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VEA
Original Poster
1,777 posts
70 months
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Afternoon all, I have a question for those of you in the know. I am stuck in my office today, I happen to be right next to a train station in a town that has a rather well known rowing event happening this weekend. Now here is what is happening, the Police are here at the station, and they are stopping anyone getting off of the train with alcohol in bags and taking it off them. I have seen people with 4 or 5 bottles of champagne taken from them, I would be f  king fuming if this was me. My question is, what powers do the police have that allows them to do this, I could understand it if they were doing it at the top of the tow path to stop people taking booze down the river with them, but they are essentially not letting them into town with booze. Can anyone shed some light on this one for me?
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Defcon5
4,056 posts
60 months
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I would have said a DPPO was in place (I think you can do them on a temporary basis) but that would only apply to opened containers I think.
Seems a bit out of order - are people with Champagne really likely to be causing trouble later?
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carreauchompeur
10,656 posts
73 months
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That sounds somewhat draconian! My experience of the Regatta was a bunch of rowdy t ts though, so maybe the ends justify the means.
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VEA
Original Poster
1,777 posts
70 months
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carreauchompeur said: That sounds somewhat draconian! My experience of the Regatta was a bunch of rowdy t ts though, so maybe the ends justify the means. This is true, there are always some. They must have taken thousands of pounds of booze from people though. I understand the open containers, top stop people walking around drinking. You can hire picnic areas down the river, what about people going to those, are they saying that you are not allowed to take booze down there?
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agtlaw
1,471 posts
75 months
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VEA said: They must have taken thousands of pounds of booze from people though... that's the Thames Valley police Christmas party sorted then.
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10 Pence Short
27,633 posts
86 months
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VEA said: Afternoon all, I have a question for those of you in the know. I am stuck in my office today, I happen to be right next to a train station in a town that has a rather well known rowing event happening this weekend. Now here is what is happening, the Police are here at the station, and they are stopping anyone getting off of the train with alcohol in bags and taking it off them. I have seen people with 4 or 5 bottles of champagne taken from them, I would be f king fuming if this was me. My question is, what powers do the police have that allows them to do this, I could understand it if they were doing it at the top of the tow path to stop people taking booze down the river with them, but they are essentially not letting them into town with booze. Can anyone shed some light on this one for me? Section 13 of the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 allows Local Authorities to identify areas that have suffered alcohol related nuisance or disorder and put them under a Designated Public Place Order (DPPO). s12 of the Act allows a constable who has reasonable belief that a person is consuming or intends to consume alcohol in that designated public place to either stop consuming the alcohol, tell them not to or to seize it and dispose of it as they see fit.
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eldar
6,996 posts
65 months
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10 Pence Short said: Section 13 of the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 allows Local Authorities to identify areas that have suffered alcohol related nuisance or disorder and put them under a Designated Public Place Order (DPPO).
s12 of the Act allows a constable who has reasonable belief that a person is consuming or intends to consume alcohol in that designated public place to either stop consuming the alcohol, tell them not to or to seize it and dispose of it as they see fit. Nice little earner 
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10 Pence Short
27,633 posts
86 months
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eldar said: Nice little earner Is there any protection in SI or other regulations that prevents over zealous or vindictive Police Officers from simply seizing alcohol without warning first? My reading is that he cannot seize without first having reasonable belief, but how many people would know this and how many would follow it up later? Would it have been safer to put into the legislation that a constable must give a warning/requirement to stop first, then only seize once the person was actually seen drinking in contravention of that notice (as in effect happens with s59 vehicle seizures)? Ironically, at an event such as Henley, the value of the pop seized from an individual could be more than a vehicle seized under s59.
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agtlaw
1,471 posts
75 months
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Thames Valley Police said: Henley Regatta 2012 - update
30 June 2012, 12:41 pm
The police are preparing for crowds of people to come to Henley today today for what is expected to be the busiest day at Henley Royal Regatta.
Ch Insp Christian Bunt, commanding the policing operation, said: “I am very pleased with how the policing operation has gone so far and the crime and nunbers of arrests are lower than last year.
“Today is usually the busiest day for the regatta and we will continue to do all that we can to ensure that the day is safe and enjoyable for everyone.
