|
Derek Smith
Original Poster
16,023 posts
117 months
|
Who would have thought it? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/92017...I mean, apart from everyone. My old man said "Follow the van, And don't dilly dally on the way". Off went the van wiv me 'ome packed in it, I followed on wiv me old cock linnet. But I dillied and dallied, dallied and I dillied Lost me way and don't know where to roam. Well you can't trust a PCSO like the old time coppers When you can't find your way 'ome. It is, apparently, not so much the shape of things to come but the shape of things. What is rather irritting is Blunkett's protestations that PCSOs were never meant to replace warrant holders when we all know they were.
|
|
|
Elroy Blue
5,678 posts
61 months
|
Cameron's complete contempt for the Police along with 20% cuts means more of this to come. G4s are already building Police stations (and will be running them).
It's only going to get worse.
|
|
|
The Black Flash
4,254 posts
67 months
|
It's not a central government initiative though is it? So blaming Cameron (Much as I am no fan) doesn't really wash IMO. And as police chiefs are to become elected, someone can stand on a ticket opposing this, and get in easily, if it's unpopular (which I expect it will be).
|
|
|
Elroy Blue
5,678 posts
61 months
|
It's happening because Cameron has butchered Police budgets, along with the ulterior motive of privatising large parts of Policing.
|
|
|
rumple
2,501 posts
20 months
|
You can't tell me, when that tosspot blunkett introduced them no one saw this was the way it would go
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
F i F
18,365 posts
120 months
|
Next step, traffic enforcement from HATOs imo.
quoted for posterity at the time Blunderkitt brought in PCSO's
SMT bod, "There will never be a two tier police force"
Pah!
|
|
|
kwk
380 posts
47 months
|
With more and more time being spent on paperwork and updating incidents, and, now probably having to spend time in the gym getting fit in case they get sacked for failing fitness tests, what time have they got to go out anyway?
|
|
|
covboy
1,341 posts
43 months
|
Suggest people get to read “Wasting more Police Time” by “PC David Copperfield”
Just the foreward shows up the glaring differences found with the Police setup in the UK compared with the RCMP i.e. paperwork/fitness levels/Hands on approach from senior officers etc.
|
|
|
R32
283 posts
121 months
|
I must be the only one that thinks this is a good idea... unless I've misunderstood what "beat officer" means. My take on this is that the PCSO's provide the "visible, reassuring" policing in town centres and alike, and the proper bib are in cars (like "z cars" as I heard Blunket describe it) ready to deploy to response incidents as normal. On the face of it, that seems like a good idea to me. A bib on foot is pretty useless unless the incident is within a few hundred meters (ahem.. depending on fitness  ).
|
|
|
V8 Vum
2,525 posts
90 months
|
Why can't the POs go do the patrolling job, and the PCSOs stay in the office doing the paperwork?
That works for me.....far more sensible!
|
|
|
ExChrispy Porker
10,476 posts
97 months
|
This has been on the cards for years, and is practically already happening in some areas.
It won't be long before you will be arrested by a PCSO, interviewed and charged by an MCSO, a decision will be made by CPS over the phone, you will be detained by Group 4 or Reliance, and taken to court without ever seeing a Police Officer.
Oh and if really unlucky you will be banged up in a prison run by a private company!
I bet Cameron has wet dreams at night just considering this.
|
|
|
covboy
1,341 posts
43 months
|
A worrying aspect.
I notice from a lot of these stories of people being stopped and questioned about taking photographs in public places seem to involve PCSO’s. With the resultant arguments etc that ensue stemming from the fact that they DO NOT know the law.
I can only see this type of confrontation escalating.
|
|
|
The Highway Man
1,812 posts
47 months
|
F i F said: Next step, traffic enforcement from HATOs imo. That's if we're still around. There's talks of our role being transferred to private companies.
|
|
|
streaky
18,227 posts
118 months
|
R32 said: ... PCSO's provide the "... reassuring" policing in town centres and alike ....  Streaky
|
|
|
streaky
18,227 posts
118 months
|
Derek - it doesn't scan well towards the end.  Streaky
|
|
|
mat777
2,979 posts
29 months
|
streaky said: R32 said: ... PCSO's provide the "... reassuring" policing in town centres and alike .... Streaky Exactly.. they are zero deterrent for crims as everyone knows they have sod-all powers
|
|
|
F i F
18,365 posts
120 months
|
The Highway Man said: F i F said: Next step, traffic enforcement from HATOs imo. That's if we're still around. There's talks of our role being transferred to private companies. How is that going to work then? Realise you don't have the answer just a comment really. Old story if someone is doing it for profit they'll be more efficient, usual hollyhocks. I despair frankly. By the way, are you lot still on a restricted patrol mileage in order to reduce costs? Every time I've called in Hopwood Park M42 or Beaconsfield M40 lately there have been a couple of units just sitting there.
|
|
|
R32
283 posts
121 months
|
mat777 said: streaky said: R32 said: ... PCSO's provide the "... reassuring" policing in town centres and alike .... Streaky Exactly.. they are zero deterrent for crims as everyone knows they have sod-all powers I know that, but for some reason neighbourhood groups seem to want to see police "on the beat", and its something politicians keep saying they want too. From an operational standpoint it seems daft to have proper bib restricted to one location on foot, so if they can reassure the public (the ones who don't know their lack of effectiveness...) with cheaper pcso's then fair enuf?
|
|
|
Sgt Bilko
1,544 posts
84 months
|
F i F said: Next step, traffic enforcement from HATOs imo. Haha. No chance.
|
|
|
Caulkhead
4,938 posts
26 months
|
Elroy Blue said: It's happening because Cameron has butchered Police budgets, along with the ulterior motive of privatising large parts of Policing. Intent and motive are very important considerations in police work are they not? When it comes to butchered police budgets, which of the following do you think are most likely Cameron's intent and motive: A)He hates the police. B)We're broke.
|
|
