Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
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Pan Pan Pan said:
The promises of all the political parties are the equivalent of moon-sticks, What on earth makes you think that labours moon sticks, are better than all the other's moon stick? They never have been in the past.
You know, there’s a Starmer thread and even an Ange thread for all your Labour whinging.Try posting there rather than here and leave us to poke fun at Reform’s attempts to be a serious political party.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Killboy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Labour are currently promising the moon on a stick. You don't seriously believe they are going to deliver on their promises do you? If you do, you must have been off the planet for the last 50 years.
What moon-sticks are they offering? I've just looked at their missions and it seems alright?Interesting bias.
Pan Pan Pan said:
smn159 said:
crankedup5 said:
I think that we have different politics and perspectives 
Maybe, but that still doesn't explain why you are so wiling to give these clowns a free pass.Do you not value a degree of competence, honesty and, well, basic literacy in those who you would want to represent you?
HTH.
AmyRichardson said:
crankedup5 said:
The Tories are dead ducks walking, those leaning on the Right of the Tory Party are clearly weighing up their best options that will megaphone their agenda. At one stage recently the tittle tattle was Braverman , Patel and others welcoming Farage into the Tory Party. Right now the questions seems to be will those Tories jump ship and follow Lee Anderson.
It's a dark time for the RoC elements in UK politics; instead of holding things together as defeat approaches, as per 1997, there's Monty Python style splintering on the right of the spectrum. That's not healthy for our politics as the centrist/LoC side of things have got there house well in order, in as much as they're ever able to. If there isn't a reconsolidation on the right we'll be heading for a period, possibly longer than 97-10, in which Labour dominate politics without serious challenge.
Fingers crossed its a case of post-defeat catharsis starting early; the trouble makers will spin-off into their own cliquey self-made wildernesses and those who want to be in the tent will learn how to p1ss outwards.
The ROC will then be able to coalesce around the existing Tory party, which although smaller might well find itself in a long term better place as the disaffected VROC are no longer in the tent pissing inwards.
The only concern is that someone like Truss/Braverman etc will hang around hoping that the mad-as-a-box-of-frogs local members make them leader enabling them to take control of the Tory party remains and continue the current strategy of moving further right. That will see the Tories out of real power for years.
It's important that the sensible Tories take control of the ROC and form a proper opposition to Labour.
(*1) I'll not call them far right, as that triggers Cranky.
tangerine_sedge said:
(*1) I'll not call them far right, as that triggers Cranky.
Or take the diplomacy a step further: "considerably right of centre", desc: "croc-pots"It's hard to see how this will play out. Last time it took 8 years to exit the comfort-zone wilderness, but this isn't last time - a whole world of additional worst-instinct rabbit holes have been explored, and continue to be explored.
S600BSB said:
smn159 said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Thank goodness for the Brussels courts 
NatCon conference to resume after Brussels court overturns closure order
What a relief! Let the conference resumeNatCon conference to resume after Brussels court overturns closure order
valiant said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The promises of all the political parties are the equivalent of moon-sticks, What on earth makes you think that labours moon sticks, are better than all the other's moon stick? They never have been in the past.
You know, there’s a Starmer thread and even an Ange thread for all your Labour whinging.Try posting there rather than here and leave us to poke fun at Reform’s attempts to be a serious political party.
Killboy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Killboy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Labour are currently promising the moon on a stick. You don't seriously believe they are going to deliver on their promises do you? If you do, you must have been off the planet for the last 50 years.
What moon-sticks are they offering? I've just looked at their missions and it seems alright?Interesting bias.
If you believe that teh other parties are not offering moon sticks, the interesting bias is all yours.
Pan Pan Pan said:
If you believe that teh other parties are not offering moon sticks, the interesting bias is all yours.
It's just about what we had until 2015, then things started going off the rails.
This government (ie the last 4 years) appears to have achieved absolutely nothing of value to the electorate. Instead they spend nearly all the parliamentary time available trying to get the Rwanda bill through, while problems elsewhere build up, with the very obvious intent that they become Labour's problem in 12 months time.
Oilchange said:
London, Mayday parade, Labour supporters, some time ago
Yeah, the folks carrying the big portrait of Stalin and hammer-and-sickle flags are absolutely, demonstrably supporters of the Labour Party. You can tell because of the party initials - CPGB-ML, which stands for 'Corbyn Promises Great Broadband - Multiply Labour'. Oh wait; no it doesn't. They're from the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist Leninist). The ones who urged people to vote for the Brexit Party in 2019 and supported the Gilet Jaunes. crankedup5 said:
Shadow Chancellor when Corbyn was leader had his little red book. They will be stirring once SKS is in No 10. Should be fun.
Stalin: Famous for his Little Red Book...Oilchange said:
Yeah, when theres even a whiff of something ‘right’ going on the left wet their pants and out come the Hitler references. Even though Hitlers totalitarian party the ‘National Socialists’ swept up both ends of the spectrum to confuse the st out of any extremists…
Don't. Talk. st out of any extremists…t. The NSDAP didn't 'sweep up both ends of the spectrum'. The socialists and communists of Germany overwhelmingly didn't vote for or support Hitler, and the weakest NSDAP support was in the urban industrial working class cities of Germany. The Nazi's promoted themselves as a radical centre-course between decadent liberalism and totalitarian communism and their main supporter base were the conservative middle class, the urban white-collar 'clerical class', rural farming families and German big business.
For people who get all twitchy-eyed and indignant when tedious libs/lefties inaccurately apply terms like 'far right' and 'fascist', you don't half seem prone to doing it in the other direction.
S600BSB said:
smn159 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Thank goodness for the Brussels courts
NatCon conference to resume after Brussels court overturns closure order
What a relief! Let the conference resumeNatCon conference to resume after Brussels court overturns closure order
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