Speed cameras: Are we interested in evidence?
Discussion
768 said:
I guess the answer to the thread title is no.
And there's the problem.Speed cameras were NOT run within scientific trials,
and they have never provided proper evidence of the effect of their speed cameras.
And how have they got away with it?
Because people are not interested in evidence.
This needs to change.
If we are ever to reduce deaths and serious injuries, we must DEMAND proper evidence.
And that needs to be scientific trials for all road safety interventions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqOm-keyss
Heaveho said:
blueg33 said:
It’s not differing opinion. They state that speeding is dangerous per se, and that is erroneous.
Proving that Govt. drivel is indeed effective at brainwashing the hard of thinking.Who would have thought that a slogan as blatantly transparently ignorant as " speed kills " would become so ingrained in the psyche of the foolish, that even motoring forum members would be influenced by it.
I think some of the hoops 'drivers' try and jump through here to justify why they think they should be able to drive as fast as they deem is acceptable foolish to be honest, regardless of it being a motoring forum.
Griffith4ever said:
YorkshireStu said:
Always the same entitled PH Driving Gods who are either very impatient - and ergo dangerous - or want to treat the public roads as their own personal race tracks - ergo dangerous - that complain about getting speeding fines.
Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.
Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.
Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!
why are you here? Seriously.Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.
Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.
Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!
His comments have no relevance to this thread and should be ignored.
bigothunter said:
Griffith4ever said:
YorkshireStu said:
Always the same entitled PH Driving Gods who are either very impatient - and ergo dangerous - or want to treat the public roads as their own personal race tracks - ergo dangerous - that complain about getting speeding fines.
Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.
Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.
Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!
why are you here? Seriously.Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.
Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.
Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!
His comments have no relevance to this thread and should be ignored.
I rarely break red posted or NSL limits (sometimes while overtaking) but, again like most, I am not squeaky clean. Nearly got caught out last Thurs. by a camera van in a lay-by some distance ahead. Could barely see it in the distance when I pulled out to pass a van+trailer on a long straight NSL. Backed off immediately to see 65ish on the speedo and planned to pull back in but white van man also saw the camera van and slowed down to let me pass. My first ever winning ticket may land on the doormat yet.
Dave Finney said:
Greendubber said:
I've seen first hand plenty of people killed by excess speed thanks very much.
So that must be due to your line of work. Are you a Police officer involved in collision investigations?Of course speed CAN kill. So can many many other things.
YorkshireStu said:
Always the same entitled PH Driving Gods who are either very impatient - and ergo dangerous - or want to treat the public roads as their own personal race tracks - ergo dangerous - that complain about getting speeding fines.
Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.
Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.
Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!
Well it took me over 3.5 million miles of driving cars,lorries and motorbikes before I got my 1st speeding ticket for doing 54 mph in a 60 ( lorry should be 40)Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.
Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.
Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!
Then it took me another 6 months/ 55000 miles before I learnt my lession that the cops are really cracking down and I got another 3 points whist in the lorry
so am I a entitled ph god or a road racer ?
stupidbutkeen said:
Well it took me over 3.5 million miles of driving cars,lorries and motorbikes before I got my 1st speeding ticket for doing 54 mph in a 60 ( lorry should be 40)
Then it took me another 6 months/ 55000 miles before I learnt my lession that the cops are really cracking down and I got another 3 points whist in the lorry
so am I a entitled ph god or a road racer ?
Depends who you ask, the virtue signalling hypocrites who'll slag you off on here despite the fact they they too speed, or the realists who get shouted down for telling the truth. Then it took me another 6 months/ 55000 miles before I learnt my lession that the cops are really cracking down and I got another 3 points whist in the lorry
so am I a entitled ph god or a road racer ?
To me, apart from the miles you've managed to cover, you're the same as most of us. A normal bloke who makes the occasional mistake.
Griffith4ever said:
Dave Finney said:
Greendubber said:
I've seen first hand plenty of people killed by excess speed thanks very much.
So that must be due to your line of work. Are you a Police officer involved in collision investigations?Of course speed CAN kill. So can many many other things.
And yes, speed can kill as can lots of other things that are given rules, regulations etc to try and prevent bad things happening. Speeding is no different to lots of things we cant simply 'do'
5s Alive said:
Impatient divers aren't safe, neither are those who treat public roads as their own personal race track however I don't imagine this is the default approach adopted by most of us on PH. Hardly a contentious comment so I'm surprised to see you respond as above BH.
Subject of this thread is evidence to justify speed cameras not impatient drivers. Clue is in the title.I agree that impatient drivers are not safe and that roads cannot/should not be used as race tracks. But neither are relevant to this thread.
YorkshireStu said:
Always the same entitled PH Driving Gods who are either very impatient - and ergo dangerous - or want to treat the public roads as their own personal race tracks - ergo dangerous - that complain about getting speeding fines.
Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.
Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.
Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!
Careful you don't get a nose bleed up there.Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.
Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.
Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!
TX.
Greendubber said:
I've seen first hand plenty of people killed by excess speed thanks very much.
