Angela Rayner to face investigation?
Discussion
vaud said:
How many news cycles before SKS asks her to step aside temporarily?
Why would he?It’s not affecting poll numbers and the only news outlets giving it serious column inches are the right wing rags like the Daily Heil and the Express.
Just because it’s, quite ludicrously, made umpteen pages here doesn’t mean that the wider population gives a fig about it.
Starmer will act when he no choice or when it’s opportune to do so. We’re not there at the moment (yet!).
heebeegeetee said:
It's extraordinarily suspicious imo that the police are involved. Don't get me wrong, I think Rayner has a problem with tthis, but only within the world of politics.
The police wouldn't investigate Partygate, indeed they stood outside while it happened, they probably opened doors for people.
But they can investigate "assertions knocking about" concerning a Labour politician? Methinks GMP Chief Constable Stephen Watson need to think who's going to be in government next.
You are barking up the wrong tree on this one. The police wouldn't investigate Partygate, indeed they stood outside while it happened, they probably opened doors for people.
But they can investigate "assertions knocking about" concerning a Labour politician? Methinks GMP Chief Constable Stephen Watson need to think who's going to be in government next.
It is *essential* the police investigate this carefully and studiously. There is probably no issue, other than some bending of the rules for her own benefit, which Rayner wished wasn't being made public. It's embarrassing for her, as we see her being a hypocrite, but I can't see how it is criminal.
However, we already have allegations of the police becoming political, and we can't afford to let confidence in the police slip further, like has happened in the US, where the justice system has been weaponised as a political instrument. So allegations like this need to get investigated properly, in order so that no-one after the event can say it was a 'white-wash' and it wasn't done properly.
sugerbear said:
Because everyone is entitled to privacy in their private lives. She wasn't an MP when the allegations are said to have occurred.
If she hasn't done anything wrong then why should she have to open up her private life to prove some unfounded allegations? It's a dumpster dive from the tories to see if they can find anything incriminating.
But we're talking about the person who is first in line requesting transparency from others. Whether she was an MP at the time is not relevant, it's the position she has (and could have) in the future.If she hasn't done anything wrong then why should she have to open up her private life to prove some unfounded allegations? It's a dumpster dive from the tories to see if they can find anything incriminating.
In terms of the tax issue, she could have added a very simple line to the confirmation she had received tax advice explaining why there was no taxable gain. Almost all the numbers are public knowledge anyway, so genuinely why not?
EddieSteadyGo said:
You are barking up the wrong tree on this one.
It is *essential* the police investigate this carefully and studiously. There is probably no issue, other than some bending of the rules for her own benefit, which Rayner wished wasn't being made public. It's embarrassing for her, as we see her being a hypocrite, but I can't see how it is criminal.
However, we already have allegations of the police becoming political, and we can't afford to let confidence in the police slip further, like has happened in the US, where the justice system has been weaponised as a political instrument. So allegations like this need to get investigated properly, in order so that no-one after the event can say it was a 'white-wash' and it wasn't done properly.
This.It is *essential* the police investigate this carefully and studiously. There is probably no issue, other than some bending of the rules for her own benefit, which Rayner wished wasn't being made public. It's embarrassing for her, as we see her being a hypocrite, but I can't see how it is criminal.
However, we already have allegations of the police becoming political, and we can't afford to let confidence in the police slip further, like has happened in the US, where the justice system has been weaponised as a political instrument. So allegations like this need to get investigated properly, in order so that no-one after the event can say it was a 'white-wash' and it wasn't done properly.
valiant said:
vaud said:
How many news cycles before SKS asks her to step aside temporarily?
Why would he?It’s not affecting poll numbers and the only news outlets giving it serious column inches are the right wing rags like the Daily Heil and the Express.
Just because it’s, quite ludicrously, made umpteen pages here doesn’t mean that the wider population gives a fig about it.
Starmer will act when he no choice or when it’s opportune to do so. We’re not there at the moment (yet!).
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:EddieSteadyGo said:
You are barking up the wrong tree on this one.
It is *essential* the police investigate this carefully and studiously. There is probably no issue, other than some bending of the rules for her own benefit, which Rayner wished wasn't being made public. It's embarrassing for her, as we see her being a hypocrite, but I can't see how it is criminal.
However, we already have allegations of the police becoming political, and we can't afford to let confidence in the police slip further, like has happened in the US, where the justice system has been weaponised as a political instrument. So allegations like this need to get investigated properly, in order so that no-one after the event can say it was a 'white-wash' and it wasn't done properly.
