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Tartan Pixie
593 posts
16 months
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As always, interesting posts from all. With regards to media: Russian coverage of Spanish protestsBig pictures showing the scale of dissatisfaction, especially the last one. The word millions included in the headline. Ability for the public to post comments. British coverage of Spanish protestsSingle close in photo making it look like a few nutters on the street corner. No mention in the body text of the scale of dissatisfaction. No public comments allowed. Though if it was problems in Russia I suspect the spin would be the other way around 
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LongQ
8,837 posts
102 months
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AndrewW-G said: Globs said: Some people even think the politicians they can actually vote for give a s  t!! Historically, the only time most politicians really do give a s  t, is when they can hear the mob approaching, to string them up from the nearest lamppost . . . . .I guess we'll find out within the next year or so, if we'll get to this extreme "re-calibration" of politics Unlikely. Have you noticed how all the useful lamp posts have been 'upgraded' to H&S friendly versions in recent years?
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loafer123
2,695 posts
84 months
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Tartan Pixie said: As always, interesting posts from all. With regards to media: Russian coverage of Spanish protestsBig pictures showing the scale of dissatisfaction, especially the last one. The word millions included in the headline. Ability for the public to post comments. British coverage of Spanish protestsSingle close in photo making it look like a few nutters on the street corner. No mention in the body text of the scale of dissatisfaction. No public comments allowed. Though if it was problems in Russia I suspect the spin would be the other way around  Given the diatribe article about the Bildeberg group linked on the same page, I think we can take "rt" with a pinch of salt...
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Globs
11,747 posts
100 months
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loafer123 said: Given the diatribe article about the Bildeberg group linked on the same page, I think we can take "rt" with a pinch of salt... Take Russia Today with a pinch of salt? Save some spoonfuls of salt for our own press, they need it far more than RT.
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Mst007
452 posts
91 months
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One of the comments to the article has it right though, outlaw interest from sovereign banks. I really dont understand why the taxpayer works so hard to pay interest to privately owned banks who create the money from thin air.
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LongQ
8,837 posts
102 months
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Mst007 said: One of the comments to the article has it right though, outlaw interest from sovereign banks. I really dont understand why the taxpayer works so hard to pay interest to privately owned banks who create the money from thin air. It's so we can have 'free' personal bank accounts.
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stripy7
486 posts
56 months
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Euro Bank run reaches Sweden t.co/kmigDnih
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Steffan
6,187 posts
97 months
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stripy7 said: Euro Bank run reaches Sweden t.co/kmigDnih Very interesting. Any chance of a link please?
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stripy7
486 posts
56 months
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Steffan
6,187 posts
97 months
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stripy7 said: Thank you. Very interesting. The fact is that this is rapidly developing into the Euro Bank and currency crisis in addition to the inevitable HBAT's defaults. As we all know on PH the reality is that the Sovereign states crisis and Banking crisis are two halves of the same disaster. Only in Euro La La land could an insolvent Sovereign state, Spain, seriously propose, rescuing the insolvent Spanish Bank Bankia, with Euro La La money from the Fairies at the ECB. This just ensures that the ECB/Euro/Spain and Bankia are all in the brown stuff when Spain and Bankia fail. Which they will. Shortly. This really is just smoke and mirrors. There is just no real substance to these "Rescue" attempts whatsoever. There is absolutely no future in any of this. The pathetic attempts of the IMF, ECB, EU leaders and all the other vested interests to pretend that all is well and salvation is just around the corner, just serves to underline, the abhorrent dishonesty, at the heart of all this appalling mess. Spreading far and wide in the EU as stripy's post confirms. Layer on layer of consequences falling upon the Euro and the EU. It really is becoming difficult to establish where this will end. I have suggested before that a Northern European grouping with Germany at the centre seems as very likely future for the EU to me. I cannot see any of the HBAT's recovering and, as DJRC reminds us, France is toast with the French Banks exposure. I can see major changes to the entire European structure and Banking across Europe coming from this. Not a moment too soon, by the look of things on here.
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bosscerbera
8,050 posts
112 months
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Steffan said: I can see major changes to the entire European structure and Banking across Europe coming from this. Not a moment too soon, by the look of things on here. The necessary profound changes have global implications.
