8k-10k budget, what can I expect?
8k-10k budget, what can I expect?
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D7PNY

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382 posts

189 months

Saturday 15th June 2013
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Currently selling my Westfield sprint/track day car and trailer in as I'm pooling my resources for a business opportunity.

I'm hoping to be back in the market for a weekend toy pretty quickly with a budget of say 8 - 10k.

Always wanted a tvr and a chimaera seems like a good way to pop my cherry so to speak.

Been to see a nice 4.0hc locally but unfortunately not in a position to buy just yet even though it was a lovely example.The wife would kill me if I turned up with another toy before selling the Westfield as with my business opportunity in the midst it would leave us a bit too close to the bone!

Only got a wee run in town so didn't get much for a feel for the speed of it but obviously feels a good bit slower than the Westfield but I expected that. Real world, how fast are they when you properly press the loud pedal?

Thinking behind a chimaera when I can get one is something a little more useable than the Westfield that I can still do the odd track day and sprint for a laugh.

I see that the tvr power figures are wildly optimistic and I'm not hung up on that but coming from a Westfield with about 330 bhp/tonne I would like something with a decent amount of oomph.

Would need to be fairly well sorted in the handling department as well and a loud exhaust would be fine as my Westfield isn't exactly quiet. How do they handle when pushing on a bit?

Has anyone else made a similar move?

FYI my other thoughts are Vauxhall vx220 turbo or supercharged n/a but I think a v8 would satisfy me more and I don't really fit in the vx/elise being 6ft 4.

Cheers,

Dave

Jonny cobra

615 posts

238 months

Saturday 15th June 2013
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I came from a cobra V8 to a 4ltr chim and love it , Go for it when in a better position you wont regret it >>>
JC..

D7PNY

Original Poster:

382 posts

189 months

Saturday 15th June 2013
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Should be in a position to do a swap straight away as think I have enough cash tucked away for the business side of things but need to be sure so I don't miss the opportunity.

I've read up on the various pitfalls with chassis etc and comfortable with that. My main concern is actually how they handle/go on track days etc but I figure at a little over a tonne and at least 230bhp (?) It should be lively enough.

8k preferably should get me a nice example surely?

Dave

Chilliman

12,328 posts

187 months

Saturday 15th June 2013
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8K should get you a good 4.0 but I'd thoroughly recommend that you get a specialist inspection, in the 8k price range you could easily get caught out with huge bills, especialy if buying privately. As for oomph, if you're used to a Westfield with 330 bhp/ton then any standard Chimaera, even a 500 won't give you the acceleration you're getting from the Westy..... that said, bhp isn't everything, it's the low down torque of the V8's that makes the experience special smile If you can, take one out for a proper blat before you buy... Give TVR Ecosse a call if they have one in stock you might get a test drive.... There are a few TVR owners in the Aberdeen area... I work in Aberdeen but live in Norfolk, I'd let you have a drive of mine if it was up there wink

D7PNY

Original Poster:

382 posts

189 months

Saturday 15th June 2013
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Thanks chillman.

Am I right in thinking that the single biggest worry is the chassis issues? Then after that just any 'normal' issues with buying second hand cars.

The worry is that it feels too slow but that's why I was thinking something completely different to the Westfield is the way to go so I don't draw too many comparisons. Like you say, the chimaera will be a different beast all together but should provide fun and thrills in a different way.

The Westfield isn't actually much fun on the road with no windscreen etc as unless you're flat out it's just annoying and you can't go flat out on the road obviously.

Cheers,

Dave

Chilliman

12,328 posts

187 months

Saturday 15th June 2013
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D7PNY said:
Thanks chillman.

Am I right in thinking that the single biggest worry is the chassis issues? Then after that just any 'normal' issues with buying second hand cars.

The worry is that it feels too slow but that's why I was thinking something completely different to the Westfield is the way to go so I don't draw too many comparisons. Like you say, the chimaera will be a different beast all together but should provide fun and thrills in a different way.

