CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

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jameswills

3,525 posts

44 months

Sunday 28th April
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r3g said:
isaldiri said:
r3g said:
isaldiri said:
There have been a couple of psychology studies done pre covid I believe that show the default position of people is to double down when presented with evidence to the contrary rather than reconsider their original position - that has shown itself to be rather accurate over the pandemic I think.....
Yes, indeed it has...
You are a very good example of that yes.
Please furnish me with the details of this supposed "evidence to the contrary" that I have apparently refuted. >
The only doubling down is people that still believe that there was a virus and the “vaccine” did anything positive, based on pretty much nothing that can be substantiated.

r3g

3,241 posts

25 months

Sunday 28th April
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jameswills said:
The only doubling down is people that still believe that there was a virus and the “vaccine” did anything positive, based on pretty much nothing that can be substantiated.
Cancelled NHS appointments bro. < there's your evidence as it's been on the BBC and confirmed by the fact checkers.

Everything is fine.gif.

jameswills

3,525 posts

44 months

Sunday 28th April
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Of course it is silly me. The NHS, keeping healthy 40 year olds alive since 1948

Boringvolvodriver

8,997 posts

44 months

Sunday 28th April
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r3g said:
jameswills said:
The only doubling down is people that still believe that there was a virus and the “vaccine” did anything positive, based on pretty much nothing that can be substantiated.
Cancelled NHS appointments bro. < there's your evidence as it's been on the BBC and confirmed by the fact checkers.

Everything is fine.gif.
And of course there is nothing wrong with the MHRA and ONS having the details of illness and deaths by vaccination status and only disclosing it to the manufacturers and not politicians under a MOI request and the general public. The claim of commercial sensitivity is fully justified………

And who checks the fact checkers - I mean that lady at the BBC is so reliable that she would never lie on A CV would she?



Elysium

13,868 posts

188 months

Sunday 28th April
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jameswills said:
r3g said:
isaldiri said:
r3g said:
isaldiri said:
There have been a couple of psychology studies done pre covid I believe that show the default position of people is to double down when presented with evidence to the contrary rather than reconsider their original position - that has shown itself to be rather accurate over the pandemic I think.....
Yes, indeed it has...
You are a very good example of that yes.
Please furnish me with the details of this supposed "evidence to the contrary" that I have apparently refuted. >
The only doubling down is people that still believe that there was a virus and the “vaccine” did anything positive, based on pretty much nothing that can be substantiated.
You basically just proved Isaldiri’s point.

Your belief system is every bit as flawed as that of the people who wanted to mandate vaccination.


isaldiri

18,633 posts

169 months

Sunday 28th April
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To jameswills credit though, at least he's polite unlike some others adamant that their right.......

Elysium

13,868 posts

188 months

Sunday 28th April
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James may be also right about some things. But when people have reached a point where they reject all evidence that contradicts their position the possibility of any rational discussion has gone.

It is possible to have deeply held convictions whilst also remaining open to other possible explanations.


r3g

3,241 posts

25 months

Sunday 28th April
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isaldiri said:
To jameswills credit though, at least he's polite unlike some others adamant that their right.......
That is rich coming from you of all people. You have been abusive in your replies going back at least 2 years towards anyone who hasn't parroted The Official Narrative. Your posts would be far more fitting in the other thread.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to provide me with this when you are ready :

isaldiri said:
r3g said:
isaldiri said:
There have been a couple of psychology studies done pre covid I believe that show the default position of people is to double down when presented with evidence to the contrary rather than reconsider their original position - that has shown itself to be rather accurate over the pandemic I think.....
Yes, indeed it has...
You are a very good example of that yes.
Please furnish me with the details of this supposed "evidence to the contrary" that I have apparently refuted. >

isaldiri

18,633 posts

169 months

Sunday 28th April
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Pointing out what you are claiming is just blatantly incorrect and zerohedge is a load of tosh isn't 'being abusive' for anyone who isn't a snowflake. If you think I have been abusive then I'm afraid it says rather more about you than me. I didn't even really have a go at doc.martin despite being called quite a few things so i think while I'm guilty of many things, that isn't going to be one of them.

r3g

3,241 posts

25 months

Sunday 28th April
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isaldiri said:
Pointing out what you are claiming is just blatantly incorrect and zerohedge is a load of tosh isn't 'being abusive' for anyone who isn't a snowflake. If you think I have been the latter then I'm afraid it says rather more about you than me.
I'm referring to your post history going back several years where you have consistently been abusive to any person who you deemed to be a CT because they dared to question and point out the gaping holes in The Official Narrative, and in fact you continue to do so, as evidenced in your posts here in this thread from just a few days ago. To then come here and post about being polite is the height of hypocrisy.

