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Jonny1984
Original Poster
130 posts
32 months
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Now now, lets not play about in the muck  I honestly don't know what they are called.
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goldblum
7,000 posts
37 months
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A friend was caught doing 120 on the M6 a few months ago. No points, £450 and 30 day ban.He thought it a result, and he's Greek.
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jhfozzy
872 posts
60 months
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Terminator X said: Don't keep us in suspense, how did this miracle occur  TX. I dressed smartly for court, was polite to the magistrate, brought a letter from my employer stating that licence needed for job. I was expecting a ban to be honest from reading the online horror mongerers,  but I was happy to get the six and avoid the stigma of a ban.
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10 Pence Short
27,907 posts
87 months
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jhfozzy said: avoid the stigma of a ban. Time and time again I see this and wonder what people actually think they are achieving? Whilst there will be circumstances where staying on the road at all costs is necessary, on many occasions taking the ban will be the far more logical and sensible solution. The 'yay' of getting the 6 points in lieu of ban soon dissipates when it is replaced within 3 years by the 'oh f  k' when you're disqualified for 6 months under totting up. If the aim of the game is to keep the licence as free from points as possible in any three year period, I fail to see how accepting 6 instead of none is considered a winning result?
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daz3210
5,000 posts
110 months
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Jonny1984 said: Well, not a side road One of those things off the hard shoulder, that Police vehicles park on. You mean the car was in full view, on a perch that says 'Police Vehicles Only', and he wanged past them at well over a ton. I would suggest he walks into court, drops his trollies, bends over and pulls his buttocks apart (no don't tell him this he sounds silly enough to do it).
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jhfozzy
872 posts
60 months
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10 Pence Short said: jhfozzy said: avoid the stigma of a ban. Time and time again I see this and wonder what people actually think they are achieving? Whilst there will be circumstances where staying on the road at all costs is necessary, on many occasions taking the ban will be the far more logical and sensible solution. The 'yay' of getting the 6 points in lieu of ban soon dissipates when it is replaced within 3 years by the 'oh f k' when you're disqualified for 6 months under totting up. If the aim of the game is to keep the licence as free from points as possible in any three year period, I fail to see how accepting 6 instead of none is considered a winning result? Maybe I'd rather say at the end of my driving career that I've never been banned from the road. I was happy to drive like a saint for the next three years as punishment and a reminder or what I'd done. Every potential grumpy, impatient overtake was replaced with "calm down or you might get more points" My insurance definately would have gone up more as well with a ban. After I received the points, I did two quotes, one with six points and one with a ban and the ban came out significantly higher. Considering they're counted by the insurers for five years it was a bit of a saving.
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daz3210
5,000 posts
110 months
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10 Pence Short said: jhfozzy said: avoid the stigma of a ban. Time and time again I see this and wonder what people actually think they are achieving? Whilst there will be circumstances where staying on the road at all costs is necessary, on many occasions taking the ban will be the far more logical and sensible solution. The 'yay' of getting the 6 points in lieu of ban soon dissipates when it is replaced within 3 years by the 'oh f k' when you're disqualified for 6 months under totting up. If the aim of the game is to keep the licence as free from points as possible in any three year period, I fail to see how accepting 6 instead of none is considered a winning result? You may as well say if you are gonna get done for speeding, then do it right and do many leptons over the limit. But then again, as a person who got done for 36 in a 30, I would be able to see your point.
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GreatGranny
4,340 posts
96 months
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I thought a ban was always worse for your insurance than points. If its down as a SP30 then I've had 6 points with no effect on my premium. Or is 6 points SPsomethingelse?
OP - So it sounds like it could go either way. Hopefully he will calm down after this.
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10 Pence Short
27,907 posts
87 months
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GreatGranny said: I thought a ban was always worse for your insurance than points. If its down as a SP30 then I've had 6 points with no effect on my premium. Or is 6 points SPsomethingelse?
