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ViperPict

8,448 posts

106 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
Tory-boy - first paragraph:

"Despite the economy being mired in a double-dip recession, and despite battalions of economists urging opposite policies."
Who are these battalians of economists? In fact can you point to any sane, respected economist who thinks that increasing government spending is what we need?
You've got your blinkers on again...
Why are you postulating about economics again, you've told us several times over you don't understand it! rolleyes
You are correct, I am not an expert. But I regard the opinion of someone who has published an article on the subject more than I do that of some biased keyboard warriors.

TheHeretic

68,270 posts

124 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
You are correct, I am not an expert. But I regard the opinion of someone who has published an article on the subject more than I do that of some biased keyboard warriors.
Oh... For a moment there I thought you had postulated an opinion based on that article in relation to Scottish independence. As the article did not specify any alternative economic polices I figured you would have some on mind...


It seems I was wrong.

Wombat3

5,192 posts

75 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
Tory-boy - first paragraph:

"Despite the economy being mired in a double-dip recession, and despite battalions of economists urging opposite policies."
Who are these battalians of economists? In fact can you point to any sane, respected economist who thinks that increasing government spending is what we need?
You've got your blinkers on again...
Why are you postulating about economics again, you've told us several times over you don't understand it! rolleyes
You are correct, I am not an expert. But I regard the opinion of someone who has published an article on the subject more than I do that of some biased keyboard warriors.
rofl because of course nobody who writes for the Guardian (or any other newspaper) is in the least bit biased

and of course everything in the newspapers is true...

And lastly, I imagine he wrote his article on a wordprocessor....


.....using a err, keyboard! wink



ViperPict

8,448 posts

106 months

[news] 
Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
Tory-boy - first paragraph:

"Despite the economy being mired in a double-dip recession, and despite battalions of economists urging opposite policies."
Who are these battalians of economists? In fact can you point to any sane, respected economist who thinks that increasing government spending is what we need?
You've got your blinkers on again...
Why are you postulating about economics again, you've told us several times over you don't understand it! rolleyes
You are correct, I am not an expert. But I regard the opinion of someone who has published an article on the subject more than I do that of some biased keyboard warriors.
rofl because of course nobody who writes for the Guardian (or any other newspaper) is in the least bit biased

and of course everything in the newspapers is true...

And lastly, I imagine he wrote his article on a wordprocessor....


.....using a err, keyboard! wink
Regardless of factors implying a less than completely objective stance on the linked article (which article is not without a degree of bias, even academic ones?), it STILL carries much more water than yours...

ViperPict

8,448 posts

106 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
TheHeretic said:
ViperPict said:
You are correct, I am not an expert. But I regard the opinion of someone who has published an article on the subject more than I do that of some biased keyboard warriors.
Oh... For a moment there I thought you had postulated an opinion based on that article in relation to Scottish independence. As the article did not specify any alternative economic polices I figured you would have some on mind...


It seems I was wrong.
Of course you do know how this is relevant to Scottish independence. The get out option from the Tories badly planned and implemented austerity economics...
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TheHeretic

68,270 posts

124 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
Of course you do know how this is relevant to Scottish independence. The get out option from the Tories badly planned and implemented austerity economics...
You are doing it again. How are they badly planned. And badly implemented? What are the alternatives, and what do YOU think should happen?

Wombat3

5,192 posts

75 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
Tory-boy - first paragraph:

"Despite the economy being mired in a double-dip recession, and despite battalions of economists urging opposite policies."
Who are these battalians of economists? In fact can you point to any sane, respected economist who thinks that increasing government spending is what we need?
You've got your blinkers on again...
Why are you postulating about economics again, you've told us several times over you don't understand it! rolleyes
You are correct, I am not an expert. But I regard the opinion of someone who has published an article on the subject more than I do that of some biased keyboard warriors.
rofl because of course nobody who writes for the Guardian (or any other newspaper) is in the least bit biased

and of course everything in the newspapers is true...

And lastly, I imagine he wrote his article on a wordprocessor....


.....using a err, keyboard! wink
Regardless of factors implying a less than completely objective stance on the linked article (which article is not without a degree of bias, even academic ones?), it STILL carries much more water than yours...
Only in your tiny bonce comrade wink I'm oot - you've got nothing to say of any substance or with any justification that holds water in any way - as per usual.

WhereamI

6,169 posts

86 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
Tory-boy - first paragraph:

"Despite the economy being mired in a double-dip recession, and despite battalions of economists urging opposite policies."
Who are these battalians of economists? In fact can you point to any sane, respected economist who thinks that increasing government spending is what we need?
You've got your blinkers on again...
Why are you postulating about economics again, you've told us several times over you don't understand it! rolleyes
You are correct, I am not an expert. But I regard the opinion of someone who has published an article on the subject more than I do that of some biased keyboard warriors.
OK so how are you referring to? I asked for any sane, respected economist who thinks that increasing spending is the way forwards and nobody has come up with one.