And I'm still waiting for this "evidence to the contrary" from you. List the specific example(s) :

isaldiri

18,633 posts

169 months

Sunday 28th April
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Oh well, sometimes I wonder if I have actually taken leave of my senses but hey, being called a denialist peddling the official narrative here and an antivax conspiracy theorist elsewhere rather does reassure me I haven't gone crazy......yet....

Edited by isaldiri on Sunday 28th April 11:17

Hants PHer

5,757 posts

112 months

Sunday 28th April
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jameswills said:
The only doubling down is people that still believe that there was a virus and the “vaccine” did anything positive, based on pretty much nothing that can be substantiated.
As others have said, your posts are civilised and seem to be meant sincerely. But I'm curious: if there was no Covid virus in, say, March/April 2020, what caused the spike in infections? A paramedic (user name pneumothorax) posted on here with real life reports of very strange symptoms, notably hypoxia, that he hadn't seen before. What he witnessed, first hand, was something new and different. If not Covid, then what?

Then there's the vaccines. Studies from the likes of the ONS, NHS England and The Lancet all showed greatly reduced rates of intensive care admissions and deaths in those who had the vaccines. Those studies are freely available with a spot of cursory Googling. When you say the vaccine(s) did not do "anything positive" that can be "substantiated", are you saying that all the studies are wrong?

With all due respect, your comment that I've quoted is pretty staggering and hard to take seriously.

119

6,446 posts

37 months

Sunday 28th April
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Hants PHer said:
jameswills said:
The only doubling down is people that still believe that there was a virus and the “vaccine” did anything positive, based on pretty much nothing that can be substantiated.
As others have said, your posts are civilised and seem to be meant sincerely. But I'm curious: if there was no Covid virus in, say, March/April 2020, what caused the spike in infections? A paramedic (user name pneumothorax) posted on here with real life reports of very strange symptoms, notably hypoxia, that he hadn't seen before. What he witnessed, first hand, was something new and different. If not Covid, then what?

Then there's the vaccines. Studies from the likes of the ONS, NHS England and The Lancet all showed greatly reduced rates of intensive care admissions and deaths in those who had the vaccines. Those studies are freely available with a spot of cursory Googling. When you say the vaccine(s) did not do "anything positive" that can be "substantiated", are you saying that all the studies are wrong?

With all due respect, your comment that I've quoted is pretty staggering and hard to take seriously.
You are wasting your time.

r3g

3,241 posts

25 months

Sunday 28th April
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isaldiri said:
Oh well, sometimes I wonder if I have actually taken leave of my senses but hey, being called a denialist peddling the official narrative here and an antivax conspiracy theorist elsewhere rather does reassure me I haven't gone crazy......yet....
OK so in short then, you're a massive hypocrite. It's OK for you to name call and be abusive to anyone who you do deem to be a CT because they don't parrot The Official Narrative, despite having proven to be right countless times, but if someone dares to point out the utter stupidity from you and others like Elysium who continue post your "evidence" to the contrary using official government figures which have been proven on numerous occasions to be made-up/fabricated/manipulated to suit whichever agenda/narrative they want to push today, then those people are mean and not being polite. Cool! rolleyes

bodhi

10,576 posts

230 months

Sunday 28th April
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r3g said:
OK so in short then, you're a massive hypocrite. It's OK for you to name call and be abusive to anyone who you do deem to be a CT because they don't parrot The Official Narrative, despite having proven to be right countless times, but if someone dares to point out the utter stupidity from you and others like Elysium who continue post your "evidence" to the contrary using official government figures which have been proven on numerous occasions to be made-up/fabricated/manipulated to suit whichever agenda/narrative they want to push today, then those people are mean and not being polite. Cool! rolleyes
You'd have to be on some pretty strong drugs to suggest isaldiri frequently parroted the official narrative (TM) - in fact you're suffering from the same problem that occurs on that other thread. Just because you disagree with the narrative and someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they agree with the narrative.

Life ain't that black and white unfortunately dude, and binary nonsense like that is half the reason why reasonable discussions are so hard to come by these days.

r3g

3,241 posts

25 months

Sunday 28th April
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bodhi said:
You'd have to be on some pretty strong drugs to suggest isaldiri frequently parroted the official narrative (TM) - in fact you're suffering from the same problem that occurs on that other thread. Just because you disagree with the narrative and someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they agree with the narrative.