The Westfield isn't actually much fun on the road with no windscreen etc as unless you're flat out it's just annoying and you can't go flat out on the road obviously.

Cheers,

Dave
Hi Dave, yep chassis is the first biggy to look at. There's loads of threads on here about outrigger replacements etc, but you really don't want to be dealing with that in the first few years of ownership so buy carefully.... If you're looking at high mileage cars then service history (as with any other car) is essential. Cam ware is particularly relevant and a worn cam won't necessarily be obvious on a test drive... Coming from a Westy, and your experience of high performance cars, I'd suggest a 450 rather than a 400... although I'm sure others may disagree wink

Good luck and hope you find the right car smile

Chilli smile

tvrdavid

105 posts

222 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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I was in a similar position to you last week and got a year 2000 450 from a dealer near London. Paid under 10K for a car with a very solid looking chassis and perfect bodywork/interior and very comprehensive SH. Agree with previous comments re importance of outriggers AND CAM - I gave mine as thorough a test drive as possible (in an urban area) but have found since it probably lacks a bit of top end grunt for a 450, so may need to look at top end rebuild etc in future. Having said that I have absolutely no regrets and I would heartily recommend any chim 400/450/500 - this is my 3rd and hopefully a keeper (altough I keep saying this!).

Edited by tvrdavid on Sunday 16th June 10:07

sheel

696 posts

249 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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Hi, I came from a Cossie Westy, chipped to 270bhp, completely different animals, I bought a 2000 450, at least the wife will go in it!!!, Westy handling will see a chimp off,but get into higher speeds and the chimp is better imo, there is far more of a sense of occasion in the Chimp and its more useable weather wise.
As others say buy the best you can and imo try and get the 450
Rich

D7PNY

Original Poster:

382 posts

189 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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Thanks guys. Outriggers easy enough to have a poke about and check for condition etc I guess.
Re. The cams...is there any logic to when they wear out or any signs that are obvious?

I don't want to be pulling the car to pieces after I get it and spending money on it.

Cheers,

Dave

D7PNY

Original Poster:

382 posts

189 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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Thanks guys. Outriggers easy enough to have a poke about and check for condition etc I guess.
Re. The cams...is there any logic to when they wear out or any signs that are obvious?

I don't want to be pulling the car to pieces after I get it and spending money on it.

Cheers,

Dave

Grey Ghost

4,608 posts

246 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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D7PNY said:
Re. The cams...is there any logic to when they wear out or any signs that are obvious?
There have been a couple of threads on here recently about cams and how to tell if they are worn. One test suggested is to see how far the engine will rev when fully warmed up. With a cam in good/useable condition the engine should rev up to 5500, or more if enhanced in some way biggrin , and the power delivery and pull of the engine should be smooth and continuous.



ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

205 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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D7PNY said:
Thanks guys. Outriggers easy enough to have a poke about and check for condition etc I guess.Dave
Sadly not, the body has channels to accommodate the outriggers, what you can see is not what rots.

The areas that corrode first are in the corners between the body & the outriggers themselves, road debris is thrown up by the tyres & deposited in the corners where it gets trapped promoting corrosion.

The upper radius of the outrigger tubes also corrode, you absolutely can not effectively see either the corners or the upper radius of the outrigger tubes with the body in place.

Whatever corrosion you can see from below with the body on should be considered significantly worse in these hidden areas.

Beware the Waxoiled car too, it may give the impression the car is well loved but it should be viewed with equal suspicion, it's all too easy to create a good cared for appearance on a rotten chassis with a quick & cheap application of a rustproofing wax.

I would prefer to see an honest untreated chassis than one covered in wax or underseal, you just won't know what's underneath.

The real solution to all this is to buy a Chimaera that's had the outriggers replaced already, all these cars are getting on in years, if the outriggers haven't been addressed already you need to budget £1500. - £2,000 to have it done properly.

