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Guam
15,464 posts
137 months
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IainT said: Easier test?
Cheaper?
Avoiding a DUI?
Used to live there? All good thoughts  I wondered if neighbouring states might be more the cause and what was happening there. Second Homes in Vermont occurred to me as a possibility, Alabama could well be DUI My good friend there might know, I will give him a call later tonight to find out. Cheers
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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Guam said: Jim any thooughts on Why Vermont and Alabama would have more licences than population?
Is there a reason why people from out of state might choose those States for a second licence?
Always curious about anomalies like that <statistically speaking>
Cheers All manner of reasons. The likely one is that people move out of state and fail to obtain a new license for that state(which is required by law actually). When population is counted it fails to match the number of licenses shown as still active in that state.
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Guam
15,464 posts
137 months
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Jimbeaux said: All manner of reasons. The likely one is that people move out of state and fail to obtain a new license for that state(which is required by law actually). When population is counted it fails to match the number of licenses shown as still active in that state. Wasnt aware of that Law thanks for the info <useful to kmow> Back on track I reckon a detached reviewer of that data would accept, that with 891.1 weighted average nationally per 1000 population, qualifies my assertion "Most" as proven then
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Strangely Brown
7,055 posts
100 months
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IainT said: Guam said: On the bigger issue of the principle of ID cards, I have never understood the objection to them, as we all know if you want to drive now in this country you need a photo licence and I think <IIRC> the same is true in the US.
In Europe nost countries use photo IDS so really whats the big deal? The issue here was mainly a cost thing I from memory?
As an afterthought, those poor in the US who recieve some form of welfare, how do they prove who they are in order to collect the cheque? Not a question I ever asked anyone over there? I agree - I don't see the issue. My wife (a Swede) was surprised by all the furore here over ID cards - she couldn't see why so many were opposed. The objection is one of mission creep. Once you have a National ID card, you will be required to produce it to obtain steadily more services. The next step will be to make it compulsory to carry it and produce it on demand. "Ihre papiere, bitte!" Anyone who believes that would not happen is seriously deluded and/or incredibly naive. Edit to add O/T tag.
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jeff m2
961 posts
20 months
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Jimbeaux said: Guam said: Jim any thooughts on Why Vermont and Alabama would have more licences than population?
Is there a reason why people from out of state might choose those States for a second licence?
Always curious about anomalies like that <statistically speaking>
Cheers All manner of reasons. The likely one is that people move out of state and fail to obtain a new license for that state(which is required by law actually). When population is counted it fails to match the number of licenses shown as still active in that state. Some States have much cheaper car insurance so by maintaining a driving lic of that State and a suitable address of a friend for registering the car lots of $s can be saved esp if you live in NY or NJ. With regard to some form of ID for voting to prevent the recurrance of an Acorn like voter fraud. The argument against it is that it will prevent African Americans from voting. This is a political argument period. It will affect the bottom 5% equally, black or white. This demographic are not exactly considered all that active with regard to civic duty  It has been argued however that the elderly will be inconvenienced somewhat and they have a much better appearance record than the former. Another thing that matters.......If you turn up with an ID to vote and you have outstanding warrants you could end up in custody Possibly why some like the no id/anon method.
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Famous Graham
26,537 posts
94 months
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jeff m2 said: Jimbeaux said: Guam said: Jim any thooughts on Why Vermont and Alabama would have more licences than population?
Is there a reason why people from out of state might choose those States for a second licence?
Always curious about anomalies like that <statistically speaking>
Cheers All manner of reasons. The likely one is that people move out of state and fail to obtain a new license for that state(which is required by law actually). When population is counted it fails to match the number of licenses shown as still active in that state. Some States have much cheaper car insurance so by maintaining a driving lic of that State and a suitable address of a friend for registering the car lots of $s can be saved esp if you live in NY or NJ. This. My colleague's car, and her licence, are still registered to her parents' address in NC (or maybe it's her old address in Philly, can't remember). Whichever it is, it's because of the difference in insurance between there and Boston. She'd probably get stuffed by the insco if they looked into it on the basis of a claim, mind. ETA Jimbeaux said: The likely one is that people move out of state and fail to obtain a new license for that state(which is required by law actually). Sure that's not a state regulation rather than federal? I've been eligible to drive on my UK licence for a year, and only then do I need to endure enjoy the delights of the MA RMV. I appreciate that's a slightly different proposition to citizens moving internally, though.