You seem to respect journalists simply because they can get things published, that's staggeringly naive, just because newspaper prints it doesn't make it true,

thinfourth2

23,612 posts

73 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
WhereamI said:
just because newspaper prints it doesn't make it true,



Its in a newspaper it must be true

jbi

5,301 posts

73 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all



WhereamI

6,169 posts

86 months

[news] 
Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
Tory-boy - first paragraph:

"Despite the economy being mired in a double-dip recession, and despite battalions of economists urging opposite policies."
Who are these battalians of economists? In fact can you point to any sane, respected economist who thinks that increasing government spending is what we need?
You've got your blinkers on again...
I've spent quite a lot of my life studying economics, whilst you seem to be into windmills and secret discussions with the SG giving you a unique insight into their policies, I'm into economics. I don't have blinkers on, I'm quite happy to debate the merits of different economic policies but I'm not seeing any. It's easy to criticise policy but you need to put up something as an alternative to be credible and I'm not seeing anything.

TheHeretic

68,270 posts

124 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
He's busy googling.

mcdjl

1,614 posts

64 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
TheHeretic said:
He's busy googling.
What gets me is that in short exchange we had via email VP came across as rational and far more able to intelligently debate a point than he does via the forum.

TheHeretic

68,270 posts

124 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
mcdjl said:
What gets me is that in short exchange we had via email VP came across as rational and far more able to intelligently debate a point than he does via the forum.
Well, maybe when he broaches a subject by linking an article, and making a statement, he should answer simple questions people post in response.

mcdjl

1,614 posts

64 months

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Tuesday 24th July 2012 quote quote all
TheHeretic said:
Well, maybe when he broaches a subject by linking an article, and making a statement, he should answer simple questions people post in response.
I said short exchange!
Though to be fair the point that initiated it had been answered and I suspect he didn't want to get into an email debate

Edinburger

2,327 posts

37 months

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Wednesday 25th July 2012 quote quote all
WhereamI said:
I've spent quite a lot of my life studying economics, whilst you seem to be into windmills and secret discussions with the SG giving you a unique insight into their policies, I'm into economics. I don't have blinkers on, I'm quite happy to debate the merits of different economic policies but I'm not seeing any. It's easy to criticise policy but you need to put up something as an alternative to be credible and I'm not seeing anything.
Okay, so this post instantly gains you respect as you're clearly knowledgeable in economics unlike many posters in this thread - and I include myself in that.

So put an objective hat on and share with us your thoughts on how credible an independent Scotland could be, from an economic point of view.


thinfourth2

23,612 posts

73 months

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Wednesday 25th July 2012 quote quote all
Edinburger said:
Okay, so this post instantly gains you respect as you're clearly knowledgeable in economics unlike many posters in this thread - and I include myself in that.

So put an objective hat on and share with us your thoughts on how credible an independent Scotland could be, from an economic point of view.
No point

Any argument that states anything other then this time next year we will be millionaires is immidately shouted down as evil tory properganda


thinfourth2

23,612 posts

73 months

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Wednesday 25th July 2012 quote quote all
ViperPict said:
Of course you do know how this is relevant to Scottish independence. The get out option from the Tories badly planned and implemented austerity economics...
Yet again we see your number 1 reason for independance is to get away from the tories


God i hope you aren't the average Scottish voter

If you are

We're fked

Edited by thinfourth2 on Wednesday 25th July 11:23

ViperPict

8,448 posts

106 months

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Wednesday 25th July 2012 quote quote all

The SG again leading the UK in forward thinking policy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Just imagine how great independence will be! biggrin

WhereamI

6,169 posts

86 months

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Wednesday 25th July 2012 quote quote all
Edinburger said:
WhereamI said:
I've spent quite a lot of my life studying economics, whilst you seem to be into windmills and secret discussions with the SG giving you a unique insight into their policies, I'm into economics. I don't have blinkers on, I'm quite happy to debate the merits of different economic policies but I'm not seeing any. It's easy to criticise policy but you need to put up something as an alternative to be credible and I'm not seeing anything.
Okay, so this post instantly gains you respect as you're clearly knowledgeable in economics unlike many posters in this thread - and I include myself in that.

So put an objective hat on and share with us your thoughts on how credible an independent Scotland could be, from an economic point of view.
I'm not after respect and certainly wouldn't expect any from posting on a web forum.

The economic negatives of independence have been done to death on here. Higher interest rates, capital flight, no control over currency, over-reliance on oil and so on.

The economic positives? Well out of the box there aren't any, in other words there is nothing about being independent that automatically puts Scotland into a better place.

The arguments in favour of independence from an economic perspective all lie in what a Scottish Government could do. For example it could adjust corporation tax rates to attract companies to Scotland. It could direct spending into areas that will help sectors of the economy develop, and so on. And of course changes in circumstances that impact Scotland would have a bigger effect - an obvious one being if you think oil revenues will rise then holding that all in Scotland would obviously benefit Scotland more than if it is for the whole UK.

In the context of the original post, of course an independent Scotland might be able to take an alternative path to the UK and not cut public spending, something on which the Guardian thinks that battalions of economists agree. However this is nonsense, an independent Scotland will already face higher interest rates and a Government that shows no understanding of the need to cut expenditure is one that is going to face problems borrowing. Independence is more likely to lead to higher cuts in public spending simply because of the need to contain borrowing costs.
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