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Paddy_N_Murphy
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15,128 posts
53 months
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I do like seeing the conditions and such of watching those boys on Deadliest Catch (discovery blah) and admire the guile and graft they have, but I also watched for the first time last night the programme "Whale Wars" - What a shower of s  te those guys are - never mind the ethics / arguments behind what they are standing for, their seamanship and methods were alarming. Last night I saw them heading back to port with a calculated bunkers that was marginal to make the voyage Setting to and chasing after a whaling vessels that were doing 19knots with a 10NM head start in RIBS that they were only making 15knots in. 2 Hours of HSE check-lists to launch a RIB -self imposed  (mind you probably after they Capsized one whilst launching underway on a single point davit with no Painter ) Oh and that First Mate what a grade A t t. A bloody liability on the High seas ! I understand that vast majority of the crew are volunteers but there MUST be some responsible people on board for safety sake.
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danyeates
4,345 posts
91 months
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It's unbelievable isn't it?! I watch the whole series out of pure amazement, some of the things they do is beyond belief. I sell RIB's (or Zodiacs as they call them) for a living and have my own boat and I couldn't believe how they launched that RIB using a single point lift whilst underway. I couldn't believe they did it with camera crew onboard, they’re putting their lives in danger. Capsizing a RIB with the engines running, in the Arctic in heavy seas, it was a miracle no one was seriously injured. The captain is a complete arrogant t t who doesn’t care about anyone except himself. He continuously says that he expects his crew to put the whales’ lives before their own. Having said that, the crew aren’t much better. On several occasions they take the RIB’s out, sometimes at night, and forget to turn on the satellite phone! They’re out of radio range and the ship has no way of contacting them at all. Hours past and the Steve Irwin decides to radio the whaling ship to ask if they’d seen their RIB!!! They’d been out throwing stink bombs and all sorts at it all night! That’s just basic common sense. How could you go out for hours on a RIB in the dark and not think to contact the Steve Irwin, if not just for a radio/satellite phone check at some point. The captain also suggests, on two occasions that his crew should board the moving whaling ship from their RIB’s and allow themselves to be taken hostage. On one occasion the people sent aboard the Japanese ship were women, traditionally women are not allowed on Japanese commercial ships. That’s not to mention the crew member who broke the helicopter throwing a MOB line…
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Paddy_N_Murphy
Original Poster
15,128 posts
53 months
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some further thoughts... I did not think the Captain as too bad (big guy with the Beard right ?) The t t with the Bandana and Glasses - f king hell would he drive you up the wall in such close confines. No doubt the "Steve Irwin" Family ( as in the Croc guy) were originally proud his name was used, but I wonder if that is still the case  From a Legal point is boarding someone else's vessel in international waters akin to Piracy? As for purposefully ramming vessels in open arctic waters - sheer bloody lunacy. I can't fathom how a professional skipper (which he must be surely) would entertain it. I learn that the diet on board is Vegan - no wonder they are all "box of bat s t mental" to coin a PH phrase..... Only vaguely sane guy I saw was the Chopper Pilot.
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danyeates
4,345 posts
91 months
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Paddy_N_Murphy said: some further thoughts... I did not think the Captain as too bad (big guy with the Beard right ?) The t t with the Bandana and Glasses - f king hell would he drive you up the wall in such close confines. You haven't watched the whole series yet though! Yeah, he's the captain and he really is that bad! I haven't watched it for a very long time, I think the first time it was shown on Discovery, but I seem the remember the chopper pilot being ok, yeah. I think he is one of the people that board the Japanese whaling ship, and yes, they do get questioned by the police for piracy. He was held onboard the Japanese ship for weeks I think. Oh, nearly forgot, (I don't want to spoil the whole series for you!), but a lot of the crew walk out at one point. The chap in charge of navigation gets replaced by someone who has never been on a boat before but has done a last minute course in radar. Quality.
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Not Ideal
1,981 posts
57 months
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I watched one episode of this a while back when they were chasing the Japanese ship with the rib...did seem amateur hour central..!!
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MartG
2,701 posts
73 months
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danyeates said: He was held onboard the Japanese ship for weeks I think. Hopefully being fed nothing but whalemeat the whole time :-)
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IforB
4,949 posts
98 months
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The tw@ who is the supposed first mate, needs smacking in the face with a bit of 2X4. I know it's probably been edited to make him look daft, but even with that in mind he's a muppet of the highest order.
I understand what they are doing and have some respect for them for sticking up for their principles, but how they haven't killed someone yet is quite amazing.