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Guam
15,464 posts
137 months
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jeff m2 said: Some States have much cheaper car insurance so by maintaining a driving lic of that State and a suitable address of a friend for registering the car lots of $s can be saved esp if you live in NY or NJ. With regard to some form of ID for voting to prevent the recurrance of an Acorn like voter fraud. The argument against it is that it will prevent African Americans from voting. This is a political argument period. It will affect the bottom 5% equally, black or white. This demographic are not exactly considered all that active with regard to civic duty It has been argued however that the elderly will be inconvenienced somewhat and they have a much better appearance record than the former. Another thing that matters.......If you turn up with an ID to vote and you have outstanding warrants you could end up in custody Possibly why some like the no id/anon method. Interesting I put NY's low numbers as probably down to available mass transit and work week commuters never considered the Insurance issue Thanks
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jeff m2
961 posts
20 months
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Famous Graham said: Sure that's not a state regulation rather than federal? I've been eligible to drive on my UK licence for a year, and only then do I need to endure enjoy the delights of the MA RMV. I appreciate that's a slightly different proposition to citizens moving internally, though.
The Dept of Homeland Security have a hand in the Driving lic issue and renewal. So although they are State issued the Fed Gov have a big input. I would not wait until day 364 to get a MA lic. For Immigrants it is actually a lot easier to "tot up" the required number of points as we have a passport or green card and a brand new SS card. Americans often need to get birth certs and maybe copies of marriage certs and divorce decrees to get their total up.
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league67
336 posts
72 months
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turbobloke said: league67 said: As always, your posts are completely unbiased by your political views. Have a very good day . Well spotted. Asking questions rather than making claims was a clear enough sign. If people see fit to question a nominee's speech, why would they not see fit to question a 'factcheck' website which uses weasel words? As to what they sayabout themselves, what would you expect them to say? If they give the same treatment to BO speeches then they are at least equally bad. Your post was no better than the 'factcheck' content, though it had the benefit of unintentional irony. Have a nice day yourself There is general consensus in the media that the speech was s  t and factually incorrect. Even openly biased Fox. What does that tell you? All of them are wrong? Are they all using 'weasel words'? To me, Fox contribution sounded more like badger words. (Not implying anything, just asking the question.) Substance over packaging, every time. Comparing my post to independent website is ok too. If they are scrutinizing both sides, that to me shows at least semblance of impartiality. I do understand that that concept is foreign to you. If you remove those blinkers, once in a while, you might be surprised by the views available. Or maybe not. I'll respectfully leave you to increase your impressive number of mostly lets-whine-about-something posts. (Those sound like panda words to me, but I could be wrong, I'm no expert). Bless.
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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Here is an example of a state giving a free voter ID: Georgia's Voter Identification Card If you do not have one of the six acceptable forms of photo ID, the State of Georgia offers a FREE Voter Identification Card. An identification card can be issued at any county registrar's office or Department of Driver Services Office free of charge. To Receive a voter identification card, the voter must provide: A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth Documentation showing the voter's date of birth Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address http://www.sos.georgia.gov/gaphotoid/default.htm
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Countdown
6,378 posts
65 months
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So - 4 forms of separate ID in order to vote. Not difficult at all 
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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Countdown said: So - 4 forms of separate ID in order to vote. Not difficult at all One of those, including a non-photo ID with a full name on it. Those are to be had at every corner gas station/check-cashing operation. There are other state examples as well, go look 'em up. I was told it is not about ID but about cost; well, this is free. So, now we are going to shift to another point? 
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toppstuff
8,388 posts
116 months
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Jimbeaux said: Easy fix. IDs are issued at the state level. Free state IDs for all. problem solved, no national ID; Job done. And would that really make a difference? I think free state ID's is a great idea. I am all for it. But would'nt the nutters still see it a subversive plot to enslave them? For example, would they be compulsory? Would anyone have the right to decline? If they did, would they lose the right to vote? And if they did refuse to sign up to what they see as a step toward government mind control, would the State Rangers be sent in to enforce the system? I bet that would go down really well. It is a great idea. But I fear it would create more problems than it solves.. But you are of course in a better position to judge than this rural Brit living in a field surrounded with cows.
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Guam
15,464 posts
137 months
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Jimbeaux said: One of those, including a non-photo ID with a full name on it. Those are to be had at every corner gas station/check-cashing operation. There are other state examples as well, go look 'em up. I was told it is not about ID but about cost; well, this is free. So, now we are going to shift to another point? That was how I read it Jim, perhaps you need to spell it out more and insert OR at every line for those that cant draw a logical conclusion in future
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Countdown
6,378 posts
65 months
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Jimbeaux said: Countdown said: So - 4 forms of separate ID in order to vote. Not difficult at all One of those, including a non-photo ID with a full name on it. According to your link it has to be one of the APPROVED forms of photo ID or ALL of the above Jimbeaux's link said: What IDs are acceptable?
