Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

Tory party support has suffered a generational collapse and yet the right-wing alternative might still see out an election without winning a single seat. And you think that this is some kind of indication that they could become a major political force? That's an absolutely ridiculous reach.

Because they don't want to live in France and many have valid reasons for having that opinion. There's a lot of crap talked about how they should stop in the first available safe country. It's crap.

Give them an easier access option. Properly fund the teams evaluating their applications including the ability to say no.

Don't sit and bh about immigrants whilst supporting the system that results in small boats.

Because the Tories have systematically destroyed the asylum system in the UK, and people coming here know they can play the game. The French system works, so why would anyone with a tenuous claim want to stay there? Much easier to jump on a boat than risk being sent home. The fact that our current ghouls are proposing to send these people to Africa rather than just fixing the system they've dismantled tells you everything you need to know about how much they care about solving the problem. But that doesn't fit the right wing narrative.

The backlog of applications has grown from 4,000 to almost 150,000 since the Tories took power. Yet actual asylum claims per year are barely any higher now than they were 20 years ago. All they've done to try and solve it, in the loosest sense of the word, is to put people in hotels and throw money at this Rwanda nonsense. Systematic underinvestment in the processing system has destroyed it, making the UK an easy target for people with spurious claims and holding up valid applications. If we had a working system, that processed valid claims in the same way that France and Germany do, then the number of people on boats would drop overnight. France targets to resolve asylum claims in 6 months, and is pretty successful. The average processing time in the UK is closer to 2 years. But again, this doesn't fit a right wing narrative.

Is the difference that France and Germany give them nothing, no pay outs, no hotels, nothing (hence they live in camps on the beaches and only support is from charities). Our issue has never been immigration, pre brexit or post brexit, it is our free for all welfare system. Why would you not take the risk to come here?

It seems obvious that under the Tories the asylum system has become unfit for purpose. I doubt Labour would change much about the Home Office either, and their "smash the criminal gangs" rhetoric is risible: we can't even deal with shoplifters on our own high streets!

Meanwhile, Reform are suggesting a new Department of Immigration. Ignoring the childish cries of "Reform are all racist xenophobes", it is at least an idea that might have merit. Or we could just leave it all to Labour or the Tories, who between them have done so, so well on immigration over the past few decades.........

Failing to adapt to numbers of applications that are no higher than they were 20 years ago is failing no matter how you want to spin it.

If your asylum claim was a bit tenuous, as many are, would you:
a) Stop in a country where the system is efficient, and your application was likely to be processed in less than 6 months
or
b) Travel on to a country where your application will typically take around 2 years, during which time you'll be housed for free?

Not a hard one to understand, is it?

Germany welcomed immigrants en-mass back in 2015, banners out and flowers presented to welcome in immigrants. That welcome has now evaporated as the Country struggles with the numbers entering the Country. They no longer have adequate housing and their infrastructure is creaking, all sounds familiar.
The EU Parliament have agreed a share and share alike for each member Country to accept a quota of immigrants each year. Financial repercussions will be dropped onto member Countries who ‘miss their targets’. Couple of member Countries have declared ‘were not playing’.
Next five years will be interesting to see how the plan works out.
Our own Labour leader went over to France in a bid to join the scheme, but Brussels said no, members only

All well and good, but how you are supposed to process people when you don't even know who they are, where they have come from and why they left there in the first place?

(because they have, mostly purposefully, turned up without any paperwork.)

You can't just grant asylum to anyone that turns up without papers and neither can you refuse it because they might be genuine refugees.

I've never seen a credible answer to how you deal with that quickly and efficiently short of making some pretty arbitrary decisions.

If you are going to investigate every case to try & get the answers then its bound to take time.