Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Mrr T said:
One thing about brexit brethren is a complete inability to research complex subjects. I never commented about the nuclear industry. I did comment that leaving with no deal at all would impact the aerospace industry. It was widely pointed out by the industry and the trade press. But what do they know about the regulation of there industry.
As it was we left with a deal which included recognition. One consequence of the mess was EASA allowed firms outside the EU to apply to be registered. Many aerospace firms in the UK took up the offer and are now regulated by EASA rather than the CAA.
It must be wonderful to enjoy the settled politics of the UK.
You said that uk planes would be unable to fly and that EU financial centres would take all of Londons business leaving it like a ghost town. As it was we left with a deal which included recognition. One consequence of the mess was EASA allowed firms outside the EU to apply to be registered. Many aerospace firms in the UK took up the offer and are now regulated by EASA rather than the CAA.
It must be wonderful to enjoy the settled politics of the UK.
Brexiteers on the other hand accepted there might be some short term issues while we adjusted to the new systems but longer term it would be sunny uplands. We are now starting to see just that after only 3 years.
It is no surprise that those who never wanted to leave spent so much time and energy trying to get the result reversed as soon as they could and preferably before we had even left as they knew the longer we were out the less chance they ever had of rejoining.
Project fear has failed, time to give it up now.
Vanden Saab said:
You said that uk planes would be unable to fly and that EU financial centres would take all of Londons business leaving it like a ghost town.
Brexiteers on the other hand accepted there might be some short term issues while we adjusted to the new systems but longer term it would be sunny uplands. We are now starting to see just that after only 3 years.
It is no surprise that those who never wanted to leave spent so much time and energy trying to get the result reversed as soon as they could and preferably before we had even left as they knew the longer we were out the less chance they ever had of rejoining.
Project fear has failed, time to give it up now.
I said planes would likely be unable to flight on no deal. I also said the UK FS would be diminished by brexit. But leaving let the truth get in your way.Brexiteers on the other hand accepted there might be some short term issues while we adjusted to the new systems but longer term it would be sunny uplands. We are now starting to see just that after only 3 years.
It is no surprise that those who never wanted to leave spent so much time and energy trying to get the result reversed as soon as they could and preferably before we had even left as they knew the longer we were out the less chance they ever had of rejoining.
Project fear has failed, time to give it up now.
Please tell us about theses sunny uplands. All most people see is more paper work and more costs.
As it is the public have judged and decided brexit was a failure and the party who lead the charge is going to suffer a serious electoral reverse.
Time to give up defending brexit and just admit you made a mistake.
Mortarboard said:
Funny, could have sworn that Boris & Frost disagree with you, and they negotiated it.
As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
The basic point is simple, choice.We are our own boss which is part of National Sovereignty.As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
Mrr T said:
Vanden Saab said:
You said that uk planes would be unable to fly and that EU financial centres would take all of Londons business leaving it like a ghost town.
Brexiteers on the other hand accepted there might be some short term issues while we adjusted to the new systems but longer term it would be sunny uplands. We are now starting to see just that after only 3 years.
It is no surprise that those who never wanted to leave spent so much time and energy trying to get the result reversed as soon as they could and preferably before we had even left as they knew the longer we were out the less chance they ever had of rejoining.
Project fear has failed, time to give it up now.
I said planes would likely be unable to flight on no deal. I also said the UK FS would be diminished by brexit. But leaving let the truth get in your way.Brexiteers on the other hand accepted there might be some short term issues while we adjusted to the new systems but longer term it would be sunny uplands. We are now starting to see just that after only 3 years.
It is no surprise that those who never wanted to leave spent so much time and energy trying to get the result reversed as soon as they could and preferably before we had even left as they knew the longer we were out the less chance they ever had of rejoining.
Project fear has failed, time to give it up now.
Please tell us about theses sunny uplands. All most people see is more paper work and more costs.
As it is the public have judged and decided brexit was a failure and the party who lead the charge is going to suffer a serious electoral reverse.
Time to give up defending brexit and just admit you made a mistake.
crankedup5 said:
Mortarboard said:
Funny, could have sworn that Boris & Frost disagree with you, and they negotiated it.
As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
The basic point is simple, choice.We are our own boss which is part of National Sovereignty.As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
cirian75 said:
crankedup5 said:
Mortarboard said:
Funny, could have sworn that Boris & Frost disagree with you, and they negotiated it.
As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
The basic point is simple, choice.We are our own boss which is part of National Sovereignty.As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
cirian75 said:
crankedup5 said:
Mortarboard said:
Funny, could have sworn that Boris & Frost disagree with you, and they negotiated it.
As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
The basic point is simple, choice.We are our own boss which is part of National Sovereignty.As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
crankedup5 said:
Mortarboard said:
Funny, could have sworn that Boris & Frost disagree with you, and they negotiated it.
