Loco sheds and other railway buildings...

Loco sheds and other railway buildings...

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matchmaker

8,495 posts

201 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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bristolracer said:
matchmaker said:
The problem with the diesel hydraulics - even the Westerns - was that it proved impossible to fit them with ETS (Electric Train Supply), which was essential for hauling modern air conditioned coaches. The 50s which replaced the Westerns were fitted with ETS from new (they didn't have steam heat fitted).
I thought the Hydraulics were withdrawn owing to reliability? The diesel Hydraulic system being far more complex than the simplicity of a diesel electric?
I don't think reliability was the problem. Most of the diesel hydraulic classes were twin engined so had the ability to keep going even if one engine failed. The Westerns lack of ETS and lower top speed meant that when BR wanted to improve the London - Bristol service to compete with the M4 motorway they had to be replaced.

P5BNij

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107 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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matchmaker said:
bristolracer said:
matchmaker said:
The problem with the diesel hydraulics - even the Westerns - was that it proved impossible to fit them with ETS (Electric Train Supply), which was essential for hauling modern air conditioned coaches. The 50s which replaced the Westerns were fitted with ETS from new (they didn't have steam heat fitted).
I thought the Hydraulics were withdrawn owing to reliability? The diesel Hydraulic system being far more complex than the simplicity of a diesel electric?
I don't think reliability was the problem. Most of the diesel hydraulic classes were twin engined so had the ability to keep going even if one engine failed. The Westerns lack of ETS and lower top speed meant that when BR wanted to improve the London - Bristol service to compete with the M4 motorway they had to be replaced.
As well as the ETS issue, it was the fact that the entire hydraulic fleet of 309 locos was deemed 'non standard' compared with the 4000 or so diesel-electrics BR had at the time, so they had to go. It was a real shame because they were designed and built to tackle the steep gradients in the West Country, which they coped with admirably. Once their foibles had been sorted out, most of them gave good service, despite myths that have arisen about them. The reliability record of the Warships in particular improved in the mid '60s with some of them achieving higher mileages than the Deltics. The were all supposed to be gone by the Autumn of '73 but the last few Westerns clung on until February '77, partly because the 50s that had been drafted in from the London Midland Region were woefully unreliable, a problem that was only solved when the all fifty of them had been completely refurbished a few years later. Also during the period that the hydraulics were under scrutiny, the then brand new Sulzer powered 47s were having serious problems, which the BR board tried to hush up. There was a certain amount of back room politics involved too, as most of the BRB was made up of Derby and Crewe men who didn't like the idea of the Western Region doing their own thing with the hydraulics. Mistakes were made during the rush to modernise, but by and large the hydraulics were good workhorses and were well suited to the mixed traffic jobs that were given to them, day in, day out.

Talking of Crewe, here are some shots taken in the loco works in the early '70s....








demic

375 posts

162 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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P5BNij said:
Willesden Roundhouse in may 1962....



Leeds Holbeck in 1974, another one built on the site of a former roundhouse....



I took these shots of the admin block at Saltley a few weeks before it was demolished, I was waiting to relieve a train there and had a mooch about....











A full house at Saltley in 1972, the 33 on the right has probably worked some oil tanks into nearby Bromford Bridge....



The train crew lobby at Wigan Springs Branch in August 1974....



Edited by P5BNij on Monday 8th March 14:21
Used to sign Holbeck. Spent many night shunting units round there and avoiding the prostitutes lurking around the gate. Given how some of these place have changed over the years remarkably little has changed since that 1974 picture was taken. The stabling roads, wash road, repair shed (although recently extended) and accommodation block are all still there.

twister

1,451 posts

237 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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Wonderful photos and recollections, thanks to all who've contributed so far!

P5BNij

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Monday 8th March 2021
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Interesting - I though Holbeck was long gone after the Peaks were all withdrawn.

Prossies - used to see them plying their trade on the 'lawn' at Paddington when we were taking the newspaper vans in and out on the night shift, they used to sit on the benches waving their stiletto boots about, they had their hourly rates written on the soles in black marker pen!

Some more oldies - Thornaby shed in 1965....





Moving away from depots for a mo, some every day views of Reading General in 1967 and 68, the whole place is unrecognisable now since it was remodelled a few years ago.... notice how smart most people dressed in those days too....













Note the Bournemouth electrification poster on the left, scheduled to start three days after the last steam hauled train left Waterloo....









Peter Purves filming a spot for Blue Peter.... the 'Reading General' brown and cream totem sign could easily fetch two or three grand now....




warch

2,941 posts

155 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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P5BNij said:
As well as the ETS issue, it was the fact that the entire hydraulic fleet of 309 locos was deemed 'non standard' compared with the 4000 or so diesel-electrics BR had at the time, so they had to go.
This. British Rail didn't really like non standard engines or construction, presumably because it made maintenance work and spares availability more of a faff. They also got rid of any locomotives in small class sizes. This did for things like the Class 29 which had a high speed engine and a class size of 20 locomotives.

Tyre Smoke

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262 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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There's a grade 2 listed goods shed at Exeter St David's that was used to trans-ship goods from GWR broad gauge to Southern narrow gauge. St David's being the only station in the UK where trains depart for London in opposite directions, North for (GWR) Paddington and South for (Southern) Waterloo.


P5BNij

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Monday 8th March 2021
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Technically you can depart from Birmingham New St in two different directions to get to London, due to the layout of the triangular junctions at Soho and Perry Barr to the north. You can actually go round and round in circles, by going via Soho, Perry Barr and Aston passing through New St all day long wink

My mate took these photos of Wellingborough Depot when he was road learning the Midland Mainline many years ago, sadly they were demolished, the roundhouse is still there (it is now listed apparently) but there's a new road running through the site of the servicing shed....
















demic

375 posts

162 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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P5BNij said:
Interesting - I though Holbeck was long gone after the Peaks were all withdrawn.

