure one can get from just looking at it is more than worth the price…
Edited by Calinours on Wednesday 1st May 11:32
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