CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

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alangla

4,805 posts

181 months

Monday 15th April
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Ashfordian said:
IF it is the vaccine (note the word IF), I doubt anyone alive today will ever find out the truth. You just have to look at the cover-ups to scandals like the recent Post Office frauds, and that is small fry compared with IF the Covid vaccine does cause cancers.

The only way your will tell is by actions. So if we don't see mRNA vaccines in the next 10-20 years, that will be the signal I will use.
I think this is likely to be key. If mRNA really is the new wonder drug/technology then one would expect pharmaceutical companies to be rushing to find applications for it. Those applications, presumably, will have to go through the normal clinical trials process. If those trials either don’t start, or fail at a higher rate than more conventional new treatments, then it’s a fair indication that there was likely to be something amiss with the Covid vaccines. Either way, we’re could be waiting quite some time for that to be noticeable.

isaldiri

18,600 posts

168 months

Monday 15th April
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alangla said:
I think this is likely to be key. If mRNA really is the new wonder drug/technology then one would expect pharmaceutical companies to be rushing to find applications for it. Those applications, presumably, will have to go through the normal clinical trials process. If those trials either don’t start, or fail at a higher rate than more conventional new treatments, then it’s a fair indication that there was likely to be something amiss with the Covid vaccines. Either way, we’re could be waiting quite some time for that to be noticeable.
Fwiw, there are quite a Few mRNA clinical trials are currently taking place for RSV, flu, herpes and a couple of cancer ones. And iirc some of them are quite large trials as well.

alangla

4,805 posts

181 months

Monday 15th April
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isaldiri said:
Fwiw, there are quite a Few mRNA clinical trials are currently taking place for RSV, flu, herpes and a couple of cancer ones. And iirc some of them are quite large trials as well.
That’s a positive. I guess we’ll get to see if they work sooner rather than later then.

RSTurboPaul

10,393 posts

258 months

Monday 15th April
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alangla said:
isaldiri said:
Fwiw, there are quite a Few mRNA clinical trials are currently taking place for RSV, flu, herpes and a couple of cancer ones. And iirc some of them are quite large trials as well.
That’s a positive. I guess we’ll get to see if they work how giant pharmaceutical companies more concerned about profit than people manipulate the data to make it look like they work sooner rather than later then.
FTFY

Dr Murdoch

3,445 posts

135 months

Monday 15th April
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Boringvolvodriver said:
I don’t entirety disagree with you on that aspect - the last 4 years have proved that vast numbers of the public are very easily led and can’t or don’t want to think for themselves. The same people who didn’t trust politicians pre 2020 suddenly hung on their every word and took it all as gospel - aided and abetted by a compliant media and social media who all have their fingers in the till!
+1 that I found alarming, my folks always told me never to believe what you read in newspapers or politicians, and all off a sudden they were treated as gospel.

Personally, to be honest I would like to see actual evidence that the vaccines are causing an issue. For context, I'm not jabbed, as 1. I thought by making a stand (and if the majority did) the mandatory jabs would not filter down to my kids and 2. The average age of those succumbing was 82/83, I was 41 and not overweight. 3. The amount of tax payers money wasted on testing kits (£20 but all free, use as many as you want........), test and tracing and the over ordering of the vaccines themselves. Add this to the furlough, it left me fearing for the debt that was mounting. And now we have the 'cost of living (cough, Covid over reaction) crisis'

I'm not into the conspiracy theory though, just a combination of fear/those drunk on power/can't be seen to be doing less than any other nation, IMO.

Hants PHer

5,735 posts

111 months

Monday 15th April
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Yahonza said:
There is no systematic evidence base at all to support (mRNA) vaccines causing cancer. But there is a fair bit of evidence that lockdown(s) delayed screening and treatment for various types of cancers, along with other conditions. That is not to say that vaccines are 100% safe either - such as thing doesn't exist.
Indeed (my bold). Forget snarky references to the BBC or fact checkers; ideally, we need a Randomised Control Trial with one vaccinated and one unvaccinated group that otherwise have the same characteristics - especially age. However, such a RCT seems not to be forthcoming. In the meantime, as isaldiri points out, there are several drugs based around mRNA technology that may settle the argument eventually.

r3g

3,174 posts

24 months

Monday 15th April
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Hants PHer said:
Yahonza said:
There is no systematic evidence base at all to support (mRNA) vaccines causing cancer. But there is a fair bit of evidence that lockdown(s) delayed screening and treatment for various types of cancers, along with other conditions. That is not to say that vaccines are 100% safe either - such as thing doesn't exist.
Indeed (my bold). Forget snarky references to the BBC or fact checkers; ideally, we need a Randomised Control Trial with one vaccinated and one unvaccinated group that otherwise have the same characteristics - especially age. However, such a RCT seems not to be forthcoming. In the meantime, as isaldiri points out, there are several drugs based around mRNA technology that may settle the argument eventually.
Hmm. I wonder what the possible reasons for that could be. Hmm. scratchchin

Because (for the hard of thinking) that would expose the scam wide open for everyone to see they were duped and lied to.

