Liz Truss Prime Minister
Discussion
S600BSB said:
Wombat3 said:
Good for you, I see plenty that don't - starting with members of the PCS union that seem to think that a significantly shorter working week + a 15% pay rise with a minimum of 35 days holiday a year and a 25% + employer pension contribution (whilst still refusing to go back to an office when required to do so) is working hard.
You do bang on a lot about the civil service! Did you by any chance fail the entrance exams as a much younger man? Skeptisk said:
Wombat3 said:
skwdenyer said:
Carl_VivaEspana said:
(almost) three pages of ranting about Liz and no alternative ideas that are better other than tax , spend and mass immigration.
This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Because the low tax experiment has failed. Our enormous backlog of spending requires high taxes to remain, and then continue so we can have the standard of services and government that we want.This is why the UK economy is on the trajectory it is. Bring on the election so I can have a good laugh at all the additional regulation Team Red are going to apply.
Even the USA has been more expensive to operate in than the UK!
Its also not the right conversation. The real conversation should be about evaluating the gap between the level of services we think we are entitled to and that which we can afford/are prepared to pay for; and how we can close it.
The reason the gap exists is on the one hand the workforce is unproductive and on the other it doesn't like paying tax because it doesn't think it can see the benefits of it.
Whats also missing from the "just raise tax" argument is any acknowledgment that there might be a huge issue with what's done with the money that's allready being raised. That goes back to accountability of / from the public sector and their blatant disregard and dislike for it.
More tax is not the answer and never has been, ever, anywhere. Just throwing more money at an already inefficient and wasteful public sector that is subject to minimall (if any) jeopardy and benefits from gold plated, diamond encusted final salary pension shemes, the likes of which are completely unaffordable elsewhere will not solve anything.
Wombat3 said:
S600BSB said:
Wombat3 said:
Good for you, I see plenty that don't - starting with members of the PCS union that seem to think that a significantly shorter working week + a 15% pay rise with a minimum of 35 days holiday a year and a 25% + employer pension contribution (whilst still refusing to go back to an office when required to do so) is working hard.
You do bang on a lot about the civil service! Did you by any chance fail the entrance exams as a much younger man? I don't blame the staff at an individual level but the collective and culture is incredibly inefficient and "job for life".
Randy Winkman said:
S600BSB said:
Wombat3 said:
Good for you, I see plenty that don't - starting with members of the PCS union that seem to think that a significantly shorter working week + a 15% pay rise with a minimum of 35 days holiday a year and a 25% + employer pension contribution (whilst still refusing to go back to an office when required to do so) is working hard.
You do bang on a lot about the civil service! Did you by any chance fail the entrance exams as a much younger man? Wombat3 said:
Randy Winkman said:
S600BSB said:
Wombat3 said:
Good for you, I see plenty that don't - starting with members of the PCS union that seem to think that a significantly shorter working week + a 15% pay rise with a minimum of 35 days holiday a year and a 25% + employer pension contribution (whilst still refusing to go back to an office when required to do so) is working hard.
You do bang on a lot about the civil service! Did you by any chance fail the entrance exams as a much younger man? TTwiggy said:
Virtually every worker in the uk (public or private sector, low or ‘well’ paid) is working for less than market value in order to line the pockets of shareholders and the very wealthy.
Hiya Comrade 
A big chunk of the workers are also shareholders, particularly through their pension investment so they line their own pockets too.
To "save" that alleged shortfall in value then their would be a need to not have shareholders. Who takes the investment risk to start a business then?
Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 16th April 22:00
TTwiggy said:
Virtually every worker in the uk (public or private sector, low or ‘well’ paid) is working for less than market value in order to line the pockets of shareholders and the very wealthy.
If everyone is paid less than market value, wouldn't that make their salary market value?Mr Penguin said:
TTwiggy said:
Virtually every worker in the uk (public or private sector, low or ‘well’ paid) is working for less than market value in order to line the pockets of shareholders and the very wealthy.