Prossies - used to see them plying their trade on the 'lawn' at Paddington when we were taking the newspaper vans in and out on the night shift, they used to sit on the benches waving their stiletto boots about, they had their hourly rates written on the soles in black marker pen!

Some more oldies - Thornaby shed in 1965....



I think it closed as a train crew depot in the early eighties and was amalgamated with Neville Hill train crew depot at Leeds station (still some sour grapes and more light hearted ribbing between them 30 yrs on!) . Jarvis (remember them?) had it for looking after plant and then latterly Northern in its various guises have used it as fuelling/stabling point.

Thornaby is in a sorry state. All the depot building have been demolished, but the remains of the roundhouse are clearly visible through the silver birches.

Thanks for posting these images, modern depots just don’t have the character (or grime and filth!)

The Rotrex Kid

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161 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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Not a building per se, but it’s railway related and was built....

https://youtu.be/VGFndeXtLmw

P5BNij

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Monday 8th March 2021
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The Rotrex Kid said:
Not a building per se, but it’s railway related and was built....

https://youtu.be/VGFndeXtLmw
Thanks for sharing that, I love a bit of Cornish railway line history. My brother took this in January '89 on the way down to Penzance, up front is 50 015 'Valiant'....


The Rotrex Kid

30,328 posts

161 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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P5BNij said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
Not a building per se, but it’s railway related and was built....

https://youtu.be/VGFndeXtLmw
Thanks for sharing that, I love a bit of Cornish railway line history. My brother took this in January '89 on the way down to Penzance, up front is 50 015 'Valiant'....

No worries. A friend and I have decided to make some videos of old stations, bridges, viaducts etc in Cornwall. When lockdown lifts we’ll get out for some more filming.

That viaduct is a cracker as it’s now just joining two fields together....
https://goo.gl/maps/tFQkS6MF83wkvamf7

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

262 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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You should do Devon too. The number of towns and villages with a "Station Road" and no railway any more...

Thanks Richard Beecham.

The Rotrex Kid

30,328 posts

161 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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Tyre Smoke said:
You should do Devon too. The number of towns and villages with a "Station Road" and no railway any more...

Thanks Richard Beecham.
Thanks, yes we we’ll do some more further afield if it works out smile

SlowcoachIII

304 posts

222 months

Monday 8th March 2021
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warch said:
I love threads like this, 1974 seems like a world away from the modern day.
It is a great thread so thanks OP.

Looking back on 1974 from today is the equivalent of looking back to 1927 from the date of the photo. In that respect, it really is!

StefanVXR8

3,603 posts

199 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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Great thread, thanks to OP and contributors. Brings back happy memories of growing up in Cornwall and being a rail enthusiast during the 70's and 80's. Class 50's were my favourites, saw everyone of them and likewise with the HST Class 43's.

I don't remember the Westerns etc, think by the time I got in to it they had all been retired. I do remember summer holidays though and buying a West of England Rail Rover ticket for a week of unlimited travel between Penzance and Bristol and all lines in between. We used to be out on the first train and back on the last, all for the princely sum of £13 and then some discounted Rail Riders membership tickets for add on excursions to Cardiff and Westbury!

I used to have lot's of railway memorabilia from family and family friends, had a set of drivers manuals for Class 47, 50, HST, 25 plus many others, locomotive master key, which I'm sure I still have somewhere (and interestingly is identical to the ones used in Australia where I live now), plus my cousin used to work at Redruth station so I used to get loads of station posters etc. Wish I still had them!

Stef

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

244 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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All Bradford; the first three are Manningham shed:







This is Forster Square turntable, 1962:


Venisonpie

3,279 posts

83 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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Tyre Smoke said:
There's a grade 2 listed goods shed at Exeter St David's that was used to trans-ship goods from GWR broad gauge to Southern narrow gauge. St David's being the only station in the UK where trains depart for London in opposite directions, North for (GWR) Paddington and South for (Southern) Waterloo.

I think you can from Leeds too. Last year I got on a new Azuma for London and it headed north, at first I thought they must have programmed it incorrectly but it took a circuitous route to the East Coast mainline and ended up heading South albeit back to front.

Venisonpie

3,279 posts

83 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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P5BNij said:
Technically you can depart from Birmingham New St in two different directions to get to London, due to the layout of the triangular junctions at Soho and Perry Barr to the north. You can actually go round and round in circles, by going via Soho, Perry Barr and Aston passing through New St all day long wink

My mate took these photos of Wellingborough Depot when he was road learning the Midland Mainline many years ago, sadly they were demolished, the roundhouse is still there (it is now listed apparently) but there's a new road running through the site of the servicing shed....















Glad you got this thread underway, some great contributions already.

I remember the Wellingborough sheds well as they served as warehousing during the 90's before succumbing. I was driving trucks at the time and the only access to them was across a scrape the sides narrow Victorian over bridge that probably wasn't designed for anything like a 40t truck!

Further South there's the odd track arrangement at Souldrop where 2 lines run through a cutting and 2 run through an adjacent tunnel.

Edited by Venisonpie on Tuesday 9th March 04:36

rlw

3,336 posts

238 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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My grandparents lived at the top of a hill in Kirkstall and as a kid in the late 50s and early 60s I was entranced by the view over the yards below that were always working and full of wagons and engines. In the dark, the glow from the fires was very emotive.

Does anyone have any pictures from there to remind me what it was like.