CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

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Challo

10,156 posts

155 months

Tuesday 16th April
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r3g said:
Hants PHer said:
Yahonza said:
There is no systematic evidence base at all to support (mRNA) vaccines causing cancer. But there is a fair bit of evidence that lockdown(s) delayed screening and treatment for various types of cancers, along with other conditions. That is not to say that vaccines are 100% safe either - such as thing doesn't exist.
Indeed (my bold). Forget snarky references to the BBC or fact checkers; ideally, we need a Randomised Control Trial with one vaccinated and one unvaccinated group that otherwise have the same characteristics - especially age. However, such a RCT seems not to be forthcoming. In the meantime, as isaldiri points out, there are several drugs based around mRNA technology that may settle the argument eventually.
Hmm. I wonder what the possible reasons for that could be. Hmm. scratchchin

Because (for the hard of thinking) that would expose the scam wide open for everyone to see they were duped and lied to.

As for your demands for controlled tests, you don't need any - it's a pointless exercise. All you have to do is take a look at your family, friends and work colleagues and note that - by and large - all the unvaxxed are getting on with their lives in good health and are wondering what all the fuss is about vs the sleeve-rollers who are now either sadly dead frown, or have a growing list of mysterious ailments that have appeared since 2021 that all the GPs are completely baffled by.
I have looked at my family and friends, and even work colleagues and no one I know has died. All in good health, all seem fine and no mystery illness or ailments.

When do you think they will die? Just so I can give them a heads up.

BigMon

4,196 posts

129 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Challo said:
I have looked at my family and friends, and even work colleagues and no one I know has died. All in good health, all seem fine and no mystery illness or ailments.

When do you think they will die? Just so I can give them a heads up.
It would be handy to know wouldn't it, as it's nailed on apparently. It'd at least give me a chance to cancel the milk.

RSTurboPaul

10,392 posts

258 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Challo said:
r3g said:
Hants PHer said:
Yahonza said:
There is no systematic evidence base at all to support (mRNA) vaccines causing cancer. But there is a fair bit of evidence that lockdown(s) delayed screening and treatment for various types of cancers, along with other conditions. That is not to say that vaccines are 100% safe either - such as thing doesn't exist.
Indeed (my bold). Forget snarky references to the BBC or fact checkers; ideally, we need a Randomised Control Trial with one vaccinated and one unvaccinated group that otherwise have the same characteristics - especially age. However, such a RCT seems not to be forthcoming. In the meantime, as isaldiri points out, there are several drugs based around mRNA technology that may settle the argument eventually.
Hmm. I wonder what the possible reasons for that could be. Hmm. scratchchin

Because (for the hard of thinking) that would expose the scam wide open for everyone to see they were duped and lied to.

As for your demands for controlled tests, you don't need any - it's a pointless exercise. All you have to do is take a look at your family, friends and work colleagues and note that - by and large - all the unvaxxed are getting on with their lives in good health and are wondering what all the fuss is about vs the sleeve-rollers who are now either sadly dead frown, or have a growing list of mysterious ailments that have appeared since 2021 that all the GPs are completely baffled by.
I have looked at my family and friends, and even work colleagues and no one I know has died. All in good health, all seem fine and no mystery illness or ailments.

When do you think they will die? Just so I can give them a heads up.
BigMon said:
I keep repeating the following but my own personal control group of friends, family and work colleagues numbers well over 100.

Of that group, I suspect, the vast majority have had some of the 'doom juice'.

Oddly, none of them have suffered from turbo cancers, dropped dead, have grown second heads, etc, etc. I also don't know anyone who is quivering from fear about Covid or dropping dead from the vaccine. They are, as far as I know, just getting on with life.

Just wondering what constitutes a control group? Asking for a friend.
Just to clarify, does the above mean that 'anecdata' is now admissible on this thread and carries weight?

I recall that contributors to this thread providing anecdotal recollections have previously been alleged to be fantasists who post totally fabricated fairy tales about people they know, so it would be useful to know if 'anecdata' no longer falls under this umbrella.



Or is only one sort of anecdata the 'right' anecdata?

BigMon

4,196 posts

129 months

Tuesday 16th April
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RSTurboPaul said:
Just to clarify, does the above mean that 'anecdata' is now admissible on this thread and carries weight?

I recall that contributors to this thread providing anecdotal recollections have previously been alleged to be fantasists who post totally fabricated fairy tales about people they know, so it would be useful to know if 'anecdata' no longer falls under this umbrella.