I think some of the hoops 'drivers' try and jump through here to justify why they think they should be able to drive as fast as they deem is acceptable foolish to be honest, regardless of it being a motoring forum.
sI think some of the hoops 'drivers' try and jump through here to justify why they think they should be able to drive as fast as they deem is acceptable foolish to be honest, regardless of it being a motoring forum.
tty drivers are just stty drivers. Unfortunately the revenue vans don't care about safety one jot and the Police when it comes to anything other than traffic offences are weak. Meanwhile those that might drive a little bit too quickly have to be patronised by brainwashed coppers and aforementioned stty drivers with the 'speed kills' mantra. That's life.
carlo996 said:
Greendubber said:
I've seen first hand plenty of people killed by excess speed thanks very much.
I think some of the hoops 'drivers' try and jump through here to justify why they think they should be able to drive as fast as they deem is acceptable foolish to be honest, regardless of it being a motoring forum.
sI think some of the hoops 'drivers' try and jump through here to justify why they think they should be able to drive as fast as they deem is acceptable foolish to be honest, regardless of it being a motoring forum.
tty drivers are just stty drivers. Unfortunately the revenue vans don't care about safety one jot and the Police when it comes to anything other than traffic offences are weak. Meanwhile those that might drive a little bit too quickly have to be patronised by brainwashed coppers and aforementioned stty drivers with the 'speed kills' mantra. That's life.
Prisons filled themselves with speeding motorists then I presume?
Guess how much speed enforcement I've done this year..... Zero, same for last year. Same goes for the majority of cops.
How many gangsters doors have I cut off, loads.
How many drug dealers have I ragged out of bed at 0400hrs and took all their drugs, loads
How many guns have I recovered this year? 4
How many stolen vehicles have I recovered, loads.
Only 2 days ago we caught 2 blokes who had just committed an armed robbery, got the stolen property back, found the vehicle they used which also contained the weapons used, then carried out a search and located all of the clothing they were wearing whilst committing the offence.
That's just me but yeah, we just persecute innocent motorists who decide to ignore a simple speed limit. You know the risk, you take your chance. That's what I do and it's worked pretty well so far.
Greendubber said:
Police are weak when it comes to anything other than traffic offences?
Prisons filled themselves with speeding motorists then I presume?
Guess how much speed enforcement I've done this year..... Zero, same for last year. Same goes for the majority of cops.
How many gangsters doors have I cut off, loads.
How many drug dealers have I ragged out of bed at 0400hrs and took all their drugs, loads
How many guns have I recovered this year? 4
How many stolen vehicles have I recovered, loads.
Only 2 days ago we caught 2 blokes who had just committed an armed robbery, got the stolen property back, found the vehicle they used which also contained the weapons used, then carried out a search and located all of the clothing they were wearing whilst committing the offence.
That's just me but yeah, we just persecute innocent motorists who decide to ignore a simple speed limit. You know the risk, you take your chance. That's what I do and it's worked pretty well so far.
As that is what you are employed to do it would seem to go with the territory. How many cars have I had stolen, or attempted...2, were the police interested, nope. Business burgled, police interested, nope. Perhaps if they had also been drug dealers equipped with firearms I'd have had a better outcome. At least the roads are safe with the revenue vans, knife crime, etc all running at zero Prisons filled themselves with speeding motorists then I presume?
Guess how much speed enforcement I've done this year..... Zero, same for last year. Same goes for the majority of cops.
How many gangsters doors have I cut off, loads.
How many drug dealers have I ragged out of bed at 0400hrs and took all their drugs, loads
How many guns have I recovered this year? 4
How many stolen vehicles have I recovered, loads.
Only 2 days ago we caught 2 blokes who had just committed an armed robbery, got the stolen property back, found the vehicle they used which also contained the weapons used, then carried out a search and located all of the clothing they were wearing whilst committing the offence.
That's just me but yeah, we just persecute innocent motorists who decide to ignore a simple speed limit. You know the risk, you take your chance. That's what I do and it's worked pretty well so far.
Greendubber said:
You know the risk, you take your chance. That's what I do and it's worked pretty well so far.
Good Work.To last bit, It works until it doesn't, can't figure out why it is that on driving sensibly in no rush at all, I found myself a tad over and BAM, van man was right there, only me, him and a parked car concealing him in the tree branches and shadows on a reduced DC I still thought was a 40 though, Be careful.
NFT said:
Greendubber said:
You know the risk, you take your chance. That's what I do and it's worked pretty well so far.
Good Work.To last bit, It works until it doesn't, can't figure out why it is that on driving sensibly in no rush at all, I found myself a tad over and BAM, van man was right there, only me, him and a parked car concealing him in the tree branches and shadows on a reduced DC I still thought was a 40 though, Be careful.
It's almost like an optional tax.
Greendubber said:
Dave Finney said:
Greendubber said:
I've seen first hand plenty of people killed by excess speed thanks very much.
So that must be due to your line of work. Are you a Police officer involved in collision investigations?The evidence suggests, though, that speed cameras are causing even more fatalities that you then have to attend.
I explain here: "Are speed cameras doing more harm than good? Examining the evidence."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqOm-keyss
Dave Finney said:
768 said:
I guess the answer to the thread title is no.
And there's the problem.Speed cameras were NOT run within scientific trials,
and they have never provided proper evidence of the effect of their speed cameras.
And how have they got away with it?
Because people are not interested in evidence.
This needs to change.
If we are ever to reduce deaths and serious injuries, we must DEMAND proper evidence.
And that needs to be scientific trials for all road safety interventions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqOm-keyss
They aren't.
Limits can exist & be enforced for all manner of reasons.
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