Range Rovers becoming uninsurable in London?
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Louis Balfour said:
Why hasn't Land Rover done something like that?
Probably because every standard fitted security device, fitted in the same way to all vehicles such as the existing LR Tracker, is easily found and/or disrupted. It’s the same for all marques.Whether we like it or not, retro fitting additional security using independent installers is more of a challenge for thieves, especially if they aren’t expecting it to be there. So it’s down to the owner to decide if they want to spend £500 (less than their excess) to provide better security to their £100k RR. This has always been the case.
I have pretty much added extra security to all my cars over the past 30+ years. It’s a personal choice to either accept the limitations of the factory fitted security or improve it. As I said, it’s a no brainier for anyone who wants a better chance of keeping their vehicle especially at the moment when there is little consequence for thieves to carry on stealing vehicles.
Have you fitted any additional security to your L405 which appears to be the main target for FFRR thieves due to the weakness of the factory fitted security? If not, why not? Just interested.
Louis Balfour said:
Phil. said:
tescorank said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer. djc206 said:
Louis Balfour said:
Phil. said:
tescorank said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer. Louis Balfour said:
djc206 said:
Louis Balfour said:
Phil. said:
tescorank said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer. I haven’t read much about the updates but I believe there was something related to the BCM. JLR also reminded owners to use Guardian Mode, I’m not entirely sure what that does to be quite honest but it sounds like it should also help prevent or at least detect such attempts.
Honestherbert said:
Just got a l322 4.4tdv8 and have insured it for £361. 70 with wife as named driver. Cambs postcode parked offroad both 40 years old with clean licenses. Must have been lucky? Comp sites had 3-4 insurers under £400 and then varying from 900is-5k.
Older models like the L322 aren't affected by this – it's newer models with keyless entry that are being hit with big insurance costs.Phil. said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer.
This. Picked up new Velar today - straight to the fitter on Saturday for a Pandora. (Can't be bothered with the faff of the Ghost PIN - much prefer the Pandora tag).
For £600 it's worth it for the peace of mind. The Pandora anti-hijack is also a nice touch.
Was mentioned in the CEO’s PR thing on Friday, according to Autocar:
“The firm will soon expand that programme to pre-2018 cars, and it will eventually cover 450,000 vehicles, although Mardell acknowledged that speed of delivery was an issue, because many of the cars included are onto second or third owners.”
“The firm will soon expand that programme to pre-2018 cars, and it will eventually cover 450,000 vehicles, although Mardell acknowledged that speed of delivery was an issue, because many of the cars included are onto second or third owners.”
djc206 said:
Louis Balfour said:
djc206 said:
Louis Balfour said:
Phil. said:
tescorank said:
Fit a Ghost or similar to avoid this type of theft. At c.£500 fitted it’s a no brainer. I haven’t read much about the updates but I believe there was something related to the BCM. JLR also reminded owners to use Guardian Mode, I’m not entirely sure what that does to be quite honest but it sounds like it should also help prevent or at least detect such attempts.
NomduJour said:
… and for other old cars where you need a key code for the RFID chip. Changed with later stuff, and certainly didn’t and doesn’t stop 996s being nicked.
Unsurprisingly, where there’s a demand for replacement keys, the market provides (for pretty much any car you can think of).
Great, please provide a source for 986/996 keys then - there are thousands of these cars on the roads with 20 year olds keys with transponders that are at the end of their life and stop working. No one I know has come up with any alternative but jumping through the hoops with Porsche and paying them £300 for the opportunity.Unsurprisingly, where there’s a demand for replacement keys, the market provides (for pretty much any car you can think of).
You can get blank key blades and the plastic key fobs for peanuts from the usual places, but try getting the actual transponder and chip and it's "Porsche only, sir".
There are even outfits that can repair the PCBs in the key head, but no-one can actually give you a full replacement key that can be coded to the car.
https://911uk.com/threads/replacement-key-any-alte...
As I said, similar is true for other old cars (eg P38 Range Rovers - lose both remotes and you’re off to the dealer). It plainly doesn’t mean they are magically theft proof, as you (constantly) seem to be suggesting.
As for new JLR keys - Google will give you hundreds of options for new facsimile fobs (and for every other manufacturer).
As for new JLR keys - Google will give you hundreds of options for new facsimile fobs (and for every other manufacturer).
NomduJour said:
As I said, similar is true for other old cars (eg P38 Range Rovers - lose both remotes and you’re off to the dealer). It plainly doesn’t mean they are magically theft proof, as you (constantly) seem to be suggesting.
As for new JLR keys - Google will give you hundreds of options for new facsimile fobs (and for every other manufacturer).
I've never said they're theft proof, that is plainly idiotic.As for new JLR keys - Google will give you hundreds of options for new facsimile fobs (and for every other manufacturer).
My point is that keyless theft (and being able to then drive the car) is next to impossible.
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