As for your demands for controlled tests, you don't need any - it's a pointless exercise. All you have to do is take a look at your family, friends and work colleagues and note that - by and large - all the unvaxxed are getting on with their lives in good health and are wondering what all the fuss is about vs the sleeve-rollers who are now either sadly dead frown, or have a growing list of mysterious ailments that have appeared since 2021 that all the GPs are completely baffled by.

r3g

3,174 posts

24 months

Monday 15th April
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RSTurboPaul said:
alangla said:
isaldiri said:
Fwiw, there are quite a Few mRNA clinical trials are currently taking place for RSV, flu, herpes and a couple of cancer ones. And iirc some of them are quite large trials as well.
That’s a positive. I guess we’ll get to see if they work how giant pharmaceutical companies more concerned about profit than people manipulate the data to make it look like they work sooner rather than later then.
FTFY
The big one for me is that nobody appears to have a high enough IQ to see the obvious fraud between Pfizer creating a cancer treatment vaccine to treat the cancer causing vaccine that they also created. And the plebs are cheering them on like they are some sort of saviours.

isaldiri

18,600 posts

168 months

Monday 15th April
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Hants PHer said:
Indeed (my bold). Forget snarky references to the BBC or fact checkers; ideally, we need a Randomised Control Trial with one vaccinated and one unvaccinated group that otherwise have the same characteristics - especially age. However, such a RCT seems not to be forthcoming. In the meantime, as isaldiri points out, there are several drugs based around mRNA technology that may settle the argument eventually.
I don't think one can reasonably expect a full RCT for the above tbh. Especially on a long term trial with an undefined end point as trials basically are run to attempt to determine if an outcome is true rather than to find if something isn't happening.

The best that one might get is an observational study with matched controls to compare incidences of (whatever one thinks is occuring) and even something like this would be hard to setup as your group of completely unvaccinated people would so much smaller than the other group that it's potentially going to cause a lot of problems to get properly matched pairs in a sufficient sample size that can be followed properly. Given countries that had widely differing excess death rates had similarly high vax rates (ahem sweden Vs well, the UK for example), it's not quite the dead cert I think as some are claiming.....


Edited by isaldiri on Monday 15th April 23:31

rodericb

6,759 posts

126 months

Tuesday 16th April
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isaldiri said:
I don't think one can reasonably expect a full RCT for the above tbh. Especially on a long term trial with an undefined end point as trials basically are run to attempt to determine if an outcome is true rather than to find if something isn't happening.

The best that one might get is an observational study with matched controls to compare incidences of (whatever one thinks is occuring) and even something like this would be hard to setup as your group of completely unvaccinated people would so much smaller than the other group that it's potentially going to cause a lot of problems to get properly matched pairs in a sufficient sample size that can be followed properly. Given countries that had widely differing excess death rates had similarly high vax rates (ahem sweden Vs well, the UK for example), it's not quite the dead cert I think as some are claiming.....


Edited by isaldiri on Monday 15th April 23:31
That's why the emergency use thing hung around for so long and as many people as possible injected during that time.. I'd imagine that if you did want to set up some RCT you'd find that suddenly no one knows who has been injected or not..... the, ummm, dog ate the records or something.... and that is if you could even get the funding to research that.

jameswills

3,481 posts

43 months

Tuesday 16th April
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alangla said:
I think this is likely to be key. If mRNA really is the new wonder drug/technology then one would expect pharmaceutical companies to be rushing to find applications for it. Those applications, presumably, will have to go through the normal clinical trials process. If those trials either don’t start, or fail at a higher rate than more conventional new treatments, then it’s a fair indication that there was likely to be something amiss with the Covid vaccines. Either way, we’re could be waiting quite some time for that to be noticeable.
Am I waking up in a parallel universe? How anyone can think that these trials are nothing short of an absolute scam is beyond me, the only real trial these companies do is how much they can make vs the costs of damages, if the former outweighs the latter, they will make it succeed. And with this mRNA stuff, they will run and run and run because now they have the full backing of all the countries that are in bed with them and they’ve been granted immunity.

