What is proof of using a phone while driving?
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pattieG said:
Aretnap said:
Got your phone out while stopped at traffic lights? I fear you're going to have a hard time defending this one...
It’s not stopped at a traffic light if someone is actively stopping you from leaving though is it.Griffith4ever said:
I got stuck behind a belligerant "peleton" of around 7 or 8 riders today on the North circular so I feel for you. I did nothing, at all, kept a huge distance, but they kept looking back at me, blocking the whole road for a while.
I must not have got the memo when I cycled to work for 10 years because I rode with the assumption that even if I was 100% in the right with any traffic accident I was still a squishy human on a 12kg steel frame.Griffith4ever said:
Saw a vid the other day with a copper explaining how even touching your phone in the Macdonalds drive through to use your app is "illegal".
You can use a device held in your hand if: you need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it's unsafe or impractical to stop. you're safely parked. you're making a contactless payment in a vehicle that is not moving, for example at a drive-through restaurant.Edited by Griffith4ever on Sunday 25th February 19:35
s p a c e m a n said:
Griffith4ever said:
Saw a vid the other day with a copper explaining how even touching your phone in the Macdonalds drive through to use your app is "illegal".
You can use a device held in your hand if: you need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it's unsafe or impractical to stop. you're safely parked. you're making a contactless payment in a vehicle that is not moving, for example at a drive-through restaurant.Aretnap said:
s p a c e m a n said:
Griffith4ever said:
Saw a vid the other day with a copper explaining how even touching your phone in the Macdonalds drive through to use your app is "illegal".
You can use a device held in your hand if: you need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it's unsafe or impractical to stop. you're safely parked. you're making a contactless payment in a vehicle that is not moving, for example at a drive-through restaurant.pattieG said:
normalbloke said:
Care to give us a bit of background?
Honked at a cyclist in the road riding erratically. Cyclist catches up at traffic lights and is abusive. Takes photo of my number plate and self in passenger seat. Claims I drove into him. The police are reporting me for driving whilst using a phone with his picture of me taking a picture of him as evidence.pattieG said:
normalbloke said:
Care to give us a bit of background?
Honked at a cyclist in the road riding erratically. Cyclist catches up at traffic lights and is abusive. Takes photo of my number plate and self in passenger seat. Claims I drove into him. The police are reporting me for driving whilst using a phone with his picture of me taking a picture of him as evidence.Heathwood said:
pattieG said:
normalbloke said:
Care to give us a bit of background?
Honked at a cyclist in the road riding erratically. Cyclist catches up at traffic lights and is abusive. Takes photo of my number plate and self in passenger seat. Claims I drove into him. The police are reporting me for driving whilst using a phone with his picture of me taking a picture of him as evidence.Sympathies Op, Sounds reasonable you were likely gaining evidence/protecting yourself with videoing/photo's, I'm interested to see what Agtlaw and others say about it.
In my own view you can't do much these days, if some one wants to do you, they'll likely succeed, appears to be no discretion, care for the lack of actual risk/recklessness/wrongdoing, consideration for reasonableness in most circumstances, or even if its a deviation from circumstance or goal the questionable lot in Lords/Commons tied to all manner of unsavory things and ineptness may have had in mind.
Hopefully if your stopped, essentially under attack, considering calling for help and collecting evidence, then a solution to prevent the points etc can be found.
Best of luck.
In my own view you can't do much these days, if some one wants to do you, they'll likely succeed, appears to be no discretion, care for the lack of actual risk/recklessness/wrongdoing, consideration for reasonableness in most circumstances, or even if its a deviation from circumstance or goal the questionable lot in Lords/Commons tied to all manner of unsavory things and ineptness may have had in mind.
Hopefully if your stopped, essentially under attack, considering calling for help and collecting evidence, then a solution to prevent the points etc can be found.
Best of luck.
NRG1976 said:
pattieG said:
normalbloke said:
Care to give us a bit of background?
Honked at a cyclist in the road riding erratically. Cyclist catches up at traffic lights and is abusive. Takes photo of my number plate and self in passenger seat. Claims I drove into him. The police are reporting me for driving whilst using a phone with his picture of me taking a picture of him as evidence.CoolHands said:
NRG1976 said:
pattieG said:
normalbloke said:
Care to give us a bit of background?
Honked at a cyclist in the road riding erratically. Cyclist catches up at traffic lights and is abusive. Takes photo of my number plate and self in passenger seat. Claims I drove into him. The police are reporting me for driving whilst using a phone with his picture of me taking a picture of him as evidence.Although I do hope to be proven wrong!
NFT said:
CoolHands said:
NRG1976 said:
pattieG said:
normalbloke said:
Care to give us a bit of background?
Honked at a cyclist in the road riding erratically. Cyclist catches up at traffic lights and is abusive. Takes photo of my number plate and self in passenger seat. Claims I drove into him. The police are reporting me for driving whilst using a phone with his picture of me taking a picture of him as evidence.Although I do hope to be proven wrong!
NFT said:
Holding is likely considered using, people have been done because officers thought they saw them using phone, and when told to check the phone records with telecoms Co, they didn't care as could have been about to make a call or listening to something on it.. That seems to be how it is these days.
Although I do hope to be proven wrong!
Simply holding a phone is not using it - the definition of using is now very broad, but not that broad. It requires using at least one of the phones functions, whether that be an actual voice call, or the camera, or an app, or looking at the internet or whatever.Although I do hope to be proven wrong!
However people tend not to pick up their phones and point them someone for no reason at all, so the court would be perfectly within its rights to conclude that she was using it, without any specific evidence of exactly what function she was using. The onus would in practice be in the OP to counter the assumption that she was doing something more than merely picking it up, which she would not be able to do without committing perjury given that she was using it to take a photograph.
CoolHands said:
NRG1976 said:
You can’t even touch a phone in a cradle, never mind holding the phone.
I didn’t know that, I thought the whole point of a cradle was that you can.…..
Using devices hands-free
“You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do not hold them at any time during usage. Hands-free access means using, for example:
a Bluetooth headset
voice command
a dashboard holder or mat
a windscreen mount
a built-in sat nav
The device must not block your view of the road and traffic ahead.”
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