Cost of living squeeze in 2022, 23 & 24 (Vol. 2)

Cost of living squeeze in 2022, 23 & 24 (Vol. 2)

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markbigears

2,272 posts

269 months

Wednesday 17th January
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And factoring in those coming off their low fixed mortgage rates this year, which again CPI doesn’t show, I can’t see inflation coming down anytime soon

Digga

40,333 posts

283 months

Wednesday 17th January
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markbigears said:
And factoring in those coming off their low fixed mortgage rates this year, which again CPI doesn’t show, I can’t see inflation coming down anytime soon
True, but those people pose no real risk to the BoE in terms of overspending. If anything, they're going to underspend as a result.

soupdragon1

4,060 posts

97 months

Wednesday 17th January
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Chris Type R said:
JagLover said:
Bad news on inflation -up 0.4% MOM after a fall in November.
Yearly inflation at 4%.

Interest rates likely to stay at current levels for longer.
It's an odd one - if the reporting is to believed and the rise is attributable to tobacco & alcohol.

For most, these are discretionary spends - prices go up and you simply consume less of the item. Also, I might be living in a bubble - but I think I only know one person who smokes anymore. I would have thought that the contribution of tobacco to the inflation calculation would be quite small if my experience is representative of the country as a whole.

I think the demand side is more able to react to these price increases than say rises attributable to rising fuel / energy costs - or food costs (influence by rises elsewhere).
A packet of benson and hedges is £16 now. A packet of 50g of rolling tobacco, close to £40. The price rises were significantly higher than inflation. TBH though, to account for the whole 0.2% inflation delta between forecast (3.8%) and actual (4%) I find it hard to imagine that those 2 products account for that 0.2%

Vanden Saab

14,110 posts

74 months

Wednesday 17th January
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soupdragon1 said:
A packet of benson and hedges is £16 now. A packet of 50g of rolling tobacco, close to £40. The price rises were significantly higher than inflation. TBH though, to account for the whole 0.2% inflation delta between forecast (3.8%) and actual (4%) I find it hard to imagine that those 2 products account for that 0.2%
Sorry what!!! £12.50 for my usual 20 b&h blue yesterday...

snuffy

9,767 posts

284 months

Wednesday 17th January
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Rufus Stone said:
Heard a snippet on the news this morning, insurance premiums have on average increased by 50% year on year. Most of us knew this already I guess.
Over the last 2 years, mine has gone from £300 to £400 to £600. ie 50% this year, and 100% over 2 years.

ARHarh

3,764 posts

107 months

Wednesday 17th January
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soupdragon1 said:
Chris Type R said:
JagLover said:
Bad news on inflation -up 0.4% MOM after a fall in November.
Yearly inflation at 4%.

Interest rates likely to stay at current levels for longer.
It's an odd one - if the reporting is to believed and the rise is attributable to tobacco & alcohol.

For most, these are discretionary spends - prices go up and you simply consume less of the item. Also, I might be living in a bubble - but I think I only know one person who smokes anymore. I would have thought that the contribution of tobacco to the inflation calculation would be quite small if my experience is representative of the country as a whole.

I think the demand side is more able to react to these price increases than say rises attributable to rising fuel / energy costs - or food costs (influence by rises elsewhere).
A packet of benson and hedges is £16 now. A packet of 50g of rolling tobacco, close to £40. The price rises were significantly higher than inflation. TBH though, to account for the whole 0.2% inflation delta between forecast (3.8%) and actual (4%) I find it hard to imagine that those 2 products account for that 0.2%
Not many smoke these days but plenty still drink. I would not be surprised if spending on alcohol was prioritised over other discretionary spending either.