This.It is *essential* the police investigate this carefully and studiously. There is probably no issue, other than some bending of the rules for her own benefit, which Rayner wished wasn't being made public. It's embarrassing for her, as we see her being a hypocrite, but I can't see how it is criminal.
However, we already have allegations of the police becoming political, and we can't afford to let confidence in the police slip further, like has happened in the US, where the justice system has been weaponised as a political instrument. So allegations like this need to get investigated properly, in order so that no-one after the event can say it was a 'white-wash' and it wasn't done properly.
Earthdweller said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:EddieSteadyGo said:
You are barking up the wrong tree on this one.
It is *essential* the police investigate this carefully and studiously. There is probably no issue, other than some bending of the rules for her own benefit, which Rayner wished wasn't being made public. It's embarrassing for her, as we see her being a hypocrite, but I can't see how it is criminal.
However, we already have allegations of the police becoming political, and we can't afford to let confidence in the police slip further, like has happened in the US, where the justice system has been weaponised as a political instrument. So allegations like this need to get investigated properly, in order so that no-one after the event can say it was a 'white-wash' and it wasn't done properly.
This.It is *essential* the police investigate this carefully and studiously. There is probably no issue, other than some bending of the rules for her own benefit, which Rayner wished wasn't being made public. It's embarrassing for her, as we see her being a hypocrite, but I can't see how it is criminal.
However, we already have allegations of the police becoming political, and we can't afford to let confidence in the police slip further, like has happened in the US, where the justice system has been weaponised as a political instrument. So allegations like this need to get investigated properly, in order so that no-one after the event can say it was a 'white-wash' and it wasn't done properly.
There is clear hypocrisy though, but that's par for the course these days. Rats in a sack. Let's face it Ed Davey has far more to answer than Angela even though don't like her. As do various Conservatives.
Before anyone starts but Boris, even before he became leader openly said on here didn't want him as leader etc, and when all the cake etc malarkey was running, again no defence offered, let the dice lay etc.
FiF said:
Yep, my position hasn't changed since posting way back near the beginning of the thread. It's all a bit meh, can't get too exercised about it. If there is genuinely something that needs to be investigated to get the facts as opposed to what I still think is some smear for distraction, then let the dice lay where they fall.
There is clear hypocrisy though, but that's par for the course these days. Rats in a sack. Let's face it Ed Davey has far more to answer than Angela even though don't like her. As do various Conservatives.
Before anyone starts but Boris, even before he became leader openly said on here didn't want him as leader etc, and when all the cake etc malarkey was running, again no defence offered, let the dice lay etc.
The irony about the Boris stuff with 'partygate', was those gatherings should never have been an offence in the first place. They could have given "advice", to discourage gatherings, if the science advisors felt that necessary at the time, but they decided to go all-in with 'fixed penalty' notices. We therefore wouldn't have had the endless drivel about 'partygate' and 'currygate' and the curtain-twitching tell-tales which was encouraged by Hancock et al. There is clear hypocrisy though, but that's par for the course these days. Rats in a sack. Let's face it Ed Davey has far more to answer than Angela even though don't like her. As do various Conservatives.
Before anyone starts but Boris, even before he became leader openly said on here didn't want him as leader etc, and when all the cake etc malarkey was running, again no defence offered, let the dice lay etc.
EddieSteadyGo said:
The irony about the Boris stuff with 'partygate', was those gatherings should never have been an offence in the first place. They could have given "advice", to discourage gatherings, if the science advisors felt that necessary at the time, but they decided to go all-in with 'fixed penalty' notices. We therefore wouldn't have had the endless drivel about 'partygate' and 'currygate' and the curtain-twitching tell-tales which was encouraged by Hancock et al.
Tell me about curtain twitchers! Very nearly got a bit more than words of advice for driving just under a mile to walk the dog in a quiet place where we knew there would be no one else which couldn't be guaranteed locally. Some powers that be lost their collective common senseEddieSteadyGo said:
The irony about the Boris stuff with 'partygate', was those gatherings should never have been an offence in the first place. They could have given "advice", to discourage gatherings, if the science advisors felt that necessary at the time, but they decided to go all-in with 'fixed penalty' notices. We therefore wouldn't have had the endless drivel about 'partygate' and 'currygate' and the curtain-twitching tell-tales which was encouraged by Hancock et al.
Encouraged by Boris. And Rishi. And the Tory cabinet. They got hung by their own Petards. Evanivitch said:
Encouraged by Boris. And Rishi. And the Tory cabinet. They got hung by their own Petards.
From my memory it was Hancock with the most authoritarian tendencies. All the time whilst he was breaking the rules with someone else's wife. But as you say, they collectively passed the stupid laws, so it's on them.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff