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Synchromesh
Original Poster
1,512 posts
35 months
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1) Is hi-vis needed for just the driver, or all passengers? I've seen conflicting advice on this.
2) The requirement for a breathalyser apparently won't be enforced until November - does that I'm totally safe from any fine/penalty without one until then?
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craigjm
2,230 posts
69 months
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1) all passengers and they must be in the car not in the boot
2) technically you need a breathalyser now but they will not be enforcing until later in the year as you say
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orangesrule
218 posts
17 months
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Pretty sure, there has to be a hi vis for each passenger in the car, with one hi vis in the cabin.
(better be safe than sorry).
Not 100% on the breathalyzer, but a group of us are travelling down to the Alps next week and arn't going to bother.
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Nigel Worc's
5,277 posts
57 months
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Supposed to have the hi viz, supposed to have the breath kit.
I have both, never bothered about where the hi viz is, and in many many many trips, I've never been checked anyway !
Make sure your sat nav doesn't have scamera warnings, that is supposed to be their latest pet hate, but again, I haven't been checked.
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agtlaw
1,461 posts
75 months
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1. 1x hi viz to be worn before exiting the vehicle.* 2. 1x breath test. Law now in force. Fines in force from November 1st (from memory) - according to the AA and RAC it's one; not one per occupant.
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Synchromesh
Original Poster
1,512 posts
35 months
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Synchromesh said: 1) Is hi-vis needed for just the driver, or all passengers? I've seen conflicting advice on this. craigjm said: 1) all passengers and they must be in the car not in the boot agtlaw said: 1. 1x hi viz to be worn before exiting the vehicle.* - according to the AA and RAC it's one; not one per occupant.
See what I mean. Does anyone have to the official French highway code equivalent which would have this explained definitively.
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Synchromesh
Original Poster
1,512 posts
35 months
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agtlaw said: 2. 1x breath test. Law now in force. Fines in force from November 1st (from memory) How?
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rwstokes
96 posts
13 months
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I only know this from a podcast from radio le mans talking about driving to the race, but they had some useful advice,
hi vis jackets- must be worn as soon as the door is open, so as mentioned above, in the back of the car, not the boot, and everyone out of the car must be wearing 1, so might as well keep them all in the car,
breathalyzers i believe doesn't come into effect into 1st october, but is advisory from first of july, so might as well.
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agtlaw
1,461 posts
75 months
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Synchromesh said: How? Décret no 2012-284 du 28 février 2012 relatif à la possession obligatoire d’un éthylotest par le conducteur d’un véhicule terrestre à moteur
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agtlaw
1,461 posts
75 months
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rwstokes said: everyone out of the car must be wearing.
breathalyzers i believe doesn't come into effect into 1st october, but is advisory from first of july, so might as well. The AA and RAC say otherwise. What's your authority for one per occupant? I've checked. Law now in force. Fine in force from 1st Nov. This is possibly the French law on hi vis: http://textes.droit.org/JORF/2008/10/04/0232/0004/My schoolboy French is a bit lacking.
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Synchromesh
Original Poster
1,512 posts
35 months
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So if I went to France without a breathalyser before November what's the worst that could happen?
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DaveZT260
145 posts
18 months
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A ticking off I presume. Think I can live with that....
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Efbe
4,862 posts
35 months
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is there a lower age limit for thehi viz vests?
we'll be travelling down in ugust with a 1yo, 4yo and 6yo
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randlemarcus
8,719 posts
100 months
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Might be as well to risk it on the UK side, and to visit a french supermarket on their side, where they are available for a couple of euros, without the UK side ripoff pricing.
On the SatNav question, I presume that is only speed camera warnings within France, rather than having to remove the UK ones too?
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mikef
1,379 posts
120 months
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agtlaw said: that says only the driver needs the hi-vis vest, but it must be reachable within the vehicle and worn when exiting the vehicle in emergency That's also what the police explained as they handed out free vests at the autoroute services on the day the law on vests came in
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Mill Wheel
4,989 posts
65 months
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agtlaw said: rwstokes said: everyone out of the car must be wearing.
breathalyzers i believe doesn't come into effect into 1st october, but is advisory from first of july, so might as well. The AA and RAC say otherwise. What's your authority for one per occupant? I've checked. Law now in force. Fine in force from 1st Nov. This is possibly the French law on hi vis: http://textes.droit.org/JORF/2008/10/04/0232/0004/My schoolboy French is a bit lacking. One reason for the confusion is that SPAIN insists on one per person, inside the car, AND at ferry ports, the scaremongering profiteering ferry port shops have posters up telling drivers that they need one for each person, as they hope to sell them to drivers who don't know any better. You don't need to wait until you get to the port. POUNDLAND had HiVis jackets for.... ONE POUND. They currently have universal bulb kits for a pound too! Breathalysers - lack of wont be prosecuted in foreign vehicles until November - if they bother to enforce it at all!
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Breadvan72
10,193 posts
32 months
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The hi viz rule is a sensible one. The wearing of hi viz in many contexts is a bit pointless, but not when you are stranded on a motorway. I would get one for everyone in the car, regardless of whether you need one or more than one. As noted above, they cost buttons.
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Dr Mike Oxgreen
1,036 posts
34 months
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The best way to acquire hi-vis vests is to learn to fly. It's the sort of thing that people leave lying around in the back of your aeroplane, and I've even had the bloody things appear in my flight bag. You don't need to steal them; they just gravitate inexorably towards you whether you want them or not.
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'G'ster
93 posts
86 months
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Seriously? Your going down to the Alpes and your not going to bother? So your happy to spend £100 on road tolls and £150 on Fuel but not £5.99 on a breathalyzer?
The fine is £8 so it isnt really rocket science,,,,,,,,but then again,,,,,,,
On the subject of vests, imagine the scene, your driving down the M1 and your electrics start to fail, you pull over as the engine has now died, you try and turn on your hazards but they don't work. You get out in the dark and notice the marker post with a picture of a phone on it directing you to the nearest one (You all knew that didn't you),you start walking away from your car and someone approaching you has a child who wants a pee and pulls over assuming there is nothing on the shoulder having seen no lights or anything alerting them to the fact there is something there.
I don't need to go on. Why anyone wouldn't carry and wear one is a mystery to me but then with the dumbos we have on our UK roads, its hardly surprising. On a recent trip (to the Alpes) I saw several people on the shoulder, triangle out, vest on and well away from their cars, not like our uneducated, thoughtless lot who sit in their car in the rain 1 foot from 56 mph trucks.
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GC8
9,500 posts
59 months
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agtlaw said: 1. 1x hi viz to be worn before exiting the vehicle.*
2. 1x breath test. Law now in force. Fines in force from November 1st (from memory) This That said though, with an EN471 tabard only costing £1 if you buy them well, it makes good sense to have one available for anyone who may leave the car in the event of a breakdown.
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