markbigears

2,272 posts

269 months

Wednesday 17th January
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Insurance is an odd one, I’ve seen the same consistent pricing over the past 5 years on both home and cars.
I’ve even managed to get some lower this year.
My advice is to get on the comparison sites at least 3 weeks prior to renewal, then check for another week and then get cheeky and ask for a discount over the phone. Most are on commission so have a little wiggle room. I treat it as a sport as I work from home and have lots of time on my hands smile

soupdragon1

4,060 posts

97 months

Wednesday 17th January
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Vanden Saab said:
soupdragon1 said:
A packet of benson and hedges is £16 now. A packet of 50g of rolling tobacco, close to £40. The price rises were significantly higher than inflation. TBH though, to account for the whole 0.2% inflation delta between forecast (3.8%) and actual (4%) I find it hard to imagine that those 2 products account for that 0.2%
Sorry what!!! £12.50 for my usual 20 b&h blue yesterday...
B&H gold are £16.56 in Tesco, so could be pushing £17 in some independent newsagents.

Louis Balfour

26,292 posts

222 months

Wednesday 17th January
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soupdragon1 said:
Vanden Saab said:
soupdragon1 said:
A packet of benson and hedges is £16 now. A packet of 50g of rolling tobacco, close to £40. The price rises were significantly higher than inflation. TBH though, to account for the whole 0.2% inflation delta between forecast (3.8%) and actual (4%) I find it hard to imagine that those 2 products account for that 0.2%
Sorry what!!! £12.50 for my usual 20 b&h blue yesterday...
B&H gold are £16.56 in Tesco, so could be pushing £17 in some independent newsagents.
That means some of our cleaners are working for two hours to afford a packet of ciggies.



hotchy

4,473 posts

126 months

Wednesday 17th January
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soupdragon1 said:
Vanden Saab said:
soupdragon1 said:
A packet of benson and hedges is £16 now. A packet of 50g of rolling tobacco, close to £40. The price rises were significantly higher than inflation. TBH though, to account for the whole 0.2% inflation delta between forecast (3.8%) and actual (4%) I find it hard to imagine that those 2 products account for that 0.2%
Sorry what!!! £12.50 for my usual 20 b&h blue yesterday...
B&H gold are £16.56 in Tesco, so could be pushing £17 in some independent newsagents.
Crazy. As an independant retailer I put 30p above recomendee retail to cover the card transaction fees when they buy a packet and still they are only £16.25. Tesco really are price gouging.

Chris Type R

8,033 posts

249 months

Wednesday 17th January
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Louis Balfour said:
That means some of our cleaners are working for two hours to afford a packet of ciggies.
My experience of cleaners has demonstrated that they're rarely the most financially astute.

Edited by Chris Type R on Wednesday 17th January 14:49

RayDonovan

4,391 posts

215 months

Wednesday 17th January
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Problem with car insurance (and insurance in general) is that it's run as a monopoly. There seems to be very little competition between the providers and they all price gouge

Shnozz

27,486 posts

271 months

Wednesday 17th January
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RayDonovan said:
Problem with car insurance (and insurance in general) is that it's run as a monopoly. There seems to be very little competition between the providers and they all price gouge
I’d say it’s almost the complete opposite.

snuffy

9,767 posts

284 months

Wednesday 17th January
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Shnozz said:
RayDonovan said:
Problem with car insurance (and insurance in general) is that it's run as a monopoly. There seems to be very little competition between the providers and they all price gouge
I’d say it’s almost the complete opposite.
My house insurance is now half what it was over 20 years ago. Which as a proportion of my income is way less than it was 20 years as well.


glazbagun

14,280 posts

197 months

Sunday 21st January
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

Homelessness on the rise. I must say, as someone stuck in the rental trap for years now, it's a lot more conceivable to me that one can be working homeless than it was a couple of years ago.

I once flat-shared with a guy who was renting a room with his two kids coming to visit after divorce. He'd tried renting a flat and had ended up running up debts in only 6 months. His kids were great and evidently blissfully unaware of the straits their dad was in, but it was a shock to see such an otherwise sorted individual trapped.

