RE: Last Ever Blackpool TVR
Discussion
GBRM said:
As I've said before I have no issue with the car racing but it's not a TVR by a long stretch unless you can say it's like TVRs were in the '60s
andGBRM said:
A quick answer for Andy Holden - your cars are great, everyone knows what you're doing and you get on with it; taking nothing away from the guys who built the 5000, they did a bloody good job and I'd like them on my team but it's two very different stories and marketing!!
Now I'm really confused! Whilst grateful for your kind comments, how are you comfortable with me calling mine a TVR, and a Sagaris at that (with a different chassis to the road going car and an engine that has never been used in a TVR), yet when PRW builds something that is much closer to a TVR model, its not a TVR?! Peter and Ben clearly enjoy the Heritage series. It seems to me Peter wracked his brains for a TVR model that a) he could fit in and b) could be made competitive, even if it was a little obscure. Its for the organisers to determine its eligibility, although I can't imagine Peter built it for the Heritage series without checking first they'd be happy with it. It seemed odd Peter racing an Aston, I think its tremendous he's back in a TVR.
Finally the story/marketing is simply how PH chose to report it - I don't imagine for a minute that Peter put out a press release entitled 'Last ever Blackpool TVR'.... come off it, its hardly his style is it? He'll have just pitched up and raced it. Given who he is and how the car looks, that is news though, which is why the car also featured (briefly) in this weeks Autosport, whioch I'm sure you've seen. The title of that one was 'Rare TVR in British debut'
This is a very, very odd discussion and I am truly bewildered that anyone remotely enthusiastic about TVR would be anything other than pleased to see this car being built and raced by Peter and Ben. Although I trust they have made a few spare bonnets for Ben's stints....?;)
Transparency and accuracy; they both go a long way in motor racing in my book and my feeling is that's not the case with this project or at least it hasn't been so far (and has been reported badly here, which gives a mis-leading impression) but I will watch with interest their continued racing.
Apologies to all for voicing MY opinion on the matter; I hope I haven’t forced anyone into my opinion and that people can still make up their own minds. As I've posted before, good luck to them.
Apologies to all for voicing MY opinion on the matter; I hope I haven’t forced anyone into my opinion and that people can still make up their own minds. As I've posted before, good luck to them.
Terminator said:
TVR_owner said:
I just need to find a second driver who will not be quicker, as good looking or younger than me and I know that will prove difficult
If only I could pass the MSA medical, John, your 
GBRM said:
Transparency and accuracy; they both go a long way in motor racing in my book and my feeling is that's not the case with this project or at least it hasn't been so far (and has been reported badly here, which gives a mis-leading impression) but I will watch with interest their continued racing.
Apologies to all for voicing MY opinion on the matter; I hope I haven’t forced anyone into my opinion and that people can still make up their own minds. As I've posted before, good luck to them.
Transparency and Accuracy do not go a long way in motor racing and never have as each team/individual/mechanic et al will do whatever they can to use rules and regulation that are laid down and attempt to navigate through the small print to gain any advantage possible - thats the way it is, the way it was and the way it will always be.Apologies to all for voicing MY opinion on the matter; I hope I haven’t forced anyone into my opinion and that people can still make up their own minds. As I've posted before, good luck to them.
Ben, Peter and all the team bloody well done!
If it were not for people like you guys the world would be a dull place and every car would cross the finish line at the same moment in time.
GBRM said:
Who said the Corinthian spirit was dead!! That's your opinion Bob and fair enough. Maybe I was (un)lucky to grow up in a motor-racing family where honesty and enjoyment were the driving force, not financial gain and success but I feel this is going a bit O/T.
Up to a point I like the stretching of the rules to see how far they'll go; it tests the rule writers. In the late 80's when Aston Martin went racing again with AMR1, team manager Richard Williams knew that the car could run the shorter races on the battery and could gain about 10 bhp by doing without the alternator. But the rules said the car needed a charging circuit. The conversation between the scrutineer and Williams when it was noticed that the car had a strip of photo-electric cells stuck across the windscreen with two teeny wires running to the battery was a joy.
Slow M said:
Dude, screw that stuff!
You've been holding out on us!!!!
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?
Aside from the rear upper outside wishbone bolt being in single shear, that's fuc
king gorgeous!
I guess I'm a bit slow to realise THAT WAS MY PICTURE that I did not intend to post. But the subsequent info was correct.You've been holding out on us!!!!
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?
Aside from the rear upper outside wishbone bolt being in single shear, that's fuc
king gorgeous!Edited by USTVRDUDE on Saturday 8th November 07:47
USTVRDUDE said:
Slow M said:
Dude, screw that stuff!
You've been holding out on us!!!!
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?
Aside from the rear upper outside wishbone bolt being in single shear, that's fucking gorgeous!
I guess I'm a bit slow to realise THAT WAS MY PICTURE that I did not intend to post. But the subsequent info was correct.You've been holding out on us!!!!
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?
Aside from the rear upper outside wishbone bolt being in single shear, that's fuc
king gorgeous!Edited by USTVRDUDE on Saturday 8th November 07:47
N.
Bill never took the picture, it's of a prototype Tuscan chassis in Mike Bigland's workshop in 1970, I think it subsequently became the underpinnings of Spotty Smith's race car.
I have a similar photo, via Gerry Sagerman.
Publishing it on PH, Bill? Naughty!
PS. Am currently in Vegas, been to SEMA, fly home tonight.
I have a similar photo, via Gerry Sagerman.
Publishing it on PH, Bill? Naughty!
PS. Am currently in Vegas, been to SEMA, fly home tonight.
Elderly Canadians remember the 5000Ms that John Wadman et al assembled in the mid-1970s. They were our dream cars. TVR Canada, still JAG Enterprises today, followed the practice of American and Australian TVR distributors in the 1960s - buying cars from Blackpool without engines or transmissions in order to fit short deck SB Ford V8s. John Wadman told me this week that in order to build the first 5000M registered in Canada, he removed the Triumph six from a new TVR and replaced it with a SBF V8.
About ten years ago I shipped the remains of two LHD TVRs from Canada to New Zealand. Friends there assembled a a race car with participation in the NZ Southern Festival of Speed in mind. For the past seven years it has been the only TVR among the 200+ entrants at the four weekends of the Southern Festival, and has developed a following among the spectators at these events, especially the NZ TVR Club members.
With respect to FIA historic race car originality, no early TVR V8 would qualify: the COD (Certificate of Description) must describe cars which were produced in runs of more than 100 with identical engines, chassis and bodies. Distributors in different countries installed whatever the client wanted or was convenient in the way of a SBF V8 - everything from two barrel carb, 260 ci dogs to Boss 302 and Gurney Weslake head specimens.
Since our objective was to have a car that would run every meeting, all meeting, to maximize the limited time I have for racing during my annual holiday in New Zealand, the car was assembled with reliability and safety as priorities. As a result many of the original flimsy, rusty parts were replaced. Fortunately NZ Motorsport FIA has a category for Sports and GTs built before 1977 which permits modifications which could have been done in the pre-1977 era. For the last seven years in a row my Kiwi friends have tinkered with pickup points, dampers, alignment, welded-in bits for chassis stiffening, etc. The throttle-off understeer and diabolical throttle-on oversteer of the original car have been minimized and the car is a delight. I wish I knew how to add photos to these remarks so that friends of TVR could appreciate what NZ enthusiasts can do.
TVR Jack
About ten years ago I shipped the remains of two LHD TVRs from Canada to New Zealand. Friends there assembled a a race car with participation in the NZ Southern Festival of Speed in mind. For the past seven years it has been the only TVR among the 200+ entrants at the four weekends of the Southern Festival, and has developed a following among the spectators at these events, especially the NZ TVR Club members.
With respect to FIA historic race car originality, no early TVR V8 would qualify: the COD (Certificate of Description) must describe cars which were produced in runs of more than 100 with identical engines, chassis and bodies. Distributors in different countries installed whatever the client wanted or was convenient in the way of a SBF V8 - everything from two barrel carb, 260 ci dogs to Boss 302 and Gurney Weslake head specimens.
Since our objective was to have a car that would run every meeting, all meeting, to maximize the limited time I have for racing during my annual holiday in New Zealand, the car was assembled with reliability and safety as priorities. As a result many of the original flimsy, rusty parts were replaced. Fortunately NZ Motorsport FIA has a category for Sports and GTs built before 1977 which permits modifications which could have been done in the pre-1977 era. For the last seven years in a row my Kiwi friends have tinkered with pickup points, dampers, alignment, welded-in bits for chassis stiffening, etc. The throttle-off understeer and diabolical throttle-on oversteer of the original car have been minimized and the car is a delight. I wish I knew how to add photos to these remarks so that friends of TVR could appreciate what NZ enthusiasts can do.
TVR Jack
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