UK smoking ban for those born after 2009
Discussion
Nomme de Plum said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Cigarette tax (or rather tobacco tax) raises £10bn a year. Smoking related illnesses cost the NHS £17bn a year - according to the BBC.
New Zealand's Labour Govt were the first to moot this sort of law. All was going well until they lost rhe GE and National (Conservative) have very publicly dropped it. For the varying reasons voiced on this thread - unworkable, black market, smokers reducing anyway...
Assuming that's just the NHS cost. What about the impaired health thus meaning much more sickness and work under performance and abscence.New Zealand's Labour Govt were the first to moot this sort of law. All was going well until they lost rhe GE and National (Conservative) have very publicly dropped it. For the varying reasons voiced on this thread - unworkable, black market, smokers reducing anyway...
I do not agree with many of Sunak's policies but as a legacy this is pretty spectacular. In a good way.
Tom8 said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Cigarette tax (or rather tobacco tax) raises £10bn a year. Smoking related illnesses cost the NHS £17bn a year - according to the BBC.
New Zealand's Labour Govt were the first to moot this sort of law. All was going well until they lost rhe GE and National (Conservative) have very publicly dropped it. For the varying reasons voiced on this thread - unworkable, black market, smokers reducing anyway...
Assuming that's just the NHS cost. What about the impaired health thus meaning much more sickness and work under performance and abscence.New Zealand's Labour Govt were the first to moot this sort of law. All was going well until they lost rhe GE and National (Conservative) have very publicly dropped it. For the varying reasons voiced on this thread - unworkable, black market, smokers reducing anyway...
I do not agree with many of Sunak's policies but as a legacy this is pretty spectacular. In a good way.
I still maintain if we can completely eradicate smoking it will be good for the health of the person and their family. I still, fortunately infrequently, see people smoking in cars with family. That seems so wrong to me.
Atmospheric said:
Ultra processed food does far more harm than any cigarette will.
I posted that tobacco companies have now invested in companies that make addictive UPFs.Having said that could you provide the evidence that your assertion is correct. There was a senior clinician interviewed this week describing how smoking is still considered as one of the most harmful habits.
I'm surprised that many people even want to smoke. I went into a co-op recently as the staff were restocking the fags; £14 for a packet of 20, and she reckoned they were the cheapest shop in the area!
These days if I see someone with a cigarette I think 1) ooh, retro 2) you don't see that very often these days 3) eurgh, I remember that horrible smell 4) they must be spending £5k a year on those 5) they look like they could use that £5k for something better.
Then I remember they're probably just buying dodgy fags from a dodgy shop or someone in the sort of pub where they don't have a roaring log fire in winter.
These days if I see someone with a cigarette I think 1) ooh, retro 2) you don't see that very often these days 3) eurgh, I remember that horrible smell 4) they must be spending £5k a year on those 5) they look like they could use that £5k for something better.
Then I remember they're probably just buying dodgy fags from a dodgy shop or someone in the sort of pub where they don't have a roaring log fire in winter.
hidetheelephants said:
fido said:
Atmospheric said:
Ultra processed food does far more harm than any cigarette will.
Indeed. And they aren't heavily taxed.
Which is going to kill you quicker; sitting in a smoke filled room or eating a diet solely comprising macdonalds and haribo?
Nomme de Plum said:
Atmospheric said:
Having said that could you provide the evidence that your assertion is correct. There was a senior clinician interviewed this week describing how smoking is still considered as one of the most harmful habits.
I keep hearing this and I am not qualified to doubt this but comparing how much people smoked in the past and now and being told how harmful it is I do doubt it.Oliver Hardy said:
I keep hearing this and I am not qualified to doubt this but comparing how much people smoked in the past and now and being told how harmful it is I do doubt it.
Which bit do you doubt? Smoking kills 50% of smokers from memory. Killed my grandad. Costs the NHS billions a year to treat people with entirely preventable diseases caused by cigarettes. You don't see many young people smoking anyway, so the number it will actually affect (ie who want to buy cigs but can't, rather than the total population under the age of not being able to buy) will be very small.
bodhi said:
Dave200 said:
Tom8 said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Good! Another nail in the coffin of tobacco is a good thing.
Why?So not coming out for big cancer, coming out for "let people know the risks and decide for themselves".
Smoking is disappearing anyway thanks to innovation in vapes and heated tobacco - shame the anti smoking lot are so against those too.
Dave200 said:
bodhi said:
Dave200 said:
Tom8 said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Good! Another nail in the coffin of tobacco is a good thing.
Why?So not coming out for big cancer, coming out for "let people know the risks and decide for themselves".
Smoking is disappearing anyway thanks to innovation in vapes and heated tobacco - shame the anti smoking lot are so against those too.
And as for your last comment, naievety for me would be thinking banning the sale of cigarettes would in any way would stop people smoking - they'd just go to the black market instead, as seen in Australia where they have tried everything short of banning cigarettes and now the illegal gangs are making a killing.
Personally I'd rather smoke something made in one of Philip Morris' highly regulated factories rather than some gang's warehouse where they've put God knows what in there.
bodhi said:
Dave200 said:
bodhi said:
Dave200 said:
Tom8 said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Good! Another nail in the coffin of tobacco is a good thing.
Why?So not coming out for big cancer, coming out for "let people know the risks and decide for themselves".
Smoking is disappearing anyway thanks to innovation in vapes and heated tobacco - shame the anti smoking lot are so against those too.
And as for your last comment, naievety for me would be thinking banning the sale of cigarettes would in any way would stop people smoking - they'd just go to the black market instead, as seen in Australia where they have tried everything short of banning cigarettes and now the illegal gangs are making a killing.
Personally I'd rather smoke something made in one of Philip Morris' highly regulated factories rather than some gang's warehouse where they've put God knows what in there.
Dave200 said:
The point of banning cigarette sales isn't to make 100% of smokers quit. It's to make all but the just hardcore quit, and that's where we need to be. The problems of the 60s and 70s that you mention are still being felt today, even though many current smokers weren't suffering from the horrible behaviour of the tobacco companies at the time. Smoking became socially acceptable, even "cool" or antiestablishment in many ways, because of the efforts of the tobacco companies back then.
So it's ideological nonsense with no chance of working and no basis in reality? Good, glad we agree.
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