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hornetrider
40,774 posts
74 months
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Tartan Pixie
593 posts
16 months
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Steffan said: Spreading far and wide in the EU as stripy's post confirms. Layer on layer of consequences falling upon the Euro and the EU. It really is becoming difficult to establish where this will end. One of the big problems of leverage is that while it may amplify gains it also amplifies losses. Spain was overvalued as a country, allowing it to build massive projects using magic beans, however the lever is now pushing the other way, massively undervaluing the country. The economic data tells us that Spain is worthless, in fact less than worthless as it could be considered already in default. Back in reality, Spain's people, land, assets and goods have an inherent value, one far too great to ignore. There's every chance large numbers of people will end up homeless while houses lie empty, as is already starting to happen. In such a situation there will be no option but to build a new economic system. As you say no one knows where it will end, though in the event of total economic collapse you can guarantee that churches will be at the forefront of keeping people fed, along with those longtime strange bedfellows, communists and anarchists. Some googling turned up this article on alternative currencies. The fringes of society are already dabbling with with new (or some would argue old) tenets upon which to build an economic system. As much as I'd love to see a new economic system the forces of political radicalization are dangerous ones to let lose. Perhaps something like bitcoin will step in as the savior though that's hard to see in its current form. This is of course looking far in to the weird edges of the crystal ball. loafer123 said: Given the diatribe article about the Bildeberg group linked on the same page, I think we can take "rt" with a pinch of salt... All the pinches of salt required for the global media is more than you'd find in all the oceans of the world, or one mcdonalds healthy salad.
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GBB
1,645 posts
28 months
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AndrewW-G said: Historically, the only time most politicians really do give a s  t, is when they can hear the mob approaching, to string them up from the nearest lamppost . . . . .I guess we'll find out within the next year or so, if we'll get to this extreme "re-calibration" of politics I'm suprised that someone, somewhere has yet to see fit to carry out a bit of "retribution". I'm sure it will come.
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Mst007
452 posts
91 months
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Steffan
6,187 posts
97 months
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Mst007 said: Iceland had an exceptionally high profile amongst the Sovereign States that failed in the last banking crisis. Probably because the sheer level of unsupported debt, absumed by the country, was simply breathtaking when exposed to public view in the glaring publicity that highlighted the nonsense. There was never any hope of a country with the tiny population and very limited resources of Iceland repaying any of this debt, created in a blind rush for mad expansion, by Icelandic Banks. Uncontrolled Bank lending ruined Iceland. We can now`see the parallel in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy, exposed by the glaring publicity of the Euro crisis. The end result will be the same, for the HBAT's. Dishonest EU politicians will spin this out over a longer period. But default for ALL these states is absolutely inevitable. That is crystal clear to all observers now. It really this has become a matter of time. And Billions of wasted Euro's, supplied in good faith by the EU taxpayers, have been thrown away by feckless EU politicians. The EU taxpayers deserve much better. The time is approaching for the most serious realignment of the Sovereign states of Europe in the last 50 years. The consequences will be horrendous for the defaulters and seriously damaging for the rest of Europe. I sincerely hope that the UK will come out relatively unscathed. There will be an opportunity for the UK to strengthen its position across the board of Europe. Given the children in charge of our country, I do not think we likely to take the opportunity. We can but hope.
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Seek
392 posts
69 months
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18216307BBC said: In the interview published on Friday, the International Monetary Fund head said: "As far as Athens is concerned, I also think about all those people who are trying to escape tax all the time. All these people in Greece who are trying to escape tax.
"I think they should also help themselves collectively," Ms Lagarde said.
She added: "I think more of the little kids from a school in a little village in Niger who get teaching two hours a day, sharing one chair for three of them, and who are very keen to get an education. I have them in my mind all the time.
"Because I think they need even more help than the people in Athens."
And when asked if she was saying to the Greeks and other European nations that they had had a nice time and it was now payback time, Ms Lagarde responded: "That's right
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Apache
38,242 posts
153 months
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Steffan said: I sincerely hope that the UK will come out relatively unscathed. There will be an opportunity for the UK to strengthen its position across the board of Europe. Given the children in charge of our country, I do not think we likely to take the opportunity. We can but hope. I thought that, the first time you said this, it was unlikely that our 'leaders' would see the advantage and make the most of it. The expression involving a bucket of tits and coming out sucking ones thumb springs to mind
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Globs
11,747 posts
100 months
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Mst007 said: I really dont understand why the taxpayer works so hard to pay interest to privately owned banks who create the money from thin air. Because the bankers set up the system we use, and it transfers all of our wealth to them. It it didn't, they'd still just have bits of paper and we'd be far far (far) richer. About 50x richer IMO. ETA: It's the bankers or us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...
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LongQ
8,837 posts
102 months
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GBB said: AndrewW-G said: Historically, the only time most politicians really do give a s  t, is when they can hear the mob approaching, to string them up from the nearest lamppost . . . . .I guess we'll find out within the next year or so, if we'll get to this extreme "re-calibration" of politics I'm suprised that someone, somewhere has yet to see fit to carry out a bit of "retribution". I'm sure it will come. There are certain parts of 'Europe' that have recent history to suggest such an approach would be well within their remit. However they are not currently central to or directly involved with the problem. Should the storm come to envelope them I'm fairly sure they could set an example.
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