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Legmaster
689 posts
76 months
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I have to agree. Leaving their worthy (IMO) aims aside. The Mate - the officer that takes over should anything happen to Captain is an absolute bell end. On one of the programmes, he was on the wheel steering through ice. The 2nd Mate gave him a course of 220 to steer and his reply was something along the lines of "don't give me a course, it confuses me, just tell me which way to go." As a ship operator, I wouldn't trust him to peel spuds. And watching the Captain put the ship on a collision course is in direct contravention of International Regulations. Some tart seemed in awe of his seamanship skills, just missing the other vessel by inches - no love, he just put your life and everyone else's at risk. The Captain didn't do so well in these clips and should be in jail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXQq78lvKrUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RryWmks5P8Absolute cowboys, I don't look forward to reading the inevitable fatality accident investigation report in the not too distant future...
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Oily Nails
2,602 posts
69 months
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Agreed a bunch of bellends, I don't agree with whaling but you don't go ramming vessels on the high seas!...Where is the French Special Forces with some wrongly set timer explosives?
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Legmaster
689 posts
76 months
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Further to my last post, I found this on the Sea Shepherd site (I'd been searching for official accident reports on the Sea Shepherd, because I find it hard to believe none exist, but then again she has a Dutch flag - which explains a lot and is a whole other thread...). Waiver form for volunteer crew wanting to serve with Sea Shepherd said: I assume any and all risks associated with volunteering with SEA SHEPHERD CONSERVATION SOCIETY, whether on land, at sea, in port, ashore, or enroute to or from any location or vessel, in any capacity in which I might serve.
I agree that I am volunteering with SEA SHEPHERD entirely upon my own initiative, risk and responsibility. I acknowledge that I am a volunteer, everything I do for SEA SHEPHERD is done as a volunteer, and I expect no wages, payment of any other form of compensation for anything I do for SEA SHEPHERD.
I agree for myself, my heirs, executors, and administrators, to release, hold harmless, and forever discharge SEA SHEPHERD, its Board members, supporters, vessels, officers and personnel from any and all claims, demands, actions, causes of action, in law, admiralty or equity, on account of my death, or on account of any injury to me or my property, which may occur from any cause whether on land or at sea, in port, ashore, or enroute to or from any location or vessel.
I take full responsibility for any negligence by me.
I agree that I am fully responsible for payment of all medical expenses and other damages arising if I am injured or become ill while volunteering, whether on or off a SEA SHEPHERD vessel.
I acknowledge and understand completely that activity with SEA SHEPHERD, whether at sea, in port, ashore, or enroute to or from any location or vessel, is inherently dangerous, and cannot be made safe even with the exercise of the greatest degree of care. I further acknowledge that most of the people on the ship will be volunteers who are not professional mariners and who can be expected to make mistakes which may result in injury to me and I will take full responsibility for any injury.
I have read and completely understand the history of the SEA SHEPHERD, including being confronted by armed government forces while the SEA SHEPHERD is in the protection of marine species. I have been fully briefed with written material on how dangerous the SEA SHEPHERD campaigns can be. I have viewed the activities of the SEA SHEPHERD on video and acknowledge that there has been some "glamorization” of SEA SHEPHERD activities, but I took careful note of the actual danger exhibited on the screen. I am ready to put myself in personal danger. I also understand that I am aboard a vessel that possibly carries no insurance policy of any kind.
I understand that once I am onboard the ship I will be briefed on safety and operating procedures (while at sea or in preparation for). Any time I have a question or am uncomfortable, I will address my concerns to an officer of the ship. I agree to follow the orders of the Captain, Officer(s) and/or the Port Manager. No exact mention of the Captain and Officers deliberately trying to kill me, but not far off! The bold bits I've highlighted as being surely illegal. I'm not a maritime lawyer, but I don't think you can't sign a waiver against the neglegence of others (even if you do it doesn't stand up in a court of law). Also the most basic insurance cover must apply. PS please don't get me started on the Deadliest Catch lot...
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6655321
67,822 posts
124 months
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These guys are nothing but eco-terrorists. I've watched the show, and it is so ridiculously narrated, and no-one on the show obviously notices the hypocrisy. Throwing what boils down to f king dangerous things on a vessel, (the slippery stuff, as well as the stuff that stings the eyes), and then they act all surprised, and amazed when the whaling ships respond. They should be taken to shore and f king jailed. As someone who works at sea, these guys are an amazing disgrace. How on earth the captain keeps their tickets I don't know.
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Monki
1,233 posts
60 months
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6655321 said: These guys are nothing but eco-terrorists. I've watched the show, and it is so ridiculously narrated, and no-one on the show obviously notices the hypocrisy. Throwing what boils down to f king dangerous things on a vessel, (the slippery stuff, as well as the stuff that stings the eyes), and then they act all surprised, and amazed when the whaling ships respond. They should be taken to shore and f king jailed. As someone who works at sea, these guys are an amazing disgrace. How on earth the captain keeps their tickets I don't know. I guess you are referring to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clI0kmTWKYsI thought the same, they think they're allowed to throw objects at the whalers but then act surprised when objects are thrown back.....numpties  " The Captain has been shot!" 
