Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

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Jordie Barretts sock

4,229 posts

20 months

Saturday 27th April
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chrispmartha said:
Liz Truss is mental and the fact that she was ever Pm shows what a stshow it has been. Same for Boris Johnson.
However, it was the Conservative Party members that voted for her over Sunak. That would suggest that the party wanted a right wing PM. She was ousted by the parliamentary Conservatives and we got unelected Sunak as party leader and PM. That might explain why so many Tory faithful are defecting to Reform.

Pan Pan Pan

9,948 posts

112 months

Saturday 27th April
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borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
CraigyMc said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Dave200 said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
crankedup5 said:
A few posters laugh you can coast from stats to stats offered from differing outlets, most will present entirely differing ‘facts and figures’.For example the students entering the U.K. mentioned earlier, no mention of family members accompany of students and wether that was included or not in the stats presented. We do know that family members are now restricted to overseas students.
Oh dear. This immigrant also knows how to spell 'whether'.

Another slip? I think not.

Never mind your argument your lack of basic English grammar is pointing to a limited education. Which explains quite a lot.
It's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago, Reform appeals to older, less well-educated folks.
What, You mean labour supporters?
Labour has plenty of young supporters.
So do other political parties. Your Point?
Some parties have broader demographic support than others.
Indeed but the question is which one? Please don't insult peoples intelligence, by suggesting labour, or the tories.

borcy

2,961 posts

57 months

Saturday 27th April
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Pan Pan Pan said:
Indeed but the question is which one? Please don't insult peoples intelligence, by suggesting labour, or the tories.
I'm guessing from your post you have an idea/know which party has a broad age support?

Pan Pan Pan

9,948 posts

112 months

Saturday 27th April
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borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Indeed but the question is which one? Please don't insult peoples intelligence, by suggesting labour, or the tories.
I'm guessing from your post you have an idea/know which party has a broad age support?
If I did, I would be a millionaire by now, Sadly I am not.

chrispmartha

15,514 posts

130 months

Saturday 27th April
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Pan Pan Pan said:
borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Indeed but the question is which one? Please don't insult peoples intelligence, by suggesting labour, or the tories.
I'm guessing from your post you have an idea/know which party has a broad age support?
If I did, I would be a millionaire by now, Sadly I am not.

borcy

2,961 posts

57 months

Saturday 27th April
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Pan Pan Pan said:
borcy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Indeed but the question is which one? Please don't insult peoples intelligence, by suggesting labour, or the tories.
I'm guessing from your post you have an idea/know which party has a broad age support?
If I did, I would be a millionaire by now, Sadly I am not.
Ok, how do you know who doesn't have broad age support?

Dave200

3,988 posts

221 months

Saturday 27th April
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crankedup5 said:
Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.
This explains so much, and is a perfect example of the social disenfranchisement that frauds like Reform are trying to tap into.

bad company

18,671 posts

267 months

Saturday 27th April
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Dave200 said:
A vote for Reform, protest or otherwise, is simply a wasted vote.
Whereas a vote for one of the main parties both of which are incompetent imo is a meaningful vote?

Dave200

3,988 posts

221 months

Saturday 27th April
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Pan Pan Pan said:
Dave200 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Dave200 said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
crankedup5 said:
A few posters laugh you can coast from stats to stats offered from differing outlets, most will present entirely differing ‘facts and figures’.For example the students entering the U.K. mentioned earlier, no mention of family members accompany of students and wether that was included or not in the stats presented. We do know that family members are now restricted to overseas students.
Oh dear. This immigrant also knows how to spell 'whether'.

Another slip? I think not.

Never mind your argument your lack of basic English grammar is pointing to a limited education. Which explains quite a lot.
It's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago, Reform appeals to older, less well-educated folks.
What, You mean labour supporters?
The 1980s called and asked for you to send back their views on political party support. Labour is the party of the young and more highly educated these days. People with higher education and the under-50s are more likely to vote for Labour than all of the other parties combined. It's not even a class thing either, because Labour are the preferred party of all social classes from A to E.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...
Labour is the party of the loser, regardless of their age, Just like the tories.
Yes, that must be it. The majority of people in the UK are "losers". The tiny minority of people voting for Reform are the only ones who understand what's going on and what this country needs. It definitely isn't just a bunch of socially disenfranchised old men conning themselves into believing that a wasted protest vote makes them intellectually superior.

Dave200

3,988 posts

221 months

Saturday 27th April
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bad company said:
Dave200 said:
A vote for Reform, protest or otherwise, is simply a wasted vote.
Whereas a vote for one of the main parties both of which are incompetent imo is a meaningful vote?
Keep on fighting the system, brother. Power to the people!