If you’re being sold something, then remember it is not for your benefit. If it is being handed out for free, you are the product. As above, they are now developing wonder anti cancer medicine, well that’s certainly convenient (ching ching). Also seems to be a lot of things that can now cause heart issues, but not the “vaccine”, oh no.



rodericb

6,759 posts

126 months

Tuesday 16th April
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jameswills said:
Am I waking up in a parallel universe? How anyone can think that these trials are nothing short of an absolute scam is beyond me, the only real trial these companies do is how much they can make vs the costs of damages, if the former outweighs the latter, they will make it succeed. And with this mRNA stuff, they will run and run and run because now they have the full backing of all the countries that are in bed with them and they’ve been granted immunity.

If you’re being sold something, then remember it is not for your benefit. If it is being handed out for free, you are the product. As above, they are now developing wonder anti cancer medicine, well that’s certainly convenient (ching ching). Also seems to be a lot of things that can now cause heart issues, but not the “vaccine”, oh no.
Research into mRNA has been going on for a couple of decades. The thing was that they didn't have something to carry the mRNA, without it being destroyed on the way, to where it would do its thang - until the lipid nano particle came along a lot more recently.

One might conclude that after some transport mechanism got found for the mRNA payload that the obvious next phase of mrRNA trials would be to see the full impacts of mRNA on all variations of recipient - such as how it behaves when it starts to party hard in ones body.... Is it a stay-in-one-bar type of partieist or does it go a bit crazy, bar-hopping and leaving a trail of destruction 'til it ends up in a someones heart/ovaries/brain rubbish skip after it does what it does...


Edited by rodericb on Tuesday 16th April 10:17

cliffe_mafia

1,635 posts

238 months

Tuesday 16th April
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jameswills said:
alangla said:
I think this is likely to be key. If mRNA really is the new wonder drug/technology then one would expect pharmaceutical companies to be rushing to find applications for it. Those applications, presumably, will have to go through the normal clinical trials process. If those trials either don’t start, or fail at a higher rate than more conventional new treatments, then it’s a fair indication that there was likely to be something amiss with the Covid vaccines. Either way, we’re could be waiting quite some time for that to be noticeable.
Am I waking up in a parallel universe? How anyone can think that these trials are nothing short of an absolute scam is beyond me, the only real trial these companies do is how much they can make vs the costs of damages, if the former outweighs the latter, they will make it succeed. And with this mRNA stuff, they will run and run and run because now they have the full backing of all the countries that are in bed with them and they’ve been granted immunity.

If you’re being sold something, then remember it is not for your benefit. If it is being handed out for free, you are the product. As above, they are now developing wonder anti cancer medicine, well that’s certainly convenient (ching ching). Also seems to be a lot of things that can now cause heart issues, but not the “vaccine”, oh no.
As above, plus we have the pharma funded regulators (or enablers in their own words) and the pharma corrupted medical journals to gatekeep alternative views.

We even have a situation now where a group of MPs can't get access to vaccine data paid for by the public purse.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/02/health...

grumbledoak

31,541 posts

233 months

Tuesday 16th April
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rodericb said:
Research into mRNA has been going on for a couple of decades. The thing was that they didn't have something to carry the mRNA, without it being destroyed on the way, to where it would do its thang - until the lipid nano particle came along a lot more recently.

One might conclude that after some transport mechanism got found for the mRNA payload that the obvious next phase of mrRNA trials would be to see the full impacts of mRNA on all variations of recipient - such as how it behaves when it starts to party hard in ones body.... Is it a stay-in-one-bar type of partieist or does it go a bit crazy, bar-hopping and leaving a trail of destruction 'til it ends up in a someones heart/ovaries/brain rubbish skip after it does what it does...
The lipid nano particles are not that new. They were intended for gene editing technology until it was realized that they would leave a trail of destruction trigger an immune response, and they got re-purposed for vaccination.

Of course, as a gene editing technology they were designed to go bar hopping into every cell in the body. So why were we told the injections would stay in the arms?



Boringvolvodriver

8,977 posts

43 months

Tuesday 16th April
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cliffe_mafia said:
As above, plus we have the pharma funded regulators (or enablers in their own words) and the pharma corrupted medical journals to gatekeep alternative views.

We even have a situation now where a group of MPs can't get access to vaccine data paid for by the public purse.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/02/health...
This is exactly why I am a tad suspicious…………if it is all hunky dory and confirms the safe and effective narrative, then one would think that they would be more than happy to share the data to stop all the conspiracy theorists spouting off.

jameswills

3,481 posts

43 months

Tuesday 16th April
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rodericb said:
Research into mRNA has been going on for a couple of decades. The thing was that they didn't have something to carry the mRNA, without it being destroyed on the way, to where it would do its thang - until the lipid nano particle came along a lot more recently.