As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
The basic point is simple, choice.We are our own boss which is part of National Sovereignty.As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
Now we create our own legislation and by force of commerce have to accept legislation produced by the Eu alone whether we like it or not. Now we can reject this and take the trade hit and look to the IUSA and have a different lot of legislation forced on us. Or reject both and do deals with tiny economies which are pretty meaningless in the context of our economy.
The difference now is we have little say being a minor partner.
We are now neither a tiny niche economy or one of the major players as we inevitable slide down the global scale. India is already flexing its muscles with us and they have a huge amount of growth coming.
Don't think in terms of 10 years. Where will the UK be and its competitors in 50 -100 years?
crankedup5 said:
Erm I did, being in the Common Market was a different, and far superior for U.K., proposition to the wretched European.
How was it far superior? As part of the Eu which particular pieces of legislation do you think we were coerced into accepting that was detrimental to the UK?
Nomme de Plum said:
crankedup5 said:
Mortarboard said:
Funny, could have sworn that Boris & Frost disagree with you, and they negotiated it.
As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
The basic point is simple, choice.We are our own boss which is part of National Sovereignty.As for freeing the uk from the clutches of the "EU project", one of the first actions taken was to replicate (not replace) two function that are done in the EU, reach and ce.
So rather than freeing the uk, brexit gave the uk twice as much red tape.
Probably best to look further than the daily mail for "news and analysis"
M
Now we create our own legislation and by force of commerce have to accept legislation produced by the Eu alone whether we like it or not. Now we can reject this and take the trade hit and look to the IUSA and have a different lot of legislation forced on us. Or reject both and do deals with tiny economies which are pretty meaningless in the context of our economy.
The difference now is we have little say being a minor partner.
We are now neither a tiny niche economy or one of the major players as we inevitable slide down the global scale. India is already flexing its muscles with us and they have a huge amount of growth coming.
Don't think in terms of 10 years. Where will the UK be and its competitors in 50 -100 years?
U.K. will continue to build new trade partners who will continue to become more important to global economies, as you mention India for example. The West is retreating in terms of wealth, our time has been.
Why is it that France and Germany are doing so badly, they are the two major EU a member economies and yet?
Also we have untied ourselves from the share of ballooning debt being built up within the EU,
Who knows where we will be in fifty years time, nobody knows the answer to that.
Amateurish said:
crankedup5 said:
Time you and others understood that the argument is over and it’s now up to our Government to get on with the job of making our new status a success.
And what a great job they have done.2019 they were elected on the basis of "Get Brexit Done".
Now they are done.
Nomme de Plum said:
crankedup5 said:
Erm I did, being in the Common Market was a different, and far superior for U.K., proposition to the wretched European.
How was it far superior? As part of the Eu which particular pieces of legislation do you think we were coerced into accepting that was detrimental to the UK?
John Major signed up to the Maastricht Treaty, not so much coerced and road railed by a U.K. Prime Minister in collusion with the EU. I consider that to have been detrimental to the UK.
crankedup5 said:
Amateurish said:
crankedup5 said:
Time you and others understood that the argument is over and it’s now up to our Government to get on with the job of making our new status a success.
And what a great job they have done.2019 they were elected on the basis of "Get Brexit Done".
Now they are done.
I enjoy your valiant efforts to wave the Brexit flag, but I don't think anyone will ever change your mind, whatever the reality.
I don't think there is much point engaging with your posts.
crankedup5 said:
Mrr T said:
Vanden Saab said:
You said that uk planes would be unable to fly and that EU financial centres would take all of Londons business leaving it like a ghost town.
Brexiteers on the other hand accepted there might be some short term issues while we adjusted to the new systems but longer term it would be sunny uplands. We are now starting to see just that after only 3 years.
It is no surprise that those who never wanted to leave spent so much time and energy trying to get the result reversed as soon as they could and preferably before we had even left as they knew the longer we were out the less chance they ever had of rejoining.
Project fear has failed, time to give it up now.
I said planes would likely be unable to flight on no deal. I also said the UK FS would be diminished by brexit. But leaving let the truth get in your way.Brexiteers on the other hand accepted there might be some short term issues while we adjusted to the new systems but longer term it would be sunny uplands. We are now starting to see just that after only 3 years.
It is no surprise that those who never wanted to leave spent so much time and energy trying to get the result reversed as soon as they could and preferably before we had even left as they knew the longer we were out the less chance they ever had of rejoining.
Project fear has failed, time to give it up now.
Please tell us about theses sunny uplands. All most people see is more paper work and more costs.
As it is the public have judged and decided brexit was a failure and the party who lead the charge is going to suffer a serious electoral reverse.
Time to give up defending brexit and just admit you made a mistake.
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