Or is only one sort of anecdata the 'right' anecdata?
Perhaps you'll also recall that people on here quoting anecdotal recollections have been dismissed as government shills, sleeve rollers, face nappy wearers, etc, etc, etc.

Perhaps you are indeed correct that, on this thread at least, only sort of anecdata is the 'right' anecdata.

LeighW

4,405 posts

188 months

Tuesday 16th April
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RSTurboPaul said:
Just to clarify, does the above mean that 'anecdata' is now admissible on this thread and carries weight?

I recall that contributors to this thread providing anecdotal recollections have previously been alleged to be fantasists who post totally fabricated fairy tales about people they know, so it would be useful to know if 'anecdata' no longer falls under this umbrella.

Or is only one sort of anecdata the 'right' anecdata?
I don't post in this thread very much anymore as I just cannot be bothered arguing. I'll just leave this, these are all people aged late 40s to early 50s, these occurences all happened between December 21 and early 23:

My sister, within weeks of the Pfizer booster, developed autoimmune problems, now diagnosed as autoimmune inflammatory myositis with secondary sjogren's syndrome. Still on a cocktail of drugs, regular stays in hospital, on good days can walk with sticks, needs help to wash herself.

Out of a circle of around 10 male friends, one had a stroke, fortunately has recovered well, another developed heart problems and now has a pacemaker.

One of my clients, fatal stroke.

Another client's wife, fatal stroke.

All vaccinated, all with no known prior health issues.

I know of more, but these are people I am/was directly connected to. Just to add some balance to the 'I know 100 people and we're all fine' comments. I wish my sister was fine instead of dependent on my 80 year old mum, and facing going into a care home if/when my mum can't cope anymore.

If you choose not to believe me, fine, but there we are.

RSTurboPaul

10,392 posts

258 months

Wednesday 17th April
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LeighW said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Just to clarify, does the above mean that 'anecdata' is now admissible on this thread and carries weight?

I recall that contributors to this thread providing anecdotal recollections have previously been alleged to be fantasists who post totally fabricated fairy tales about people they know, so it would be useful to know if 'anecdata' no longer falls under this umbrella.

Or is only one sort of anecdata the 'right' anecdata?
I don't post in this thread very much anymore as I just cannot be bothered arguing. I'll just leave this, these are all people aged late 40s to early 50s, these occurences all happened between December 21 and early 23:

My sister, within weeks of the Pfizer booster, developed autoimmune problems, now diagnosed as autoimmune inflammatory myositis with secondary sjogren's syndrome. Still on a cocktail of drugs, regular stays in hospital, on good days can walk with sticks, needs help to wash herself.

Out of a circle of around 10 male friends, one had a stroke, fortunately has recovered well, another developed heart problems and now has a pacemaker.

One of my clients, fatal stroke.

Another client's wife, fatal stroke.

All vaccinated, all with no known prior health issues.

I know of more, but these are people I am/was directly connected to. Just to add some balance to the 'I know 100 people and we're all fine' comments. I wish my sister was fine instead of dependent on my 80 year old mum, and facing going into a care home if/when my mum can't cope anymore.

If you choose not to believe me, fine, but there we are.
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope your sister is able to get sorted out at some point. Your mum may be able to receive some sort of Carer allowance if she does not already do so, which might enable respite care to be arranged at least periodically?


From the people I know... early-40s male had massive chest pain after being injected (to the point of almost calling an ambulance); 60-something woman dead in about 6 months from aggressive cancer but no family history of it; 70-something male with long-term well-managed prostate cancer seemingly had it 'reactivate' and spread quickly and terminally within about 6 months of injection; 50-something work colleague diagnosed with colon and liver cancer about 6 months after a booster injection (outcome TBC...); 50-something colleague seemingly died suddenly and unexpectedly; mid-30s woman has totally messed-up periods.


I'm sure some will say that such things are bound to happen by chance in a social circle of any given size, therefore 'nothing to see here'....

But, of course, that would then mean that those proclaiming no-one they know has had any similar issues are statistical outliers, surely?

BigMon

4,196 posts

129 months

Wednesday 17th April
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RSTurboPaul said:
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope your sister is able to get sorted out at some point. Your mum may be able to receive some sort of Carer allowance if she does not already do so, which might enable respite care to be arranged at least periodically?