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Paddy_N_Murphy
Original Poster
15,128 posts
53 months
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Legmaster said: Waiver form for volunteer crew wanting to serve with Sea Shepherd said: Essentially anything happens because we , you, and your comrades are f kwits, means tough titties  Legmaster said: PS please don't get me started on the Deadliest Catch lot...
Go on..... am all ears. I personally don't mind that lot - at least they (usually) have experience on their side.
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6655321
67,822 posts
124 months
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Paddy_N_Murphy said: Legmaster said: PS please don't get me started on the Deadliest Catch lot...
Go on..... am all ears. I personally don't mind that lot - at least they (usually) have experience on their side. It is so 'dangerous' because they are a bunch of cowboys... Nothing more, nothing less.
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Mastiff
1,818 posts
110 months
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6655321 said: Paddy_N_Murphy said: Legmaster said: PS please don't get me started on the Deadliest Catch lot...
Go on..... am all ears. I personally don't mind that lot - at least they (usually) have experience on their side. It is so 'dangerous' because they are a bunch of cowboys... Nothing more, nothing less. Curious here too... I like Deadliest Catch (although will admit to knowing less than f k all about boats, I get sick in a bath fer chrissake). They all seem to have been doing it for years, and appear to do a very dangerous job as safely as possible under the circumstances. Is it all nonsense then?
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6655321
67,822 posts
124 months
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Mastiff said: 6655321 said: Paddy_N_Murphy said: Legmaster said: PS please don't get me started on the Deadliest Catch lot...
Go on..... am all ears. I personally don't mind that lot - at least they (usually) have experience on their side. It is so 'dangerous' because they are a bunch of cowboys... Nothing more, nothing less. Curious here too... I like Deadliest Catch (although will admit to knowing less than f k all about boats, I get sick in a bath fer chrissake). They all seem to have been doing it for years, and appear to do a very dangerous job as safely as possible under the circumstances. Is it all nonsense then? No, it's not nonsense at all. What you see is what they do, even if they do over dramatise it. However, it is the basic safety they severely lack in. You seldom see a lifejacket, (and yes, you can get small lifejackets, we use them when working on the back deck), and for a small boat, their equipment is far too easily thrown around the deck. It is dangerous because they make it dangerous, not the other way round, especially with the equipment available today.
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Munter
23,672 posts
110 months
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6655321 said: Mastiff said: 6655321 said: Paddy_N_Murphy said: Legmaster said: PS please don't get me started on the Deadliest Catch lot...
Go on..... am all ears. I personally don't mind that lot - at least they (usually) have experience on their side. It is so 'dangerous' because they are a bunch of cowboys... Nothing more, nothing less. Curious here too... I like Deadliest Catch (although will admit to knowing less than f k all about boats, I get sick in a bath fer chrissake). They all seem to have been doing it for years, and appear to do a very dangerous job as safely as possible under the circumstances. Is it all nonsense then? No, it's not nonsense at all. What you see is what they do, even if they do over dramatise it. However, it is the basic safety they severely lack in. You seldom see a lifejacket, (and yes, you can get small lifejackets, we use them when working on the back deck), and for a small boat, their equipment is far too easily thrown around the deck. It is dangerous because they make it dangerous, not the other way round, especially with the equipment available today. Not to mention fatigue. I think I saw an episode where the crew had been on deck for over 24 hours with only 1 or 2 breaks. So tired they could hardly respond to questions, yet playing with heavy equipment... Doesn't sound safe to me. Back on topic I don't agree with whaling. But if you were the whalers wouldn't you just fire a few RPGs into the other boat? I mean it can't be that hard to buy them in international waters etc... 
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markmullen
12,377 posts
103 months
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Monki said: 6655321 said: These guys are nothing but eco-terrorists. I've watched the show, and it is so ridiculously narrated, and no-one on the show obviously notices the hypocrisy. Throwing what boils down to f king dangerous things on a vessel, (the slippery stuff, as well as the stuff that stings the eyes), and then they act all surprised, and amazed when the whaling ships respond. They should be taken to shore and f king jailed. As someone who works at sea, these guys are an amazing disgrace. How on earth the captain keeps their tickets I don't know. I guess you are referring to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clI0kmTWKYsI thought the same, they think they're allowed to throw objects at the whalers but then act surprised when objects are thrown back.....numpties " The Captain has been shot!" The guy with the flashbangs is a bit handy with them, bloody good throws them.
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6655321
67,822 posts
124 months
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It's so unfair! They are throwing things at us! 
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Paddy_N_Murphy
Original Poster
15,128 posts
53 months
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Watched those 'Ramming' clips on YouTube. f king Mental. As you say, how on earth can someone with a Captains Ticket actually think it is a good thing to ram another boat - never mind that it is in Artic waters and more than likely to end up with themselves worse off? O/T could the Harpoon be used in anger by the Whalers to any good effect on the Steve Irwin. Below the water line for example I can just imagine that furore....
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