Have you Scrapped a Car via ULEZ Scheme?

Have you Scrapped a Car via ULEZ Scheme?

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flat16

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345 posts

234 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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And one other thing: her Honda has a digital throttle that jumps with a slight lag from standstill. She has always hated it (I hate it when I've driven it), so I think she's relishing getting rid of it. The car's good in every other way. I'm 99% sure the digital throttle is inherent to the design. Most people live with it. She would be faced with getting Honda to send TFL a letter, then she'd want to re-map the throttle were she to keep it. I really doubt she can be ar$ed to do this. It makes parking in tight spots awkward and she's had enough of it.

SydneyBridge

8,612 posts

158 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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Have you tried WBAC to see what they will offer ?

flat16

Original Poster:

345 posts

234 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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Good point, I haven't.

One thing to bear in mind: TFL allow you to shop around at scrap merchants, and you can trouser anything that they give you. If she can get £2K out of TFL, plus a cherry on top from the scrap yard, then I do not imagine that WBAC will be able (or want) to compete with that.

She had her cat nicked a couple of years back, and the insurer wanted to write the car off then. In the end, she paid out of her own pocket for a 3rd party (ceramic) cat @ £650. I looked at what her car would've been worth then and it was below £2K at the time, so I am not optimistic about getting more than £1.5K now from anyone, let alone a dealer. If they are savvy, they will look underneath for the original cat, which it doesn't have.

DP14

145 posts

39 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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I used it. Website and process is convoluted in typical public-sector style. You need to submit an application with V5 and few other things first, then if/when that gets approved you have 30(?) days to scrap it and submit the destruction certificate to receive payment, which arrives by cheque. Scrap value from the scrappage company is also yours to keep.

I had no problems and it ran smoothly, but that was when the scheme eligibility was first extended. I think there were a lot of applications subsequently which slowed down the process and possibly drove down scrap values.

Worth doing if it gives the best economic outcome.

Mikebentley

6,111 posts

140 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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C n C

3,308 posts

221 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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flat16 said:
Hi,

Has anyone here actually scrapped a car via the ULEZ scheme and been paid? Is there any advice that you’d give to someone starting out on the process?

The application is for the mother. Prices for her car on here and Ebay suggest £1,500 max, whereas she should get £2,000 from the scrappage scheme (please correct me if I am missing something?).

She’s had enough of paying £12.50 to leave the drive and there is no talking her out of this. Besides which, we all know that scrapping a 2001 Honda with 60K miles is the right way to protect the environment rolleyes

Thank you in advance!
Yes - we scrapped our 1998 Ford Fiesta as soon as the extension of the scrappage scheme made everyone eligible back in late August/early September.

The qualifying criteria (as I recall) were that you had to have owned the car since before January 2022, so over 18 months, it had to be roadworthy with current MOT and currently insured.

The process was relatively straightforward in that we applied online, and had to upload (as I recall) a copy of the V5, current insurance certificate, and proof of your ID and residence (so driving licence and council tax bill/utility bill). The exact details of what is required were on the TfL website.

On getting an email confirmation that the application had been approved (document also accessible via the account you set up on TfL website), you then had to get the car scrapped within a limited time - I think a month, and then upload the Certificate of Destruction provided by the scrapper to your TfL account, which we did.

A few weeks later, a paper cheque arrived in the post.

In terms of value, we bought the Fiesta 8 years ago for £600. As well as being non ULEZ compliant, it was starting to have a few reliability issues so were thinking of getting rid anyway. TfL paid us the full £2000 scrappage allowance, and in addition, we also got to keep the £215 the scrappers paid us for the car.

You were free to use any scappers, so long as they were able to provide a formal Certificate of Destruction. We used removemycar.co.uk and the process was very straightforward - they provided a quote, agreed a date and came and collected the car from our house, and paid the same day by bank transfer. Only slight issue was that I had to phone them to chase the CoD, but they then provided it quickly once reminded about it.

I understand that there is/was a set budget/fund for scrappage, so providing it hasn't all been used up, you should get £2000 scrappage plus whatever the scrappers offer you for the car.

Good luck. thumbup


ETA - Whilst the scrappers offered £215, out of interest I tried WBAC and they offered £120 for the car!

Edited by C n C on Saturday 23 December 20:49

Cliftonite

8,410 posts

138 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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Mikebentley said:
Speak up!

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Snow and Rocks

1,891 posts

27 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
ULEZ is purely about local air quality, and nothing else. Not the wider environment, not co2. I suspect a 2001 Honda will actually be worse for local air quality than a 2007 Bentley.
Much to my surprise, our ancient 2003 2.4 Accord Tourer is fully compliant, as is our lumbering diesel Hilux, much to the disgust of a green voting right on urban living friend who makes endless comments about our "gas guzzling" cars. I particularly enjoyed finding out that he's had to ditch his non-compliant Renault Scenic.

HughG

3,548 posts

241 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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flat16 said:
That's the utter stupidity of the ULEZ rules. Her car was made just before the Euro Emissions Class 4 came about, so although the limit of Nox is below the ULEZ standard, her car is classed as non-compliant.
Have you written to TfL asking them to reassess whether the car is compliant? I did the same with my 1999 Porsche 996 and it is now registered as complaint. Drop me a pm and I will send you a copy of the correspondence if you want.

Sebring440

2,012 posts

96 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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Tony1963 said:
You just can’t beat a full answer with an explanation.

coffee
Edited by Tony1963 on Saturday 23 December 16:16
Sorry, a poor attempt at humour.

It was about getting rid of something unwanted, and getting paid for it.


flat16 said:
The application is for the mother.

