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otolith

19,379 posts

73 months

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RemyMartin said:
When I've seized alcohol in the past, I've poured it down the drain in front of said person. You say draconian but unfortunately it's not fair for a few idiots to spoil the day for the rest. So everyone has to pay the price. If people behaved, s13 orders wouldn't be placed, they are their for a reason.
By indiscriminately seizing alcohol, are the police not ensuring in advance that the day is spoiled for the rest?

10 Pence Short

27,610 posts

86 months

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otolith said:
By indiscriminately seizing alcohol, are the police not ensuring in advance that the day is spoiled for the rest?
They're not allowed to indiscriminately seize it. First there must be a reasonable belief that the person is or has been drinking in the area or intends to drink in it.

Honestherbert

305 posts

16 months

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10 Pence Short said:
They're not allowed to indiscriminately seize it. First there must be a reasonable belief that the person is or has been drinking in the area or intends to drink in it.
Here in lies the obvious problem though, as the OP has stated that they are simply taking ANY alcohol fron anyone getting of the train.

10 Pence Short

27,610 posts

86 months

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That is the impression his post gives, though I doubt that from his vantage point he could see everybody passing through the station or, in any case, whether or not everybody he could see was in fact carrying alcohol or even stopped by officers, and beyond then, given opportunity to provide an explanation regards the alcohol they may be carrying and be party to the decision made by the officer dealing with it.

The OP perhaps got the impression that all alcohol from all people was being seized, but that doesn't necessarily make it so.

streaky

18,235 posts

118 months

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The vendors selling Champers along the riverbank, and the local publicans will be happy bunnies. In addition to the command ranks in TVP wink .

Expect to see more of this during the Olympics, plus jobsworths insisting you can't take Pepsi Cola into the stadia.

Streaky
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otolith

19,379 posts

73 months

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I am beginning to wonder if Vonhosen and Ten Pence Short are aware that they have exchanged logins wink

It would appear that what the OP described seeing is not consistent with the legislation. Could be he's mistaken, but I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Crossflow Kid

4,625 posts

60 months

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10 Pence Short said:
otolith said:
By indiscriminately seizing alcohol, are the police not ensuring in advance that the day is spoiled for the rest?
They're not allowed to indiscriminately seize it. First there must be a reasonable belief that the person is or has been drinking in the area or intends to drink in it.
Errrr.......and why else would they be taking it to an open-air sporting social event?

10 Pence Short

27,610 posts

86 months

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Crossflow Kid said:
10 Pence Short said:
otolith said:
By indiscriminately seizing alcohol, are the police not ensuring in advance that the day is spoiled for the rest?
They're not allowed to indiscriminately seize it. First there must be a reasonable belief that the person is or has been drinking in the area or intends to drink in it.
Errrr.......and why else would they be taking it to an open-air sporting social event?
What areas are covered by the DPPO? It may be that the area around the regatta does not form part of the DPPO, or that areas by the river or designated for visitors in relation to the regatta may be licensed under the Licensing Act and only form part of the DPPO when the licensed hours are not in operation. In which case, people would be perfectly entitled to pass through the DPPO carrying alcohol in order to drink it in an area not covered by it.

streaky

18,235 posts

118 months

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Crossflow Kid said:
10 Pence Short said:
otolith said:
By indiscriminately seizing alcohol, are the police not ensuring in advance that the day is spoiled for the rest?
They're not allowed to indiscriminately seize it. First there must be a reasonable belief that the person is or has been drinking in the area or intends to drink in it.
Errrr.......and why else would they be taking it to an open-air sporting social event?
For others to drink, of course. wink

Streaky

speedyguy

1,468 posts

72 months

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Crossflow Kid said:
Errrr.......and why else would they be taking it to an open-air sporting social event?
Because when they leave the shops are closed ? smile

I still feel like a 'criminal' 10 years after visiting Padstow after drinking a can of cider in a designated no drinking zone while eating a pastie at the harbour ( ok I'm a chav smile)

Sometimes/most times this country is too overregulated for it's own good.

Edited by speedyguy on Sunday 1st July 00:08

Syd knee

347 posts

74 months

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RemyMartin said:
When I've seized alcohol in the past, I've poured it down the drain in front of said person. You say draconian but unfortunately it's not fair for a few idiots to spoil the day for the rest. So everyone has to pay the price. If people behaved, s13 orders wouldn't be placed, they are their for a reason.
Are the enviroment agency aware of such activities, they are for rain water only, ignorance of the law is no excuse, sir.

Pistonwot

413 posts

28 months

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Syd knee said:
RemyMartin said:
When I've seized alcohol in the past, I've poured it down the drain in front of said person. You say draconian but unfortunately it's not fair for a few idiots to spoil the day for the rest. So everyone has to pay the price. If people behaved, s13 orders wouldn't be placed, they are their for a reason.
Are the enviroment agency aware of such activities, they are for rain water only, ignorance of the law is no excuse, sir.
Not ignorant but a few other words spring to mind for this type of shameless skullduggery by the BIB.
Where is the ignorance in devising a cash grab system that is so convoluted the Police can and really do just make it up as they go, eh?
Its a stroke of decietful genious, its worth Billions to the Police as well as Government and its clear most decent people never stood a chance.
Its perfect for them.

XCP

10,486 posts

97 months

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Please explain how it is worth 'billions' to the police ?

Breadvan72

10,227 posts

32 months

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That must be those tinfoil billions. Having said that, confiscation of unopened bottles from people just arriving at the regatta sounds like an abuse of police power.

XCP

10,486 posts

97 months

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Depends on the circumstances I guess.

10 Pence Short

27,610 posts

86 months

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My understanding is that to seize it (and dispose as they see fit), they would first need reasonable belief that it was going to be drunk in the Designated Public Place. Simply walking off the train in your finery with a bag full of plonk would not in itself lend itself to reasonable belief, in my eyes.

Breadvan72

10,227 posts

32 months

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I agree. When I go to the regatta, I drive and park up by the start line. We often have a bottle or two in the car. I drink softies but others neck the fizz. It is absurd to take bottles off people arriving by train and heading for the river.

10 Pence Short

27,610 posts

86 months

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Breadvan72 said:
...When I go to the regatta...I drink softies...
Do those dahn sarf drink anything else? wink

Breadvan72

10,227 posts

32 months

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None of that frothy rubbish northern beer, thanks. Intravenous Bolly and Martinis, mostly, except when driving.

10 Pence Short

27,610 posts

86 months

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The OH was a keen dark blue rower and Henley aficionado. She has mentioned something about lashings of bubbly before but, being strictly Northern, I assumed she meant they were jesting with the aid of some Matey. Then the thought of nubile young things and bubble bath distracted me onto thinking of other things...
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