Savage attack on WPC
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It's debatable whether it would have happened if she'd been double crewed.
It may have reduced the possibility of it happening.
I don't know how many suspected house breakers are doing it to fund their illegal drug habits? He could have had three packets of Spice or Black Mamba for breakfast and fancied his chances of taking on two officers? 'Extreme Delirium'?
Plus there's the level of confidence officers would have when double crewed. Would some detect insecurity or a lack of confidence in a lone police officer and factor that into the decision of whether to go for it or not?
It may have reduced the possibility of it happening.
I don't know how many suspected house breakers are doing it to fund their illegal drug habits? He could have had three packets of Spice or Black Mamba for breakfast and fancied his chances of taking on two officers? 'Extreme Delirium'?
Plus there's the level of confidence officers would have when double crewed. Would some detect insecurity or a lack of confidence in a lone police officer and factor that into the decision of whether to go for it or not?
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 24th February 21:13
carinaman said:
Plus there's the level of confidence officers would have when double crewed. Would some detect insecurity or a lack of confidence in a lone police officer and factor that into the decision of whether to go for it or not?
There were 33,000 assaults on police in England and Wales over the last 3 years.That is 11,000 a year or 30 per day.
That is recorded assaults - many minor knocks and scrapes do not get reported.
That number will, undoubtedly, go up - that is unless there are no cops left to assault.
What data are people looking for? Outcomes take time to develop. The absence doesn't void future projections based on experience and judgement. Greater risk is foreseeable prior to the outcomes and data occurring. Basics of risk management.
Even when there are simple data indications, the cause is often more complex and needs investigating and can be interpreted according to agenda and bias. According to ACPO, there were 20,249 assaults on officers recorded in the '13-'14 financial year. That 580 more than the previous financial year. I appreciate this data is different to the above.
ACPO state this isn't down to increased single-crewing (although they can't attribute what has caused it), whereas the Fed believe there's a link to single-crewing and increased assaults. It could be normal statistical variance, but the point is that even if we have data outcomes that suggest a cause, that cause isn't necessarily true.
The experts (police officers) clearly aren't keen on decreased working conditions, but to dismiss their collective judgement that risk is increasing (especially to the public) is foolish.
Even when there are simple data indications, the cause is often more complex and needs investigating and can be interpreted according to agenda and bias. According to ACPO, there were 20,249 assaults on officers recorded in the '13-'14 financial year. That 580 more than the previous financial year. I appreciate this data is different to the above.
ACPO state this isn't down to increased single-crewing (although they can't attribute what has caused it), whereas the Fed believe there's a link to single-crewing and increased assaults. It could be normal statistical variance, but the point is that even if we have data outcomes that suggest a cause, that cause isn't necessarily true.
The experts (police officers) clearly aren't keen on decreased working conditions, but to dismiss their collective judgement that risk is increasing (especially to the public) is foolish.
La Liga said:
According to ACPO, there were 20,249 assaults on officers recorded in the '13-'14 financial year. That 580 more than the previous financial year. I appreciate this data is different to the above.
I got my figure from the polfed data - England and Wales only.Does your figure relate to the entire UK - including Scotland and Northern Ireland ?
I am not sure, it's from here: http://www.wypf.polfed.org/2014/07/17/acpo-cuts-to...
La Liga said:
According to ACPO, there were 20,249 assaults on officers recorded in the '13-'14 financial year. That 580 more than the previous financial year.
Very difficult area - violent crime is increasing nationally (one of the few crimes that is), but the theory is that this is more compliant and better recording by Police - hospital EDs (well the ones I am aware of) are certainly not reporting increased number of assault victims requiring treatment.Be very important to look at the severity of the assaults on Police as well before reaching a conclusion, and linking that to single crewing.
I would generally support single crewing as a default, but it needs to take place in an environmennt where you can send more than one unit if that is appropriate. And better deployment policies to resource each job appropriately, without denuding the other side of the patch (remember that what is really, really, dangerous for Police - and others - is blue lighting across town!).
Apart from the 'big' questions that are really fundamental - for example I'd suggest a single national Police force who have the responsibility for motorways, large scale public order, terrorism, fraud, serious crime, etc, and local forces supervised, er, locally, working at community level (democratic oversight and accountability is key) - I'd suggest an urgent look at rank structures.
Pools of uniformed officers are shrinking, yet they are still commanded/managed by Sergeants, Inspectors (and, in places, their deputies who are also Sergeants), Chief Inspectors, Superintendents and Chief Superintendents. OK, some have specific and statutory functions, but you wouldn't have that many layers in private sector organisations of the same scale (especially as one of the huge strengths of the British Police is the autonomy and discretion of the individual PC).
earlier in the thread it was asked (paraphrasing here) what would we do without a police force... the below example would appear to indicate that not a whole lot would change 
(yes I know it's an extreme circumstance etc, but seriously WTFF????)
from the abuse thread
(yes I know it's an extreme circumstance etc, but seriously WTFF????) from the abuse thread
jogon said:
Staggering this one - abused girl gets secure care order while not much seems to be happening with the abusers.
"Judge Wood said he had considered targeting the men who were exploiting the teenager, but had concluded that he was not in a position to take such an approach.
He said he had been giving "chilling evidence" about the girl from a senior detective.
The detective had "impressed" on him that as long as the teenager was in secure accommodation she was "safe" and "could not be raped or worse".
And local authority social services staff had echoed those concerns."
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2015-02-26/teena...
What the f
k are the police, social services and courts up to in Newcastle?. Beyond a joke now.
"Judge Wood said he had considered targeting the men who were exploiting the teenager, but had concluded that he was not in a position to take such an approach.
He said he had been giving "chilling evidence" about the girl from a senior detective.
The detective had "impressed" on him that as long as the teenager was in secure accommodation she was "safe" and "could not be raped or worse".
And local authority social services staff had echoed those concerns."
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2015-02-26/teena...
What the f
k are the police, social services and courts up to in Newcastle?. Beyond a joke now. Edited by jogon on Friday 27th February 15:28
irocfan said:
earlier in the thread it was asked (paraphrasing here) what would we do without a police force... the below example would appear to indicate that not a whole lot would change (yes I know it's an extreme circumstance etc, but seriously WTFF????)
You've quoted an article which literally states: He said one man believed to have been with her had recently been charged with more than 20 offences linked to child sexual exploitation. (yes I know it's an extreme circumstance etc, but seriously WTFF????)La Liga said:
irocfan said:
earlier in the thread it was asked (paraphrasing here) what would we do without a police force... the below example would appear to indicate that not a whole lot would change (yes I know it's an extreme circumstance etc, but seriously WTFF????)
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