“I would like to remind those attending the event today that they are expected to drink responsibly. There are additional officers on patrol and there is a Designated Public Place Order in place which means that the police will have the power to ask someone to stop drinking alcohol if they are behaving, or are likely to behave, in an anti-social way.
“The neighbourhood policing team is continuing to work hard, patrolling the area to to prevent and deter any incidents of trouble and hope to try and minimise any disruption to local residents which might be caused by the event.”
“ We will continue to use Twitter to provide you with regular updates about how the regatta is going, our policing operation and any information we think you might find informative, including details of train times and any traffic congestion.”
If you would like to speak to any of the neighbourhood policing team, contact the Thames Valley Police non-emergency number on101. In an emergency dial 999.
To receive regular updates about the regatta, follow us on Twitter, @TVPSouthandVale and TVP_Wokingham
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10 Pence Short
27,633 posts
86 months
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Thames Valley Police said: “I would like to remind those attending the event today that they are expected to drink responsibly. There are additional officers on patrol and there is a Designated Public Place Order in place which means that the police will have the power to ask someone to stop drinking alcohol if they are behaving, or are likely to behave, in an anti-social way. This seems a touch misleading, as it doesn't mention the power to seize (which I would imagine is not mentioned for reasons of PR). It also seem to put a further gloss on matters by suggesting there needs to be some element of actual or suspected anti-social behaviour for action to be taken. On one reading, you could argue it telegraphs the Police's sensible attitude, in appearing to avoid the perception of being heavy handed, yet on the other, it could harm people's perception of the Police if they instead choose to act to the letter of the law, contrary to what's suggested on their press release.
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Porkbrain
246 posts
106 months
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<<Ch Insp Christian Bunt, commanding the policing operation, said: “I am very pleased with how the policing operation has gone so far and the crime and nunbers of arrests are lower than last year.>> I wonder how many times he has had the Python's travel sketch quoted to him. 
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Pistonwot
413 posts
28 months
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eldar said: 10 Pence Short said: Section 13 of the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 allows Local Authorities to identify areas that have suffered alcohol related nuisance or disorder and put them under a Designated Public Place Order (DPPO).
s12 of the Act allows a constable who has reasonable belief that a person is consuming or intends to consume alcohol in that designated public place to either stop consuming the alcohol, tell them not to or to seize it and dispose of it as they see fit. Nice little earner +1 if its being taken wholesale from everyone who brought a drink along and not just the hooraays who cant handle their champers.
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deckster
2,117 posts
124 months
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Defcon5 said: I would have said a DPPO was in place (I think you can do them on a temporary basis) but that would only apply to opened containers I think.
Seems a bit out of order - are people with Champagne really likely to be causing trouble later? Obviously never had to share a train with a load of people coming out of Ascot or Henley then... (The answer's "Jesus christ, yes", by the way).
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Jagmanv12
484 posts
33 months
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agtlaw said: VEA said: They must have taken thousands of pounds of booze from people though... that's the Thames Valley police Christmas party sorted then. Anybody from TVP on here? If so let me know how many bottles you've got and I'll meet you with cash!! 
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DaveZT260
148 posts
18 months
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The easiest way to of found out what was going on would have been to wander over to the nasty policeman and ask him what he was doing rather than creating a thread on Pistonheads asking people to look into their crystal ball surely?
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DaveZT260
148 posts
18 months
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chr15b
2,878 posts
59 months
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What if you live in the area and are returning home with shopping?
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RemyMartin
1,041 posts
74 months
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When I've seized alcohol in the past, I've poured it down the drain in front of said person. You say draconian but unfortunately it's not fair for a few idiots to spoil the day for the rest. So everyone has to pay the price. If people behaved, s13 orders wouldn't be placed, they are their for a reason.
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RemyMartin
1,041 posts
74 months
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chr15b said: What if you live in the area and are returning home with shopping? The relevant radio checks would clarify this and it would be pretty obvious. Police aren't there to piss people off.
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eldar
6,996 posts
65 months
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RemyMartin said: The relevant radio checks would clarify this and it would be pretty obvious.
Police aren't there to piss people off. I see why you have that username
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