Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

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Evercross

6,037 posts

65 months

Sunday 28th April
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irc said:
The Greens fighting amongst themselves like rats in a sack. I always thought they were out of touch but this quote sums them up.

"The public will be shocked to learn this about the party,” one said. “Most think we’re this nice bunch."

Er.... Nope.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.insid...
So it turns out Ross Greer is a wee prick with a superiority complex.

Who in here hadn’t already made that observation.

Master Of Puppets

3,277 posts

63 months

Sunday 28th April
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Evercross said:
So it turns out Ross Greer is a wee prick with a superiority complex.

Who in here hadn’t already made that observation.
The weed smoker that got banned?

Ian974

2,946 posts

200 months

Sunday 28th April
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irc said:
The Greens fighting amongst themselves like rats in a sack. I always thought they were out of touch but this quote sums them up.

"The public will be shocked to learn this about the party,” one said. “Most think we’re this nice bunch."

Er.... Nope.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.insid...
Shocked? Experiencing Schadenfreude maybe...

Baroque attacks

4,417 posts

187 months

Sunday 28th April
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Roderick Spode said:


I can't believe the race baiting grifter still hasn't turned it in.
Any surprise? Recent years have taught us how susceptible certain people are to grifters grifting - although it’s usually with the aim of income from YouTube channels!

Baroque attacks

4,417 posts

187 months

Sunday 28th April
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Klippie said:
A.J.M said:


That last sentence is a polite way of saying “fk off useless”

There’s a lovely dram of the Harris whisky waiting for when dumza useless fks off from this government.
I’ll bet Dumza was raging when he read that.
The boot is stuck so far in you can’t see it anymorehehe

rider73

3,058 posts

78 months

Sunday 28th April
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Any FM or his party on any interviews on these Sunday morning programs or indeed main news interviews....nah that's to much to face any real questions..... Now if it was Boris.....

Jasey_

4,912 posts

179 months

Sunday 28th April
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Instead we have to listen to that moron big bird.

She had virtually disappeared after the drs shambles.

Klippie

3,179 posts

146 months

Sunday 28th April
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irc said:
The Greens fighting amongst themselves like rats in a sack. I always thought they were out of touch but this quote sums them up.

"The public will be shocked to learn this about the party,” one said. “Most think we’re this nice bunch."

Er.... Nope.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.insid...
We only really got to see the Green's in the form of Harvey, Slater and Ross which was eye opening to say the least, the depravity bubbling under the surface must truly frightening as its not let loose for public consumption.

Evercross

6,037 posts

65 months

Sunday 28th April
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Klippie said:
We only really got to see the Green's in the form of Harvey, Slater and Ross which was eye opening to say the least, the depravity bubbling under the surface must truly frightening as its not let loose for public consumption.
It really does look like the wee taste of power they had went to their heads.

It has been known for a while amongst political circles that the Scottish "Greens" have been completely disenfranchised and disowned by the UK and International Green movement (despite the Scottish "Greens" still claiming an affiliation with the Irish Green Party - an assertion that has so far not been reciprocated), but the mainstream media acts almost oblivious to this, despite reporting the very fact the groups cut their ties in October 2022.

Sturgeon took the bastardised version of the Scottish "Greens" on board because their party management style was mimicking hers. Humza had a golden opportunity to score a double political win by ejecting and exposing them, but he botched it because he's a f'king idiot.

reddiesel

1,972 posts

48 months

Sunday 28th April
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Evercross said:
I mentioned yesterday that a fair few of us in here had predicted a year ago that Humza's demeanour would be the cause of his (fairly rapid) downfall and thus it has been so.

His soundbite this last week has been that he would come out of this 'fighting', but fighting has been his problem from day 1.

I said yesterday that Humza had no a conciliatory bone in his body, and that defined his very first day in office - being unable to find a way to accommodate his two leadership rivals in his first cabinet or wider executive thus immediately alienating the majority of SNP party members who had made either of those two rivals to Humza their first choice as leader.

He also made no apologies for the failings of his predecessor and instead made bold pronouncements that he would wholeheartedly and unquestioningly continue to pursue the arrangements and policies that had proven problematic for the previous incumbent (Bute House Agreement, GRR Supreme Court Appeal etc. etc.).

From an appalling starting point almost entirely of his own making he then proceeded to make things worse. His modus operandi when debating and when questioned was to continue to go all-guns-blazing to make grandiose attacks on ALL his opposition even if the question put to him didn't merit it, with his responses appearing overly aggressive and at the same time too obviously evasive, presenting an image of someone who is difficult to deal with regardless of what you were asking of him.

As political observers said - his (probably a bit too late) ditching of the Greens Marxists could have been the first step in a political recovery had he handled it differently, but the stoney faces of PeeWee and Big Bird leaving Bute House on Thursday morning told you everything about how the meeting went and spoke to the world about who now had the upper hand.

I also said it was ironic that Humza invoked Liz Truss this week at FMQs. Humza is objectively a worse politician than Truss IMO. Truss at least had a vision that in the right conditions and at a time when the appetite for it existed would have been welcome and could have succeeded, but she was naive to believe that she could just create those conditions and appetite in a matter of days. Humza on the other hand has nothing. He's the walking epitome of what I said all along the SNP is - a party of protest, not governance.

All he knows how to do is to protest and argue. In some ways he's an apt face to be the representative of the decline of the Scottish Nationalists.

Edited by Evercross on Saturday 27th April 09:02
Just catching up on the Debate but this is a great analysis in my humble opinion . As someone commented earlier it’s a pity some SNP diehards have apparently withdrawn their contributions to the thread . I for one am desperate to hear their comments on the present situation if only to hear where do they go from here

CoolHands

18,714 posts

196 months

Sunday 28th April
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Turns out you can judge a book by its cover. I just had a quick look and this twonk has indeed never had a real job. Unreal.


