Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

Thursday 25th April

borcy said:

https://twitter.com/John_A_Ridge/status/1783514363...

Russians have managed to nullify one weapon.

They must have reasonably hefty emitters transmitting the GPS spoofing signals, surprised a HARM or similar can't home in on it.

borcy

2,926 posts

57 months

Thursday 25th April

hidetheelephants said:

borcy said:

https://twitter.com/John_A_Ridge/status/1783514363...

Russians have managed to nullify one weapon.

They must have reasonably hefty emitters transmitting the GPS spoofing signals, surprised a HARM or similar can't home in on it.

Might be localised system, hard to counter. It's probably rare for them to use harm.

off_again

12,340 posts

235 months

Thursday 25th April

borcy said:

hidetheelephants said:

borcy said:

https://twitter.com/John_A_Ridge/status/1783514363...

Russians have managed to nullify one weapon.

They must have reasonably hefty emitters transmitting the GPS spoofing signals, surprised a HARM or similar can't home in on it.

Might be localised system, hard to counter. It's probably rare for them to use harm.

The Russians have been perfecting their strategy and technology for GPS jamming. Take a look at what they have been doing in the Baltic as an illustration of this. And how petty do you have to be for what they are doing in the Baltic? Sums up everything we need to know.

BikeBikeBIke

8,045 posts

116 months

Thursday 25th April

EU aren't recognising Putin as legitimate leader of Russia.:

https://twitter.com/khodorkovsky_en/status/1783542...

Sounds like Putin *will* care.

The Gauge

1,932 posts

14 months

Thursday 25th April

cliffords said:

I still don't get why I can read all over the internet the types of equipment and numbers of, being delivered to Ukraine.
Unless its absolutely deliberately complete rubbish , why can I read all about it .

Cant the bad guys just say , right 100 of those were delivered we know 98 have been used 2 more and we will attack that city etc etc

What am I missing . Russia have not declared all the stuff they have coming in from North Korea, Iran and China ?

Any released figures are probably purposely incorrect. It's like the names of our army regiments such as 36th Signal Regt, suggesting there are at least 36 such regiments, when there aren't.

Cheib

23,281 posts

176 months

Thursday 25th April

off_again said:

borcy said:

hidetheelephants said:

borcy said:

https://twitter.com/John_A_Ridge/status/1783514363...

Russians have managed to nullify one weapon.

They must have reasonably hefty emitters transmitting the GPS spoofing signals, surprised a HARM or similar can't home in on it.

Might be localised system, hard to counter. It's probably rare for them to use harm.

The Russians have been perfecting their strategy and technology for GPS jamming. Take a look at what they have been doing in the Baltic as an illustration of this. And how petty do you have to be for what they are doing in the Baltic? Sums up everything we need to know.

The Russians apparently have pretty good EW…their EW ability has apparently caused issues with the accuracy of HIMARS and the GPS guided 155mm artillery rounds.

off_again

12,340 posts

235 months

Thursday 25th April

The Gauge said:

cliffords said:

I still don't get why I can read all over the internet the types of equipment and numbers of, being delivered to Ukraine.
Unless its absolutely deliberately complete rubbish , why can I read all about it .

Cant the bad guys just say , right 100 of those were delivered we know 98 have been used 2 more and we will attack that city etc etc

What am I missing . Russia have not declared all the stuff they have coming in from North Korea, Iran and China ?

Any released figures are probably purposely incorrect. It's like the names of our army regiments such as 36th Signal Regt, suggesting there are at least 36 such regiments, when there aren't.

And units will get merged together too. If a weapon system requires more people, it makes sense to break up a few units and spread them around to maximize capability. Equally, new units will get formed with new capabilities or technology, rather than retraining existing units.

CoolHands

18,695 posts

196 months

Thursday 25th April

And anyway what does it matter. They might know how many you’ve got but if they can’t stop them and don’t know where they are and when they’re being used, then it doesn’t help them

RichFN2

3,387 posts

180 months

Friday 26th April

pingu393 said:

hidetheelephants said:

pingu393 said:

I don't know if it's UKR or ruzzian, but the latest post on Denys' Telegram is of a T72? that looks like a garden shed with a barrel. The only target for a drone is the tracks.

No thick armour, just corrigated iron.

I'm sure it's not resistant to a 155mm shell and no doubt there's a Ukrainian developing a drone that can fire an NLAW.

The current threat is a drone with a grenade. Defending against multiple threats is not easy. Tank on tank fighting is not really happening, and if a 155 shell has your name on it, there's not much you can do about it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the tank is actually UKR.

When I was in Iraq, one of our threats was stainless steel welding wire strung across the road at head height. Our solution was a strip of steel in front of the guy on top cover. Simple solution eliminated a nasty threat.

This is a simple solution that may eliminate the latest threat. If NLAW drones come, then they will probably take the reactive armour off the tank and put it on the corrigated iron. The corrigated iron can also be upgraded to armour plate.

It's a Russian tank, it's very crude but so far proving to be affective.

They also have signal jammers on top so it's purely for drone protection.