A Chimaera with the outriggers done will probably only be worth £1000 more than one that will need it doing in a couple of years, so buying one with it done will not only buy you immediate peace of mind but will immediately save you money too.


D7PNY said:
Re. The cams...is there any logic to when they wear out or any signs that are obvious?Dave
Again, sadly not.

The cams definitely wear prematurely, the problem you face is identifying it when you inspect the car.

The Rover V8 has hydraulic followers that do an excellent job of disguising cam wear, it's a tricky one.

Like the outriggers the only real way to be sure the cam is healthy is to buy a car that's had it replaced reasonably recently.

A cam, followers & timing set will cost you anything from £800 - £1200 to have them replaced by a professional, but may add as little as £300 -£500 to the price of the car.

D7PNY said:
I don't want to be pulling the car to pieces after I get it and spending money on it.Dave
All of this may sound a bit doom & gloom, but please don't let it put you off what is an amazing car.

In my opinion you need to view a Chimaera as you would a classic car, it just happens to be one you can use in a modern way, it's an extremely competent grand tourer with a good turn of speed.

It has all the old school charm you could ever want & provides a huge sense of occasion every time you dive it.

Above all a Chimaera is massively undervalued in today's market place.

But if you really want to bag yourself the very best value Chimaera, buy one a that's had the cam & outriggers done already.

It will likely cost you only £1000 - £1500 more, but could easily save you as much as £2,000 - £3,000 over the next three years.

Hot1

402 posts

224 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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This makes for an interesting read! I am in the position of viewing a very original chimaera a 97 with 25k a good service history dry stored for the last 7 years! The chassis has been given a clean bit of health! I am undecided weather I would be better off with a higher mileage car that has had the cam and outriggers replaced hmm!!

D7PNY

Original Poster:

382 posts

189 months

Sunday 16th June 2013
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Thanks guys, really helpful stuff.

Sheel...your experience is particularly useful knowing that you've come from something similar.

Being able to head away in the car for a weekend etc with the wife would be nice which simply isn't an option at the moment with the Westfield as the wife hates it.

I like the idea of getting one that's had the engine work done and a chassis with a clean bill of health.Certainly not in a hurry so will bide my time for the right car.

Cheers,

Dave

Andy JB

1,321 posts

245 months

Monday 17th June 2013
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I had a Westfield - so go for the 500 IMO to ensure you are left with a smile

Handling can be improved greatly without huge budget but it won't be to Caterfield standards but they are different cars & still very capable

Andy JB

1,321 posts

245 months

Monday 17th June 2013
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I had a Westfield - so go for the 500 IMO to ensure you are left with a smile

Handling can be improved greatly without huge budget but it won't be to Caterfield standards but they are different cars & still very capable

GinG15

501 posts

197 months

Monday 17th June 2013
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you can expect i freshly rebuilt, body-off and powdercoated chassis, rebuilt suspension with freshly powdercoated parts, polybushed all around, new quality (alloy) shocks, new nuts and bolts all around, new camshaft, new clutch, decent interior, new roof, freshly powdercoated alloys with new quality tyres with correct speed index. a body with some stonecips but in good condition. full working electrics, 400HC engine.

and this should cost not more than 6800,- from a private seller!!

sounds too low? the car is parking at my mate (neighbour) and the seller tried to sell it since 3 months on the well known www car sales pages



Edited by GinG15 on Monday 17th June 20:06

D7PNY

Original Poster:

382 posts

189 months

Monday 17th June 2013
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Sounds very interesting and with all the worrying bits taken care off, rather cheap to what I've seen so far.

Still got to sell my car anyway.

Cheers,

Dave

Hot1

402 posts

224 months

Monday 17th June 2013
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Edited by GinG15 on Monday 17th June 20:13

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Could you pm me i would be very interested as I am in the market!!

StarmistBlue400

3,081 posts

244 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
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Have you seen this, looks very nice.

http://www.tvr-car-club.co.uk/classifieds/classifi...