Evercross

6,037 posts

65 months

Sunday 28th April
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reddiesel said:
Just catching up on the Debate but this is a great analysis in my humble opinion . As someone commented earlier it’s a pity some SNP diehards have apparently withdrawn their contributions to the thread . I for one am desperate to hear their comments on the present situation if only to hear where do they go from here
Humza's own defence against criticism this week was to list the things his government had 'delivered' on including avoiding strike action in health and other public sectors and a council tax freeze.

Once again illustrating how SNP politics and more generally the politics of the left are weak and meaningless. Neither were achievements, they were just kneejerk raids on the public purse with no consideration of the consequences.

Humza's "delivery" on avoiding public sector strike action and his council tax freeze are having very obvious and apparent negative consequences on peoples' lives and jobs, with Glasgow City Council alone announcing massive cuts in workforce over the next three years, nearly 500 coming from just one sector alone.....

School staff set to lose jobs this month amid 'savage' education cuts

Here, throw another 150 on top of that....

Cuts to care services in Glasgow approved

SNP Slogan - Dole, Not Strikes!

ETA. I expect the response from an independence supporter would be something along the lines of "corrupt tory toffs......Boris Johnson....HS2"

Edited by Evercross on Sunday 28th April 11:15

Silverbullet767

10,715 posts

207 months

Sunday 28th April
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CoolHands said:
Turns out you can judge a book by its cover. I just had a quick look and this twonk has indeed never had a real job. Unreal.

He's got part time shelf stacker written all over him. If he's strong enough to lift anything mind...

Rat.

Baroque attacks

4,417 posts

187 months

Sunday 28th April
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Silverbullet767 said:
CoolHands said:
Turns out you can judge a book by its cover. I just had a quick look and this twonk has indeed never had a real job. Unreal.

He's got part time shelf stacker written all over him. If he's strong enough to lift anything mind...

Rat.
Please sir… please… don’t put me on fruit & veg or the booze aisle again… please

Evercross

6,037 posts

65 months

Sunday 28th April
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Silverbullet767 said:
CoolHands said:
Turns out you can judge a book by its cover. I just had a quick look and this twonk has indeed never had a real job. Unreal.

He's got part time shelf stacker written all over him. If he's strong enough to lift anything mind...
He's the kind of guy who would turn up at a job interview thinking he should be appointed straight to the job of CEO.

Master Of Puppets said:
Evercross said:
So it turns out Ross Greer is a wee prick with a superiority complex.

Who in here hadn’t already made that observation.
The weed smoker that got banned?
Makes sense that the person you mention would see a kindred spirit in Greer. Two of a kind, thinking that their belief in a moral cause absolves them of any accusations that they behave like a see-you-next-Tuesday.

dxg

8,229 posts

261 months

Sunday 28th April
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Evercross said:
reddiesel said:
Just catching up on the Debate but this is a great analysis in my humble opinion . As someone commented earlier it’s a pity some SNP diehards have apparently withdrawn their contributions to the thread . I for one am desperate to hear their comments on the present situation if only to hear where do they go from here
Humza's own defence against criticism this week was to list the things his government had 'delivered' on including avoiding strike action in health and other public sectors and a council tax freeze.

Once again illustrating how SNP politics and more generally the politics of the left are weak and meaningless. Neither were achievements, they were just kneejerk raids on the public purse with no consideration of the consequences.

Humza's "delivery" on avoiding public sector strike action and his council tax freeze are having very obvious and apparent negative consequences on peoples' lives and jobs, with Glasgow City Council alone announcing massive cuts in workforce over the next three years, nearly 500 coming from just one sector alone.....

School staff set to lose jobs this month amid 'savage' education cuts

Here, throw another 150 on top of that....

Cuts to care services in Glasgow approved

SNP Slogan - Dole, Not Strikes!

ETA. I expect the response from an independence supporter would be something along the lines of "corrupt tory toffs......Boris Johnson....HS2"

Edited by Evercross on Sunday 28th April 11:15
Andrew Neil made an interesting point in that all the SG have done outside of the insane Green policies, is to throw money at broken systems, without realising that money doesn't fix them. Hence, the mess of health and education.

At least the former got some money thrown at it to avoid strikes, but there hasn't been any actual, you know, governance.


jonny996

2,618 posts

218 months

Sunday 28th April
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If Matheson gets suspended does he get a vote & why are the standards committee not suspending him when they have the report that recommended that?

alangla

4,846 posts

182 months

Sunday 28th April
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dxg said:
Andrew Neil made an interesting point in that all the SG have done outside of the insane Green policies, is to throw money at broken systems, without realising that money doesn't fix them. Hence, the mess of health and education.

At least the former got some money thrown at it to avoid strikes, but there hasn't been any actual, you know, governance.
To be fair, with Curriculum for Ineptitude, they seem to have managed to achieve a far higher level of broken through their reforms.

In any other party, the idea of one of their own local authorities issuing redundancy notices to teachers would be deeply shaming. Yousaf seems to be happy to just let it happen.

Klippie

3,179 posts

146 months

Sunday 28th April
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Just when we've nearly got rid of one moron another pop's up to spout the same old pish, how many times have this lot been told there won't be another referendum which equals no independence...get it into your thick heads for fk sake.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgyxq90325o


Scotty2

1,276 posts

267 months

Sunday 28th April
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Exactly!
None of them can say how an "Independent" Scotland would work financially. They can't even run a devolved system when they get more money per head than England. Currency, Defence, Magic EU membership, Unicorns and Free chips and Irn Bru for everyone...