Sir Bagalot

6,479 posts

181 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
ULEZ is purely about local air quality, and nothing else.
laugh

Another opinion is that it's all about revenue generation

flat16

Original Poster:

345 posts

234 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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DP14 said:
I used it
C n C said:
Yes - we scrapped our 1998 Ford Fiesta
^ This is exactly the sort of info I was looking for. Thank you very much!
My primary concern is getting the application processed before MOT is due on 12th of Jan.
HughG said:
Have you written to TfL asking them to reassess whether the car is compliant? I did the same with my 1999 Porsche 996 and it is now registered as complaint. Drop me a pm and I will send you a copy of the correspondence if you want.
You did this without needing Porsche to write to them?
Thank you for the extremely kind offer. I’ll drop you a PM right now.

HughG

3,548 posts

241 months

Sunday 24th December 2023
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flat16 said:
You did this without needing Porsche to write to them?
Thank you for the extremely kind offer. I’ll drop you a PM right now.
I needed a certificate of conformity from Porsche, but Porsche didn’t have to liaise with TfL directly. I’ll reply to you now.

James6112

4,371 posts

28 months

Sunday 24th December 2023
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Sir Bagalot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
ULEZ is purely about local air quality, and nothing else.
laugh

Another opinion is that it's all about revenue generation
Another opinion
Nothing to do with revenue generation. That will disappear. Only idiots will pay £12.50 regularly.
It’s history now
Ulez is of no interest to 99% of Londoners
London is now cleaner

Griffith4ever

4,271 posts

35 months

Monday 25th December 2023
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James6112 said:
Another opinion
Nothing to do with revenue generation. That will disappear. Only idiots will pay £12.50 regularly.
It’s history now
Ulez is of no interest to 99% of Londoners
London is now cleaner
You think they've spent all that money on the cameras knowing their revenue stream wi!l dry up soon? :-) hehe . Right.....

happy Xmas

TwigtheWonderkid

43,386 posts

150 months

Monday 25th December 2023
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Griffith4ever said:
James6112 said:
Another opinion
Nothing to do with revenue generation. That will disappear. Only idiots will pay £12.50 regularly.
It’s history now
Ulez is of no interest to 99% of Londoners
London is now cleaner
You think they've spent all that money on the cameras knowing their revenue stream wi!l dry up soon? :-) hehe . Right.....

happy Xmas
James6112 is right. I'm in London. Don't care, never did. No one I know is bothered. Got a mate with an old diesel who visits occasionally and we go to the football, he'll pay the £12.50 once every 3 months or so, not fussed.

The revenue collected thus far has covered the camera costs and the 5% of London residents who were effected are largely buying newer cars that'll help with air quality.

Don't buy into the Tory lies on this topic. Most of the noise over ULEZ came from people with a different agenda and who never cared about motorists anyway. Plus the whole thing was started by Boris when he was mayor and Khan, even though he's a fan of ULEZ, would have had to do it anyway as Grant Shapps insisted as part of the pandemic TFL bail out.

Randy Winkman

16,139 posts

189 months

Monday 25th December 2023
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Don't buy into the Tory lies on this topic. Most of the noise over ULEZ came from people with a different agenda and who never cared about motorists anyway.
Yes - the Daily Mail/Telegraph concern about poor people is quite amusing. Let's see if it continues to the next general election.

Geekman

2,863 posts

146 months

Monday 25th December 2023
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flat16 said:
That's the utter stupidity of the ULEZ rules. Her car was made just before the Euro Emissions Class 4 came about, so although the limit of Nox is below the ULEZ standard, her car is classed as non-compliant. My 2000 Cliosport is the same. Were I to get an identical car in every way, but a year later on 2001 plate, it'd be compliant. Because my one came before the classification came in, it's non-compliant. Renault refused to issue me with a certificate to say it's compliant (they basically told me to eff off - were no help at all and have put me off ever buying a new Renault).

I hadn't thought of calling Honda... Maybe they will be cooler about the situation than Renault? My mechanic called VW and got a certificate... There is little impetus for the maker to do this. I get the impression VW did it for good PR. In theory, were a group of owners with cars that have fallen into the same trap got together and hired a lawyer, I suppose they could force the maker into issuing a certificate??... But that's not the point of this thread. The mother certainly hasn't got the appetite for that. I have for my Clio, but the 1st issue Cliosport is rare now and I'm not sure if I'll be able to find a very big group of litigants, or if it's legally possible.
I know a bit about this as I helped my parents with the process as both of their cars were non-compliant.

Car 1 was a 2003 Jaguar XJ Super V8 which showed up on the system as non-compliant despite the fact that mechanically identical cars registered a few months later were compliant. I got them a certificate of conformity from Jaguar which they sent to TFL and they then changed their database to make that car compliant.

Car 2 was a 1998 Toyota RAV4 which also showed up on the system as non-compliant. In this case, we were unable to get the certificate from Toyota as the car was too old, so they went for the scrapage scheme. The clutch happened to totally fail a few days before the transporter was due to pick it up, but nobody seemed to care. They did get paid the full amount which I think was 2000, and the driver said the better cars wouldn't actually be scrapped and that the whole thing was a scam. No idea how true that is of course.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,386 posts

150 months

Monday 25th December 2023
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Randy Winkman said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Don't buy into the Tory lies on this topic. Most of the noise over ULEZ came from people with a different agenda and who never cared about motorists anyway.
Yes - the Daily Mail/Telegraph concern about poor people is quite amusing. Let's see if it continues to the next general election.
Indeed. I keep reading that ULEZ is a tax on the poorest Londoners. Hardly, as the poorest Londoners don't have cars. But they do live in some of the worst, densely populated areas, and will benefit the most from any air quality improvement.

MightyBadger

1,980 posts

50 months

Monday 25th December 2023
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Your Civic coupe is a manual it’s worth about 2k.

Edited by MightyBadger on Tuesday 26th December 09:06