From the people I know... early-40s male had massive chest pain after being injected (to the point of almost calling an ambulance); 60-something woman dead in about 6 months from aggressive cancer but no family history of it; 70-something male with long-term well-managed prostate cancer seemingly had it 'reactivate' and spread quickly and terminally within about 6 months of injection; 50-something work colleague diagnosed with colon and liver cancer about 6 months after a booster injection (outcome TBC...); 50-something colleague seemingly died suddenly and unexpectedly; mid-30s woman has totally messed-up periods.


I'm sure some will say that such things are bound to happen by chance in a social circle of any given size, therefore 'nothing to see here'....

But, of course, that would then mean that those proclaiming no-one they know has had any similar issues are statistical outliers, surely?
FWIW I don't doubt your or anyone's experiences but does it honestly not strike you as odd that there are two of us who don't know anyone suffering from the ailments you describe?

I'm no vaccine zealot, I don't doubt that there are many people who had adverse reactions to it the same as any medication. I wish I'd not had my two shots and, as I have stated before, I have many reservations and concerns about Covid and the reaction to it.

I'm in the same camp as Hants PHer. Until there is a cold, scientific, peer reviewed study we simply cannot state the vaccine is the primary cause of every ailment.

What I'm not going to do is believe 'facts for the easily led' from pish sites like zerohedge or sit here crowing about not having had the vaccine and almost praying for a wide swathe of people to become seriously ill so it will 'prove me right.

RemarkLima

2,375 posts

212 months

Wednesday 17th April
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Is the "experience" somewhat analogous to asbestos?

I've never known of, nor met anyone affected by asbestos - this is despite knowing people who used to saw it dry, before being told, best damp it down before sawing it - or my uncle who used to mix up asbestos powder into a paste and use as insulation on hot water tanks.

However, the issues around asbestos are widely known. The vaccine risks haven't been helped by "Safe and Effective", to "No heart issues" to "Does sometimes cause issues". If the message had been honest, that there's very small risks, you wouldn't leave room for the "Lies! It's all lies!!", which has caused a mistrust in public health and all the further issues stemming from this.

There are known risks with all medication, and all vaccines. It's why informed consent really matters... Like others, without a lot more studies, it's just guesswork, there's proven carcinogens in processed meat [1], there's micro plastics, there's Teflon coatings, particulates, hormones (in food and taken) etc... Then throw in NHS delays, lockdowns, stress, depression, vaccines, etc... And really it's an enormous task to pick apart, and cynically, one likely to rock a few too many apple carts to get a desire to fund it.

[1] https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answer...

BigMon

4,196 posts

129 months

Wednesday 17th April
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RemarkLima said:
Is the "experience" somewhat analogous to asbestos?

I've never known of, nor met anyone affected by asbestos - this is despite knowing people who used to saw it dry, before being told, best damp it down before sawing it - or my uncle who used to mix up asbestos powder into a paste and use as insulation on hot water tanks.

However, the issues around asbestos are widely known. The vaccine risks haven't been helped by "Safe and Effective", to "No heart issues" to "Does sometimes cause issues". If the message had been honest, that there's very small risks, you wouldn't leave room for the "Lies! It's all lies!!", which has caused a mistrust in public health and all the further issues stemming from this.

There are known risks with all medication, and all vaccines. It's why informed consent really matters... Like others, without a lot more studies, it's just guesswork, there's proven carcinogens in processed meat [1], there's micro plastics, there's Teflon coatings, particulates, hormones (in food and taken) etc... Then throw in NHS delays, lockdowns, stress, depression, vaccines, etc... And really it's an enormous task to pick apart, and cynically, one likely to rock a few too many apple carts to get a desire to fund it.

[1] https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answer...
Fair points all.

grumbledoak

31,541 posts

233 months

Wednesday 17th April
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RemarkLima said:
Is the "experience" somewhat analogous to asbestos?

I've never known of, nor met anyone affected by asbestos - this is despite knowing people who used to saw it dry, before being told, best damp it down before sawing it - or my uncle who used to mix up asbestos powder into a paste and use as insulation on hot water tanks.

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It's a good analogy. A wonder material, used everywhere. It was considered safe for a long while. But that was just an assumption. The absence of evidence. Now we know otherwise...

r3g

3,173 posts

24 months

Wednesday 17th April
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BigMon said:
What I'm not going to do is believe 'facts for the easily led' from pish sites like zerohedge
You (and others from your thread) have said this several times throughout this thread. What sites should "the easily led" be using for truthful and trustworthy sources on all matters covaids and vaccines? I have in fact asked this of you (collectively) several times now, but oddly no answer is ever forthcoming.

