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Edinburger
2,327 posts
37 months
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Wombat3 said: Another daft comparison. The Soviet Union was hardly a democracy in the first place.
Your assertion is that something that affects everyone in this country - and there is currently only ONE country - should be determined by less than 8% of the population. At the same time you also propose that a significant number of 1st Generation Scots should also be disenfranchised. What's the reason for that? Nothing logistical is of any relevance or can not be overcome.
Its Gerrymandering extraordinaire. If that's how you feel then raise the issue with your MP and/or the electoral commission.
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Rollin
2,249 posts
114 months
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Edinburger said: Wombat3 said: Another daft comparison. The Soviet Union was hardly a democracy in the first place.
Your assertion is that something that affects everyone in this country - and there is currently only ONE country - should be determined by less than 8% of the population. At the same time you also propose that a significant number of 1st Generation Scots should also be disenfranchised. What's the reason for that? Nothing logistical is of any relevance or can not be overcome.
Its Gerrymandering extraordinaire. If that's how you feel then raise the issue with your MP and/or the electoral commission. How about you give your opinion?
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Wombat3
5,192 posts
75 months
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Rollin said: Edinburger said: Wombat3 said: Another daft comparison. The Soviet Union was hardly a democracy in the first place.
Your assertion is that something that affects everyone in this country - and there is currently only ONE country - should be determined by less than 8% of the population. At the same time you also propose that a significant number of 1st Generation Scots should also be disenfranchised. What's the reason for that? Nothing logistical is of any relevance or can not be overcome.
Its Gerrymandering extraordinaire. If that's how you feel then raise the issue with your MP and/or the electoral commission. How about you give your opinion? He's a Nat, he's not interested in a real result, only the "right" result.
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Edinburger
2,327 posts
37 months
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Rollin said: How about you give your opinion? I've given my opinion in several posts earlier today. This is a Scottish referendum and should be for people who live in and contribute to Scotland to decide.
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Edinburger
2,327 posts
37 months
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Rollin said: How about you give your opinion? I've given my opinion in several posts earlier today. This is a Scottish referendum and should be for people who live in and contribute to Scotland to decide.
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BliarOut
53,511 posts
108 months
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Edinburger said: Rollin said: How about you give your opinion? I've given my opinion in several posts earlier today. This is a Scottish referendum and should be for people who live in and contribute to Scotland to decide. It's a vote about the Union, people who live in it should decide...
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Edinburger
2,327 posts
37 months
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Wombat3 said: He's a Nat, he's not interested in a real result, only the "right" result. I'm actually undecided on independence as I've said before on this thread, but I am sure that it's a decision for people who live in Scotland to make.
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Edinburger
2,327 posts
37 months
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Wombat3 said: He's a Nat, he's not interested in a real result, only the "right" result. I'm actually undecided on independence as I've said before on this thread, but I am sure that it's a decision for people who live in Scotland to make.
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Edinburger
2,327 posts
37 months
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BliarOut said: It's a vote about the Union, people who live in it should decide... It's a vote primarily about the future of Scotland.
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BliarOut
53,511 posts
108 months
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Edinburger said: BliarOut said: It's a vote about the Union, people who live in it should decide... It's a vote primarily about the future of Scotland. It affects the whole Union.
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Sheets Tabuer
12,144 posts
84 months
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I'm pretty sure almost every country that has a poll makes provision for people living outside of its borders to vote. Why shouldn't Scotland?
I have a large amount of Scots as relatives (through marriage) living in England, I'd like to think they have a chance to vote on the future of their homeland.
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Wombat3
5,192 posts
75 months
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Sheets Tabuer said: I'm pretty sure almost every country that has a poll makes provision for people living outside of its borders to vote. Why shouldn't Scotland?
I have a large amount of Scots as relatives (through marriage) living in England, I'd like to think they have a chance to vote on the future of their homeland. They will be denied it & the only reason for that is that they may have a wider & less parrochial view on life & the world in general - which means they are less likely to vote for independence.
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Edinburger
2,327 posts
37 months
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Sheets Tabuer said: I'm pretty sure almost every country that has a poll makes provision for people living outside of its borders to vote. Why shouldn't Scotland?
I have a large amount of Scots as relatives (through marriage) living in England, I'd like to think they have a chance to vote on the future of their homeland. They've chosen to leave their homeland. Did they vote in today's council elections? Did they vote in the last general election? No? So why should they get to vote in the referendum. You see, if expats and the like were given a vote then where would it end? Second, third, fourth generation Scots in Australia and USA? Sean Connery in his tax haven? A line has to be drawn and the sensible line is that people who live in and contribute to Scotland should surely vote on its future.
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Wombat3
5,192 posts
75 months
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Edinburger said: They've chosen to leave their homeland. Did they vote in today's council elections? Did they vote in the last general election? No? So why should they get to vote in the referendum.
You see, if expats and the like were given a vote then where would it end? Second, third, fourth generation Scots in Australia and USA? Sean Connery in his tax haven?
A line has to be drawn and the sensible line is that people who live in and contribute to Scotland should surely vote on its future. No, a sensible line is people who have (or are entitled to) a UK passport and who either live in or were born in Scotland. Its not hard.
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Sheets Tabuer
12,144 posts
84 months
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Oh absolutely, the ones living in England are quite vocal against it, less so than the ones that visit from Scotland though.
A few weeks ago my dad had his 30th wedding anniversary, I've never heard so many insults in one language for AS as I did that night.
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Edinburger
2,327 posts
37 months
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Wombat3 said: They will be denied it & the only reason for that is that they may have a wider & less parrochial view on life & the world in general - which means they are less likely to vote for independence. That's a stupid comment, in my view.
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Edinburger
2,327 posts
37 months
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Wombat3 said: No, a sensible line is people who have a UK passport and either live in or were born in Scotland. Its not hard. Why should people who chose to leave Scotland retain the right to vote on its future?
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Wombat3
5,192 posts
75 months
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Edinburger said: Wombat3 said: They will be denied it & the only reason for that is that they may have a wider & less parrochial view on life & the world in general - which means they are less likely to vote for independence. That's a stupid comment, in my view. Fine , then what is the real, serious and democratic reason for this Gerrymandering?
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Wombat3
5,192 posts
75 months
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Edinburger said: Wombat3 said: No, a sensible line is people who have a UK passport and either live in or were born in Scotland. Its not hard. Why should people who chose to leave Scotland retain the right to vote on its future? Because the fact that they are not currently in Scotland does not mean they are not Scots and that ultimately they may consider it to be their home and have every intention of returning at some point. Would you deny them a Scottish passport?
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Sheets Tabuer
12,144 posts
84 months
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But a UK citizen can vote from abroad in a general election or referendum, as can most citizens from other countries around the world.
Did the lines of French people voting in London the other day pass people by?
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