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cymtriks

4,014 posts

114 months

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Thursday 26th July 2012 quote quote all
V8 GRF said:
Ginettas -- As mentioned a handful of roadcars, probaly around 100 race cars now but over a 7 - 8 year period
Caterham- Proper brand been going for years
Ultima- Like it or not they're a kit car and the majority wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot barge pole, again going for years, be interesting to know how many they've sold and how many of those are actually on the road
Kirkham -- Who? Unless you mean the Cobra replicas by Hawk? Again Kit car
Ariel -- Started small, niche product being going for about ten years slowy ramped up but not a copy of anything.

By the time your replicas had sold anything like the numbers you're talking about you'd have closed.
What point are you trying to make?
Ginetta may not sell in huge numbers but it has survived for a long time.
Caterham is no different to TVR in brand terms, it's another small niche player, its also survived for a long time.
Ultima being a kit car dose not change their sale figures. A fully built car may well be comparable to TVR in who it is likely to appeal to, a kit car arguably has less mass appeal so on balance their success is encouraging.
The Kirkham cobra is a top end replica with hand formed ally bodywork. If someone can can sell kits in this price bracket then it is very encouaging for a new TVR.
Ariel too have been going for a while and are very niche in appeal.

A new Tuscan would be comparable in appeal and build to many of these and arguably have more mass appeal than a kit or a more extreme niche product like the Ariel.

In other words, if there is room for Ariel, Ultima and kirkham they why not for a fully built car pitched at a similar sort of customer?
If these companies can survive on such products then why not TVR?

Where you may be right is that they are all doomed, that some day they will be unable to invest in what the future will require. But if you, or anyone else, actually wants a workable plan to bring TVR back I think my plan is the way to do it.

elisek

380 posts

151 months

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Saturday 28th July 2012 quote quote all
a 4 cylinder turbo 250 bhp TVR 800 kg?

B17NNS

8,552 posts

116 months

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Saturday 28th July 2012 quote quote all
GTRene said:
Good lord that's pretty.

V8 GRF

5,791 posts

79 months

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Sunday 29th July 2012 quote quote all
cymtriks said:
What point are you trying to make?.
The point I'm making is I disagree with your plan.

You suggest resurrecting cars that weren't selling in sufficient numbers 7 years ago, when there was continuity and a experienced workforce.

Why do you think that selling the same outdated (technically) cars now, at significantly increased prices to cover the investment needed will produce a profitable company?

DonkeyApple

11,993 posts

38 months

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Sunday 29th July 2012 quote quote all
V8 GRF said:
The point I'm making is I disagree with your plan.

You suggest resurrecting cars that weren't selling in sufficient numbers 7 years ago, when there was continuity and a experienced workforce.

Why do you think that selling the same outdated (technically) cars now, at significantly increased prices to cover the investment needed will produce a profitable company?
When no one can get any debt and anyone with money is suddenly prudent.
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cymtriks

4,014 posts

114 months

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Tuesday 31st July 2012 quote quote all
V8 GRF said:
The point I'm making is I disagree with your plan.

You suggest resurrecting cars that weren't selling in sufficient numbers 7 years ago, when there was continuity and a experienced workforce.

Why do you think that selling the same outdated (technically) cars now, at significantly increased prices to cover the investment needed will produce a profitable company?
TVRs sold in sufficient numbers for a long time, as do other small car, or kit car, manufacturers today.
An experienced workforce is perhaps a trickier problem but by resurrecting an existing model we would at least save a good deal of the costs of development. Also a lot of know how exists in the suppliers for these cars, many parts are already in production.

Technically outdated? How?
Can you think of a realistic (or at least more realistic than my ideas) new TVR?

The reality is that with existing designs production is easier to restart and an obvious link to the previous company would exist wheres as with a new design we would end up with ruinous design costs and probably still end up with a customer developed fibreglass and steel tube chassis car.

LukeSi

5,066 posts

30 months

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Thursday 9th August 2012 quote quote all
Bumpity bump bump,

Ok obviously I'm going to win the euromillions jackpot tomorrow, and when I do I shall be making nikolai smolensky an offer which he probably won't refuse. So what I was thinking, £50 million put aside as start up money should mean enough to build up the infrastructure and develop a car similar to the Tuscan, I would probably go with the Speed Six engine, obviously I would speak with the likes of TVR Power, RG, Str8six to help develop the engines to be reliable.

The car will be slightly more expensive the original Tuscan S6 but will be built to a higher quality and will be much more reliable. Using the Speed Six would mean that while it cost more than using an LSx engine, it would be TVR rather than a fiberglass body with an american engine thrown in.

The choice of chassis would be a slightly more difficult choice, would it be best to stick with what we know and build it on a steel tubular chassis, which if that is what I were to do would be galvanized to ensure that it didn't rust. The other, more expensive option would be to build using a Carbon Fiber monocoque, which would be a hell of a lot more expensive than the tubular chassis with a fiberglass body mounted, and although likely not viable at start up could be an option in the future when the price of the technology decreases.

The equipment level would be good with most items fitted standard, interiors would obviously be leather and the whole car could be customised to individual spec within reason (things like colour choice, interior choice, wheels, cd or satnav, etc) obviously it wouldn't be viable to offer more than one or two engine choices (e.g. 3.6 Speed Six, 4.0 Speed Six,) which would be more likely offered as different spec levels,(e.g. Tuscan, Tuscan S,etc...) another possibility would be a lightweight version which would be pretty basic inside, but have lightweight bucket seats, a full roll cage (the normal cars would be designed to withstand a roll over through the use of a simple rollover bar), lightweight wheels, body panels etc and would likely be sold as (I'm just using "Tuscan as an example") as the Tuscan RS.

And finally I would find out what current TVR owners wanted from the cars, e.g. maintaining the same raw driving experience, a simple ABS/TC/SC system; all of which could be completely disabled if the driver chooses to do so, better build quality, better reliability, similar pricing to the originals, etc. As stated previously, I believe this would be achievable with a start up cost of around £50 million.

PDB

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34 months

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Thursday 9th August 2012 quote quote all
V8 GRF said:
Kirkham -- Who? Unless you mean the Cobra replicas by Hawk? Again Kit car.
Hawk Cars are the European agents or Kirkham, not the manufacturer. www.kirkhammotorsports.com
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