Pan Pan Pan

9,948 posts

112 months

Saturday 27th April
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Dave200 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Dave200 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Dave200 said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
crankedup5 said:
A few posters laugh you can coast from stats to stats offered from differing outlets, most will present entirely differing ‘facts and figures’.For example the students entering the U.K. mentioned earlier, no mention of family members accompany of students and wether that was included or not in the stats presented. We do know that family members are now restricted to overseas students.
Oh dear. This immigrant also knows how to spell 'whether'.

Another slip? I think not.

Never mind your argument your lack of basic English grammar is pointing to a limited education. Which explains quite a lot.
It's exactly what I was saying a few pages ago, Reform appeals to older, less well-educated folks.
What, You mean labour supporters?
The 1980s called and asked for you to send back their views on political party support. Labour is the party of the young and more highly educated these days. People with higher education and the under-50s are more likely to vote for Labour than all of the other parties combined. It's not even a class thing either, because Labour are the preferred party of all social classes from A to E.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-i...
Labour is the party of the loser, regardless of their age, Just like the tories.
Yes, that must be it. The majority of people in the UK are "losers". The tiny minority of people voting for Reform are the only ones who understand what's going on and what this country needs. It definitely isn't just a bunch of socially disenfranchised old men conning themselves into believing that a wasted protest vote makes them intellectually superior.
How would you describe the performance of both the tories, and the labour party, since the last war?, Mine would be apocryphal.

bad company

18,671 posts

267 months

Saturday 27th April
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Pan Pan Pan said:
How would you describe the performance of both the tories, and the labour party, since the last war?, Mine would be apocryphal.
Loved the Maggie Thatcher era. Will we ever get another leader like her?

chrispmartha

15,514 posts

130 months

Saturday 27th April
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bad company said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
How would you describe the performance of both the tories, and the labour party, since the last war?, Mine would be apocryphal.
Loved the Maggie Thatcher era. Will we ever get another leader like her?
Did you love the huge interest rates and high unemployment during those years?

And of course the depleted social housing stock and covil unrest in the working class areas?

Jordie Barretts sock

4,229 posts

20 months

Saturday 27th April
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High interest rates weren't a solely UK thing. It was global.

Douglas Quaid

2,294 posts

86 months

Saturday 27th April
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chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.
If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.
Get off her arse and go to work? I’m sometimes anxious about work, running your own business can be stressful and anxiety is sadly something I’m familiar with, however I keep at it as I’m not a lazy bd that wants to just use a wk excuse like anxiety as the reason I can’t work. How do people that supposedly suffer from anxiety think they’re ever going to get over it if they don’t push themselves through it? Pathetic.

chrispmartha

15,514 posts

130 months

Saturday 27th April
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
High interest rates weren't a solely UK thing. It was global.
It was still in that era that he said he loved

Jordie Barretts sock

4,229 posts

20 months

Saturday 27th April
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chrispmartha said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
High interest rates weren't a solely UK thing. It was global.
It was still in that era that he said he loved
Yes, but my point was it wasn't Thatcher's fault. We had just as high interest rates in New Zealand.

mike9009

7,024 posts

244 months

Saturday 27th April
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bad company said:
Dave200 said:
A vote for Reform, protest or otherwise, is simply a wasted vote.
Whereas a vote for one of the main parties both of which are incompetent imo is a meaningful vote?
Shame the EU can't intervene now, with UK sovereignty being so woeful and meaningless laugh

chrispmartha

15,514 posts

130 months

Saturday 27th April
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
chrispmartha said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
High interest rates weren't a solely UK thing. It was global.
It was still in that era that he said he loved
Yes, but my point was it wasn't Thatcher's fault. We had just as high interest rates in New Zealand.
I didn’t say it was her fault, what about the other issues raised?

chrispmartha

15,514 posts

130 months

Saturday 27th April
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Douglas Quaid said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
Sums up the situation in U.K. perfectly, unfortunately. clip on BBC television news highlighted a young woman broadcasting her situation ‘ I suffer from anxiety therefore I cannot leave my house and go to work, I have to rely on benefits’.
If she is suffering from severe anxiety and sounds like it’s manifested itself as Agoraphobia what do you suggest she does?

Mental health issue can be just as debilitating as physical health issues. Maybe if the health service hadn’t been broken she might be able to get better treatment.
Get off her arse and go to work? I’m sometimes anxious about work, running your own business can be stressful and anxiety is sadly something I’m familiar with, however I keep at it as I’m not a lazy bd that wants to just use a wk excuse like anxiety as the reason I can’t work. How do people that supposedly suffer from anxiety think they’re ever going to get over it if they don’t push themselves through it? Pathetic.
Just because you can cope with your anxiety levels doesn’t mean everyone can.

Pretending mental health issues don’t exist is not a way to fix the issues.

What’s pathetic is the demonisation of people which is just a tactic from a failing government looking for others to blame to deflect from their incompetence.