One might conclude that after some transport mechanism got found for the mRNA payload that the obvious next phase of mrRNA trials would be to see the full impacts of mRNA on all variations of recipient - such as how it behaves when it starts to party hard in ones body.... Is it a stay-in-one-bar type of partieist or does it go a bit crazy, bar-hopping and leaving a trail of destruction 'til it ends up in a someones heart/ovaries/brain rubbish skip after it does what it does...


Edited by rodericb on Tuesday 16th April 10:17
Now we’re getting somewhere, but I suspect a rabbit hole too far for this forum! Join these conspiracy dots: the pandemic planning just a few years before, dry runs of SARS (swine flu), the predictive programming such as films like Contagion, and then low and behold a “pandemic” appears and just like the movies they produce a “cure” faster than ever ever ever before and are able, through relentless propaganda, administer it to millions of willing participants.

It’s a nice tight script anyway, make a good film.

rodericb

6,759 posts

126 months

Tuesday 16th April
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grumbledoak said:
rodericb said:
Research into mRNA has been going on for a couple of decades. The thing was that they didn't have something to carry the mRNA, without it being destroyed on the way, to where it would do its thang - until the lipid nano particle came along a lot more recently.

One might conclude that after some transport mechanism got found for the mRNA payload that the obvious next phase of mrRNA trials would be to see the full impacts of mRNA on all variations of recipient - such as how it behaves when it starts to party hard in ones body.... Is it a stay-in-one-bar type of partieist or does it go a bit crazy, bar-hopping and leaving a trail of destruction 'til it ends up in a someones heart/ovaries/brain rubbish skip after it does what it does...
The lipid nano particles are not that new. They were intended for gene editing technology until it was realized that they would leave a trail of destruction trigger an immune response, and they got re-purposed for vaccination.

Of course, as a gene editing technology they were designed to go bar hopping into every cell in the body. So why were we told the injections would stay in the arms?
lipid nano particles were first approved in 2018 and I'd hazard a guess and say that mRNA and lipid nano particles were first seriously thrown together in Operation Warp Speed. Pharmaceutical companies were tonguing for mRNA technology so they could make their products very specific and not confer broader immunity. That they get your own body to do the work in creating the thing that your immune system can munch on is probably a nobler pursuit but it's gene therapy so..... Funnily enough people like Neil Young didn't want to drink genetically modified coffee but they don't mind themselves having the same, well, treatment injected right into 'em.... Still, they went the way they went and did not produce an inactivated vaccine like every other vaccine.....

The Selfish Gene

5,511 posts

210 months

Tuesday 16th April
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what's really strange with all this stuff is, as someone posted a couple of pages ago, there is clearly enough evidence of additional cancers, and heart attacks among other things to take a look at it, to investigate it.

That when added to the fact that the vaccine didn't actually work (surely nobody can no debate it did) as a vaccine.

It, at absolute best was a treatment, with side effects.

It didn't at any point stop anyone from catching the 'virus'. It didn't stop anyone from being contagious.

For me - that's the major crux of it - IF there is ANY chance that some of the correlation of the side effects are true (which they are admitted to in many cases by organizations like Pfizer) AND it didn't work anyway - WTF were we doing and what are we doing now?

I am SO thankful I had no part in it. I'm so sorry for those people that were duped, conned and maybe have health issues.

grumbledoak

31,541 posts

233 months

Tuesday 16th April
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rodericb said:
lipid nano particles were first approved in 2018 and I'd hazard a guess and say that mRNA and lipid nano particles were first seriously thrown together in Operation Warp Speed. Pharmaceutical companies were tonguing for mRNA technology so they could make their products very specific and not confer broader immunity. That they get your own body to do the work in creating the thing that your immune system can munch on is probably a nobler pursuit but it's gene therapy so..... Funnily enough people like Neil Young didn't want to drink genetically modified coffee but they don't mind themselves having the same, well, treatment injected right into 'em.... Still, they went the way they went and did not produce an inactivated vaccine like every other vaccine.....
They didn't like all the egg growing. 100 million eggs every year just for the flu vaccine. And the decade of safety testing was expensive. You can find videos online of Fauci talking about all this inconvenience and the need for something to push a disruptive new technology. 2019 at the Milken Institute.

And what happened shortly after? Coincidence, obviously.

BigMon

4,196 posts

129 months

Tuesday 16th April
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I keep repeating the following but my own personal control group of friends, family and work colleagues numbers well over 100.

Of that group, I suspect, the vast majority have had some of the 'doom juice'.

Oddly, none of them have suffered from turbo cancers, dropped dead, have grown second heads, etc, etc. I also don't know anyone who is quivering from fear about Covid or dropping dead from the vaccine. They are, as far as I know, just getting on with life.

Just wondering what constitutes a control group? Asking for a friend.