Any valid state or federal government issued photo ID, including a FREE Voter ID Card issued by your county registrar's office or the Georgia Department of Driver Services (DDS)
A Georgia Driver's License, even if expired
Valid employee photo ID from any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. Government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority or other entity of this state
Valid U.S. passport ID
Valid U.S. military photo ID
Valid tribal photo ID
Georgia's Voter Identification Card
If you do not have one of the six acceptable forms of photo ID, the State of Georgia offers a FREE Voter Identification Card. An identification card can be issued at any county registrar's office or Department of Driver Services Office free of charge.
To Receive a voter identification card, the voter must provide:
A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth
Documentation showing the voter's date of birth
Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter
Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address If an experienced DHS bod like yourself is confused it doesn't bode well for mere mortals. ETA I'm assuming my UK birth certificate or my passport or my photo drivers license or even all 3 won't entitle me to a Georgia Voter ID card?
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Guam
15,464 posts
137 months
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toppstuff said: And would that really make a difference? I think free state ID's is a great idea. I am all for it. But would'nt the nutters still see it a subversive plot to enslave them? For example, would they be compulsory? Would anyone have the right to decline? If they did, would they lose the right to vote? And if they did refuse to sign up to what they see as a step toward government mind control, would the State Rangers be sent in to enforce the system? I bet that would go down really well. It is a great idea. But I fear it would create more problems than it solves.. But you are of course in a better position to judge than this rural Brit living in a field surrounded with cows. To be fair would the nutjob militia types bother to vote or protest ID's? as that would put them on the Radar of the man I thought they lived in the back of beyond in armed compounds marrying cousins and such <not forgetting taking Banjo lessons>
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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toppstuff said: Jimbeaux said: Easy fix. IDs are issued at the state level. Free state IDs for all. problem solved, no national ID; Job done. And would that really make a difference? I think free state ID's is a great idea. I am all for it. But would'nt the nutters still see it a subversive plot to enslave them? For example, would they be compulsory? Would anyone have the right to decline? If they did, would they lose the right to vote? And if they did refuse to sign up to what they see as a step toward government mind control, would the State Rangers be sent in to enforce the system? I bet that would go down really well. It is a great idea. But I fear it would create more problems than it solves.. But you are of course in a better position to judge than this rural Brit living in a field surrounded with cows. No, not if a state-issued ID; people are used to their state and somewhat trust it. A national ID, however, would go over like a turd in a punchbowl.
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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Countdown said: Jimbeaux said: Countdown said: So - 4 forms of separate ID in order to vote. Not difficult at all One of those, including a non-photo ID with a full name on it. According to your link it has to be one of the APPROVED forms of photo ID or ALL of the above Jimbeaux's link said: What IDs are acceptable?
Any valid state or federal government issued photo ID, including a FREE Voter ID Card issued by your county registrar's office or the Georgia Department of Driver Services (DDS)
A Georgia Driver's License, even if expired
Valid employee photo ID from any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. Government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority or other entity of this state
Valid U.S. passport ID
Valid U.S. military photo ID
Valid tribal photo ID
Georgia's Voter Identification Card
If you do not have one of the six acceptable forms of photo ID, the State of Georgia offers a FREE Voter Identification Card. An identification card can be issued at any county registrar's office or Department of Driver Services Office free of charge.
To Receive a voter identification card, the voter must provide:
A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth
Documentation showing the voter's date of birth
Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter
Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address If an experienced DHS bod like yourself is confused it doesn't bode well for mere mortals. ETA I'm assuming my UK birth certificate or my passport or my photo drivers license or even all 3 won't entitle me to a Georgia Voter ID card? As it should not; no more than my US passport would get me a heart transplant from the NHS.
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toppstuff
8,388 posts
116 months
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Guam said: To be fair would the nutjob militia types bother to vote or protest ID's? as that would put them on the Radar of the man I thought they lived in the back of beyond in armed compounds marrying cousins and such <not forgetting taking Banjo lessons> I used to have some clients in rural Alabama in the sawmill business. I saw some truly remote places and met some real friendly folk. Real friendly, like. Great pulled pork.
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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toppstuff said: Guam said: To be fair would the nutjob militia types bother to vote or protest ID's? as that would put them on the Radar of the man I thought they lived in the back of beyond in armed compounds marrying cousins and such <not forgetting taking Banjo lessons> I used to have some clients in rural Alabama in the sawmill business. I saw some truly remote places and met some real friendly folk. Real friendly, like. Great pulled pork. You talk kinda' funny.....boy.
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