W12GT

3,533 posts

222 months

Friday 26th April

RichFN2 said:

pingu393 said:

hidetheelephants said:

pingu393 said:

I don't know if it's UKR or ruzzian, but the latest post on Denys' Telegram is of a T72? that looks like a garden shed with a barrel. The only target for a drone is the tracks.

No thick armour, just corrigated iron.

I'm sure it's not resistant to a 155mm shell and no doubt there's a Ukrainian developing a drone that can fire an NLAW.

The current threat is a drone with a grenade. Defending against multiple threats is not easy. Tank on tank fighting is not really happening, and if a 155 shell has your name on it, there's not much you can do about it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the tank is actually UKR.

When I was in Iraq, one of our threats was stainless steel welding wire strung across the road at head height. Our solution was a strip of steel in front of the guy on top cover. Simple solution eliminated a nasty threat.

This is a simple solution that may eliminate the latest threat. If NLAW drones come, then they will probably take the reactive armour off the tank and put it on the corrigated iron. The corrigated iron can also be upgraded to armour plate.

It's a Russian tank, it's very crude but so far proving to be affective.

They also have signal jammers on top so it's purely for drone protection.

Surely this massively limits functionality ie side visibility, turret movement and of course terrain clearance thus enabling ground attack? Surely some ground drones would work nicely here either with explosives if close enough or any tank mines and tease them to run over them?

wolfracesonic

7,023 posts

128 months

Friday 26th April

It’s a Bob Semple tank eek

magpie215

4,404 posts

190 months

Friday 26th April

RichFN2 said:

It's a Russian tank, it's very crude but so far proving to be affective.

They also have signal jammers on top so it's purely for drone protection.

NATO reporting name:Hijab

PRTVR

7,119 posts

222 months

Friday 26th April

Over the last few weeks Ukrainian has been focusing on the Russians air defence radars, possibly prior to the F16 becoming operational, I don't think that it will be long before we see them,
in the latest UK military assistance to Ukraine air to air missiles and glide bombs are on the list.
Yesterday it was reported that dummy missiles were launched over crimea and NATO were monitoring the radar returns and passing the data to Ukraine, its only a matter of time before a certain bridge is no more.

paua

5,762 posts

144 months

Friday 26th April

PRTVR said:

Over the last few weeks Ukrainian has been focusing on the Russians air defence radars, possibly prior to the F16 becoming operational, I don't think that it will be long before we see them,
in the latest UK military assistance to Ukraine air to air missiles and glide bombs are on the list.
Yesterday it was reported that dummy missiles were launched over crimea and NATO were monitoring the radar returns and passing the data to Ukraine, its only a matter of time before a certain bridge is no more.

Hope you're right.

pinchmeimdreamin

9,968 posts

219 months

Friday 26th April

paua said:

PRTVR said:

Over the last few weeks Ukrainian has been focusing on the Russians air defence radars, possibly prior to the F16 becoming operational, I don't think that it will be long before we see them,
in the latest UK military assistance to Ukraine air to air missiles and glide bombs are on the list.
Yesterday it was reported that dummy missiles were launched over crimea and NATO were monitoring the radar returns and passing the data to Ukraine, its only a matter of time before a certain bridge is no more.

Hope you're right.

Have they got the firepower to drop the bridge though ?

Will it need bunker busters or would enough missiles do the job ?

Digga

40,352 posts

284 months

Friday 26th April

BikeBikeBIke said:

EU aren't recognising Putin as legitimate leader of Russia.:

https://twitter.com/khodorkovsky_en/status/1783542...

Sounds like Putin *will* care.

It's a significant change. Aside from calling the elections a non-democratic sham, they also specifically cite Navalny's death as being murder.

So how long until the UN follows suit I wonder? The cynic in me thinks they will ignore this as far as they can.

PRTVR

7,119 posts

222 months

Friday 26th April

pinchmeimdreamin said:

paua said:

PRTVR said:

Over the last few weeks Ukrainian has been focusing on the Russians air defence radars, possibly prior to the F16 becoming operational, I don't think that it will be long before we see them,
in the latest UK military assistance to Ukraine air to air missiles and glide bombs are on the list.
Yesterday it was reported that dummy missiles were launched over crimea and NATO were monitoring the radar returns and passing the data to Ukraine, its only a matter of time before a certain bridge is no more.

Hope you're right.

Have they got the firepower to drop the bridge though ?

Will it need bunker busters or would enough missiles do the job ?

I think the bridge has been studied in great detail and the ability to drop it worked out, the Ukrainians say they will do it and the support they have from all over the world I have no doubt they will.

Castrol for a knave

4,716 posts

92 months

Friday 26th April

RichFN2 said:

It's a Russian tank, it's very crude but so far proving to be affective.

They also have signal jammers on top so it's purely for drone protection.

If he wasn't dead, I'd be thinking Wilf Lunn was working for the Russians.

borcy

2,926 posts

57 months

Friday 26th April

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/178364643547...

A little bit of low cost help heading towards Ukraine.

TGCOTF-dewey

5,204 posts

56 months

Friday 26th April

RichFN2 said:

It's a Russian tank, it's very crude but so far proving to be affective.

They also have signal jammers on top so it's purely for drone protection.