BigMon

4,196 posts

129 months

Wednesday 17th April
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r3g said:
You (and others from your thread) have said this several times throughout this thread. What sites should "the easily led" be using for truthful and trustworthy sources on all matters covaids and vaccines? I have in fact asked this of you (collectively) several times now, but oddly no answer is ever forthcoming.
That's because you are a lost cause and nothing me or anyone else said would convince you otherwise.

I don't bother arguing with Jehovahs Witnesses either. If they want to believe in their pish it's up to them, similar with zerohedge 'facts'.

r3g

3,173 posts

24 months

Wednesday 17th April
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BigMon said:
r3g said:
You (and others from your thread) have said this several times throughout this thread. What sites should "the easily led" be using for truthful and trustworthy sources on all matters covaids and vaccines? I have in fact asked this of you (collectively) several times now, but oddly no answer is ever forthcoming.
That's because you are a lost cause and nothing me or anyone else said would convince you otherwise.

I don't bother arguing with Jehovahs Witnesses either. If they want to believe in their pish it's up to them, similar with zerohedge 'facts'.
More fluff from you - no surprises here! Ignore me then.. post the links for the benefit of the rest of the thread readers >

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BigMon

4,196 posts

129 months

Wednesday 17th April
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r3g said:
More fluff from you - no surprises here! Ignore me then.. post the links for the benefit of the rest of the thread readers >

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The ones who I can debate sensibly with like Elysium or Hants PHer have no need of such lists.

You keep getting your info from zerohedge and the like. I and others like me will keep occasionally pointing out it's pish due to it being, erm, pish.

r3g

3,173 posts

24 months

Wednesday 17th April
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BigMon said:
The ones who I can debate sensibly with like Elysium or Hants PHer have no need of such lists.

You keep getting your info from zerohedge and the like. I and others like me will keep occasionally pointing out it's pish due to it being, erm, pish.
So in short then : you can't provide any links to back up any of your claims. It's just "Zerohedge is wrong because I say so". Cool.

captain_cynic

12,032 posts

95 months

Wednesday 17th April
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BigMon said:
It would be handy to know wouldn't it, as it's nailed on apparently. It'd at least give me a chance to cancel the milk.
I'm pretty sure weve all died at least three times because of the vaccine according to this thread.

BigMon

4,196 posts

129 months

Wednesday 17th April
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r3g said:
So in short then : you can't provide any links to back up any of your claims. It's just "Zerohedge is wrong because I say so". Cool.
We can keep dancing this dance if you want but I'll keep referring you back to the Jehovahs Witnesses answer.

In the meantime feel free to have the last word. I know it's important to you.

alangla

4,805 posts

181 months

Wednesday 17th April
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RemarkLima said:
Is the "experience" somewhat analogous to asbestos?
I’ve thought for a while that it might be more like Thalidomide, though I suspect it was more extensively tested before being generally available.

r3g

3,173 posts

24 months

Wednesday 17th April
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BigMon said:
r3g said:
So in short then : you can't provide any links to back up any of your claims. It's just "Zerohedge is wrong because I say so". Cool.
We can keep dancing this dance if you want but I'll keep referring you back to the Jehovahs Witnesses answer.
You can refer as much as you like.

The bottom line is that you and your clique from the other thread continue to troll this thread by popping in every few days to inform everyone that the articles from (eg.) oncologists are "pish" but when asked to provide your evidence and workings to substantiate your claims and show why they are wrong, all we get is radio silence and you quietly slink off back to your bridge.

White-Noise

4,277 posts

248 months

Wednesday 17th April
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r3g said:
BigMon said:
r3g said:
You (and others from your thread) have said this several times throughout this thread. What sites should "the easily led" be using for truthful and trustworthy sources on all matters covaids and vaccines? I have in fact asked this of you (collectively) several times now, but oddly no answer is ever forthcoming.
That's because you are a lost cause and nothing me or anyone else said would convince you otherwise.

I don't bother arguing with Jehovahs Witnesses either. If they want to believe in their pish it's up to them, similar with zerohedge 'facts'.
More fluff from you - no surprises here! Ignore me then.. post the links for the benefit of the rest of the thread readers >

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OK being fairly new to this thread I am intrigued by this information and am interested to hear. Can you share some links for me, I hopefully am not a lost cause!