Fast forward a couple of years and a job move and I, too, find myself scraping through the end of each month. The credit cards once used only for Stoozing are being repaid slower, saving has all but stopped and the odd unexpected bill puts dents in it which aren't repaired. A car looks like a ridiculously unjustifiable expense.

Louis Balfour

26,292 posts

222 months

Sunday 21st January
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Have been out in London for the last couple of days. It seems very expensive now, as a Brit. As a city it seems to be catering increasingly to wealthy foreigners.

Rufus Stone

6,233 posts

56 months

Sunday 21st January
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glazbagun said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

Homelessness on the rise. I must say, as someone stuck in the rental trap for years now, it's a lot more conceivable to me that one can be working homeless than it was a couple of years ago.

I once flat-shared with a guy who was renting a room with his two kids coming to visit after divorce. He'd tried renting a flat and had ended up running up debts in only 6 months. His kids were great and evidently blissfully unaware of the straits their dad was in, but it was a shock to see such an otherwise sorted individual trapped.

Fast forward a couple of years and a job move and I, too, find myself scraping through the end of each month. The credit cards once used only for Stoozing are being repaid slower, saving has all but stopped and the odd unexpected bill puts dents in it which aren't repaired. A car looks like a ridiculously unjustifiable expense.
Flats are available in Glasgow for £500 pm. The article doesn't say why he can't afford that.

fido

16,799 posts

255 months

Sunday 21st January
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Louis Balfour said:
Have been out in London for the last couple of days. It seems very expensive now, as a Brit. As a city it seems to be catering increasingly to wealthy foreigners.
The prices reflect the wages and taxes those businesses have to pay. My own council tax, utility bills and travel are up 30%-40% in the last 3 years so wouldn't be surprised that restaurants have increased prices the same amount. Maybe the wealthy foreigners are keeping eateries and pubs afloat that would otherwise have to close.

glazbagun

14,280 posts

197 months

Sunday 21st January
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Rufus Stone said:
glazbagun said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

Homelessness on the rise. I must say, as someone stuck in the rental trap for years now, it's a lot more conceivable to me that one can be working homeless than it was a couple of years ago.

I once flat-shared with a guy who was renting a room with his two kids coming to visit after divorce. He'd tried renting a flat and had ended up running up debts in only 6 months. His kids were great and evidently blissfully unaware of the straits their dad was in, but it was a shock to see such an otherwise sorted individual trapped.

Fast forward a couple of years and a job move and I, too, find myself scraping through the end of each month. The credit cards once used only for Stoozing are being repaid slower, saving has all but stopped and the odd unexpected bill puts dents in it which aren't repaired. A car looks like a ridiculously unjustifiable expense.
Flats are available in Glasgow for £500 pm. The article doesn't say why he can't afford that.
Must be a lifestyle choice then. rolleyes

snuffy

9,767 posts

284 months

Sunday 21st January
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glazbagun said:
Rufus Stone said:
glazbagun said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

Homelessness on the rise. I must say, as someone stuck in the rental trap for years now, it's a lot more conceivable to me that one can be working homeless than it was a couple of years ago.

I once flat-shared with a guy who was renting a room with his two kids coming to visit after divorce. He'd tried renting a flat and had ended up running up debts in only 6 months. His kids were great and evidently blissfully unaware of the straits their dad was in, but it was a shock to see such an otherwise sorted individual trapped.

Fast forward a couple of years and a job move and I, too, find myself scraping through the end of each month. The credit cards once used only for Stoozing are being repaid slower, saving has all but stopped and the odd unexpected bill puts dents in it which aren't repaired. A car looks like a ridiculously unjustifiable expense.
Flats are available in Glasgow for £500 pm. The article doesn't say why he can't afford that.
Must be a lifestyle choice then. rolleyes
50 hours a week at minimum wage is £520. Which is £430 after tax and NI. £500 a month for a flat, i.e. £125/week, compared to an net income of £430/week. I imagine what is why the question of why he can't afford that was posed ?