Life ain't that black and white unfortunately dude, and binary nonsense like that is half the reason why reasonable discussions are so hard to come by these days.
Perhaps you should go back and read his posts then as it would appear you have a poor memory. Any questioning by others of the official figures with the suggestion that something sinister could be going on has been met with abuse and ridicule. Just a few days ago he referred to such people not believing the official narrative as "turds in a swimming pool" (paraphrasing) and that kind of thing has been consistent from him since I've been here at least. He did it to BVD just the other day, scoffing at him for daring to have thoughts in his head that didn't align with The Official Narrative - "you are better than this" or some similarly condescending tone, hence why I've called him a massive hypocrite accusing others of not being polite, because it's true.

Edited by r3g on Sunday 28th April 12:49

bodhi

10,576 posts

230 months

Sunday 28th April
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r3g said:
Perhaps you should go back and read his posts then as it would appear you have a poor memory. Any questioning by others of the official figures with the suggestion that something sinister could be going on has been met with abuse and ridicule. Just a few days ago he referred to such people not believing the official narrative as "turds in a swimming pool" (paraphrasing) and that kind of thing has been consistent from him since I've been here at least. He did it to BVD just the other day, scoffing at him for daring to have thoughts in his head that didn't align with The Official Narrative - "you are better than this" or some similarly condescending tone, hence why I've called him a massive hypocrite accusing others of being not being polite, because it's true.
Were they turbo turds in a swimming pool by any chance?

g3org3y

20,647 posts

192 months

Sunday 28th April
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r3g said:
isaldiri said:
Oh well, sometimes I wonder if I have actually taken leave of my senses but hey, being called a denialist peddling the official narrative here and an antivax conspiracy theorist elsewhere rather does reassure me I haven't gone crazy......yet....
OK so in short then, you're a massive hypocrite. It's OK for you to name call and be abusive to anyone who you do deem to be a CT because they don't parrot The Official Narrative, despite having proven to be right countless times, but if someone dares to point out the utter stupidity from you and others like Elysium who continue post your "evidence" to the contrary using official government figures which have been proven on numerous occasions to be made-up/fabricated/manipulated to suit whichever agenda/narrative they want to push today, then those people are mean and not being polite. Cool! rolleyes
I think we must have been reading very different posts from isaldiri and Elysium over the last couple of years.

bodhi said:
r3g said:
OK so in short then, you're a massive hypocrite. It's OK for you to name call and be abusive to anyone who you do deem to be a CT because they don't parrot The Official Narrative, despite having proven to be right countless times, but if someone dares to point out the utter stupidity from you and others like Elysium who continue post your "evidence" to the contrary using official government figures which have been proven on numerous occasions to be made-up/fabricated/manipulated to suit whichever agenda/narrative they want to push today, then those people are mean and not being polite. Cool! rolleyes
You'd have to be on some pretty strong drugs to suggest isaldiri frequently parroted the official narrative (TM) - in fact you're suffering from the same problem that occurs on that other thread. Just because you disagree with the narrative and someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they agree with the narrative.

Life ain't that black and white unfortunately dude, and binary nonsense like that is half the reason why reasonable discussions are so hard to come by these days.
^^This. isaldiri has been one of the most legit posters on this thread.

isaldiri

18,633 posts

169 months

Sunday 28th April
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g3org3y said:
I think we must have been reading very different posts from isaldiri and Elysium over the last couple of years.
Funnily enough, if anything it's the unfortunate elysium has probably caught the most of the sarcasm from me on the thread as I've probably had some of the strongest disagreements here with him and i admit being a little cutting does tend to creep into my posts on extended discussions that I think are getting a little too convoluted..... tumbleweed

r3g

3,241 posts

25 months

Sunday 28th April
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g3org3y said:
I think we must have been reading very different posts from isaldiri and Elysium over the last couple of years.
Well, if you want someone to parrot made-up figures from official government channels without any context and completely ignore what's actually going on outside in the real world, sure, I can imagine the confirmation bias is comforting for a lot of people and they can keep their blinkers on and rest-assured that all is well in the world.

Those still using government data to support their arguments are basically still where John C was 2 years ago before he woke up, did his research and realsed that everything he'd been using from the government was complete BS data. It's not even a debate anymore as this stuff has been exposed wide open for years now, but some stubbornly refuse to admit it because saving face is more important.