If everyone is paid less than market value, wouldn't that make their salary market value?TTwiggy said:
Virtually every worker in the uk (public or private sector, low or ‘well’ paid) is working for less than market value in order to line the pockets of shareholders and the very wealthy.
Hello Chairman Mao. Time for a long walk?
You are of course wrong. You have described market value
blueg33 said:
TTwiggy said:
Virtually every worker in the uk (public or private sector, low or ‘well’ paid) is working for less than market value in order to line the pockets of shareholders and the very wealthy.
Hello Chairman Mao. Time for a long walk?
You are of course wrong. You have described market value
Getting away from the dissing of fellow posters and getting this thread back to what it's about.
It's about Liz Truss.
My sources* tell me that should Rishi suddenly become "ill" and unable to lead the party Liz is prepared to step in and head the party until a leadership election is called that she wins.
It's a great responsibility to take on. IMO it shows the integrity and sense of selflessness that is at the heart of Liz.
It's not often I say this but today I must. I say jolly well done Liz And whilst we all hope that Rishi doesnt become ill it's nice to know you are prepared to step up if he does.
It's about Liz Truss.
My sources* tell me that should Rishi suddenly become "ill" and unable to lead the party Liz is prepared to step in and head the party until a leadership election is called that she wins.
It's a great responsibility to take on. IMO it shows the integrity and sense of selflessness that is at the heart of Liz.
It's not often I say this but today I must. I say jolly well done Liz And whilst we all hope that Rishi doesnt become ill it's nice to know you are prepared to step up if he does.
- I will not reveal and don't expect anyone to query who my sources are
Killboy said:
Wombat3 said:
I try not to work too hard at all
Damn all those work-shy people huh. Lol...and in that I'm no different to thousands of other business owners. You get out what you put in.
As above, happily I don't need to work like that any more but I know what hard work looks like and fairly confidently maintain that large sections of the population wouldn't recognise it if their lives depended on it.
anonymoususer said:
Getting away from the dissing of fellow posters and getting this thread back to what it's about.
It's about Liz Truss.
My sources* tell me that should Rishi suddenly become "ill" and unable to lead the party Liz is prepared to step in and head the party until a leadership election is called that she wins.
It's a great responsibility to take on. IMO it shows the integrity and sense of selflessness that is at the heart of Liz.
It's not often I say this but today I must. I say jolly well done Liz And whilst we all hope that Rishi doesnt become ill it's nice to know you are prepared to step up if he does.
It's about Liz Truss.
My sources* tell me that should Rishi suddenly become "ill" and unable to lead the party Liz is prepared to step in and head the party until a leadership election is called that she wins.
It's a great responsibility to take on. IMO it shows the integrity and sense of selflessness that is at the heart of Liz.
It's not often I say this but today I must. I say jolly well done Liz And whilst we all hope that Rishi doesnt become ill it's nice to know you are prepared to step up if he does.
- I will not reveal and don't expect anyone to query who my sources are
Shirley an absolute Hunt would be a shoe in?
TTwiggy said:
blueg33 said:
TTwiggy said:
Virtually every worker in the uk (public or private sector, low or ‘well’ paid) is working for less than market value in order to line the pockets of shareholders and the very wealthy.
Hello Chairman Mao. Time for a long walk?
You are of course wrong. You have described market value
Wombat3 said:
Try read the rest of it, ive done my share of 70 & 80 hour / 7 day weeks. Pulled all-nighters , regularly worked evenings & weekends, taken risks, invested and worked at a pace that would make your average public sector wallahs sweat bullets just at the thought of it.
...and in that I'm no different to thousands of other business owners. You get out what you put in.
As above, happily I don't need to work like that any more but I know what hard work looks like and fairly confidently maintain that large sections of the population wouldn't recognise it if their lives depended on it.
What a hero…...and in that I'm no different to thousands of other business owners. You get out what you put in.
As above, happily I don't need to work like that any more but I know what hard work looks like and fairly confidently maintain that large sections of the population wouldn't recognise it if their lives depended on it.
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