OP - So it sounds like it could go either way. Hopefully he will calm down after this. Assuming it was an SP30 offence, it would be SP30 irrespective of whether you are banned or given points. The code refers to the offence, not the sentence. There seems to be an urban myth that insurers will almost certainly load premiums far more heavily where the sentence for an SP30 is a short term ban rather than 6 points. I have seen no evidence of this being the case and it is not the case in my experience. Insurance companies certainly do load premiums heavily where multiple offences within a 3 year period have lead to a 6 month TT99 totting up ban. Knowing there is finite space on my licence for a limited number of points before I could hit totting up, I may take a view that two weeks or a month off the road may be a small price to pay for keeping 6 slots free on the licence.
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rash_decision
976 posts
47 months
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Terminator X said: Wtf some of you think no ban?! Definite ban imho as over 100. Unless he is a pro footballer of course ...
TX. WTF do you know about this? Have you been caught over 100? I've been caught over 100, 109 actually, and walked from court with £1000 fine and 6 points. I think this automatic ban over 100 is a myth! Edited to say, I'm not a pro football player!!
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daz3210
5,000 posts
110 months
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If you have say 9 points, get done for a silly speed and get a ban for the speeding offence, do you keep the 9 points after?
Or would the magistrates know about the 9 points and look to give you points then a totting up ban?
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SS2.
7,404 posts
108 months
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daz3210 said: If you have say 9 points, get done for a silly speed and get a ban for the speeding offence, do you keep the 9 points after? Yep. It's only a totting ban which has the effect of 'wiping the slate clean' of existing points.
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RtdRacer
1,274 posts
71 months
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MadMark911
1,421 posts
19 months
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Police forces / courts vary - but here in the Thames Valley, he would get an automatic ban if it proceeds to court - no question! The next step is what combination (almost like rolling dice imho) he gets of: points / length of ban / fine. Likely outcome (IMHO) - if he was on a motorway / national speed limit dual carriageway - it'll be an SP50 and I would put money on a minimum ban of 30 days (and probably up to 3 months), with a £250-500 fine and 6 points.  In terms of insurance, they view any ban like a mild form of drink driving and so he should expect a 10-20% loading on his policy and that of anyone elses car he's insured to drive (i.e. a girlfriend / wife) for the next 5 years. Point to note: failure to disclose his ban after being convicted invalidates any insurance. I got done for doing 101mph on a deserted dual carriageway some 15 years ago (when they were much, much more lenient) and even with a little help from someone in the legal system, I still got a 14 day ban, £250 fine, £100 court costs, but luckily no points!
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Blackpuddin
4,904 posts
75 months
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goldblum said: A friend was caught doing 120 on the M6 a few months ago. No points, £450 and 30 day ban.He thought it a result, and he's Greek. I was 'caught' doing 79mph on a quiet sunny Sunday morning on the M6 a few months ago. 3 points and a £60 fine. Nice to see the consistency. OP reckons his mate's 120mph was a silly mistake. It takes a while to get up to that speed and maintain it long enough to get nicked. That's not a mistake, that's asking for it.
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daz3210
5,000 posts
110 months
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I thought it was ban or points, not both.
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Sir Bagalot
1,974 posts
51 months
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Jonny1984 said: This is the first time he has ever been caught doing this type of speed So how many times has he been this fast and not got caught I would be expecting a six month ban for that.
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Nick1point9
3,471 posts
50 months
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Jonny1984 said: Thanks for the reply,
Which would be the more serious insurance wise? He's a young lad with a fairly powerful hot hatch, his insurance is already eye-watering. Just want to get him some more info as he's a good lad, just a silly mistake that has really shook him. No chance of insurance on just about anything if he's "a young lad" with only 2 years experience and likely to have points/ban for 120mph!
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Nick1point9
3,471 posts
50 months
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RtdRacer said: I've only very briefly scanned the speeding page but the OP is talking about 10 mph more than the upper limit shown for speeding on a NSL road....
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goldblum
7,000 posts
37 months
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Blackpuddin said: goldblum said: A friend was caught doing 120 on the M6 a few months ago. No points, £450 and 30 day ban.He thought it a result, and he's Greek. I was 'caught' doing 79mph on a quiet sunny Sunday morning on the M6 a few months ago. 3 points and a £60 fine. Nice to see the consistency. OP reckons his mate's 120mph was a silly mistake. It takes a while to get up to that speed and maintain it long enough to get nicked. That's not a mistake, that's asking for it. Agree completely.
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