Iran - Israel War
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Blackpuddin said:
s1962a said:
That guy is brilliant. sherbertdip said:
Blackpuddin said:
s1962a said:
That guy is brilliant. Flumpo said:
Ha ha, I have heard of him, but that was my exact experience of clicking on that link. After the first round of shouting stopped at 20 seconds I was willing to give it a go. When he started screaming again at 30 seconds I gave up.
Good mix of slapstick and on-point humour I thought.Legend83 said:
Flumpo said:
Ha ha, I have heard of him, but that was my exact experience of clicking on that link. After the first round of shouting stopped at 20 seconds I was willing to give it a go. When he started screaming again at 30 seconds I gave up.
Good mix of slapstick and on-point humour I thought.
.skwdenyer said:
The point is fair in isolation. However the capabilities of that missile are fairly well-known.
Tangentially, it is also worth noting reports that the US shot down more of these missiles than the Israelis per https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/17/us-nav... and other sources. This is important in a wider defence context, since the interceptors are the only line of defence against Russian or Chinese ballistic missiles (systems like DragonFire aren’t anywhere near capable enough yet). Incidentally, it is a shame the UK doesn’t have any SM-3 capability…
The Iranian attack has rather usefully validated the US’ all-in strategy on SM-3. It has shown Russia and China that it works (at least against these targets). The point won’t be lost on Israel that they’re indeed still vulnerable to these weapons without direct US support.
From the Iranian side, they’ve just carried out a very large live-fire exercise with the enemy disclosing their defensive capabilities. If they have well-placed HUMINT sources and/or decent analysts then they’ll now know how close they came to saturating that capability.
Meanwhile Netanyahu has another live bogeyman with which to support his hard-man persona.
All in all, oddly, everyone wins from this encounter
The numbers don't seem to entirely add up, or at minimum they seem to have a rather large discrepancy. Israel are claiming 120+ ballistic missile launches. Per telegraph and related articles, if the US shot down 'at least 7' and that's more missiles than Israel shot down.... erm.. that's still.... quite a lot of missing missiles. Tangentially, it is also worth noting reports that the US shot down more of these missiles than the Israelis per https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/17/us-nav... and other sources. This is important in a wider defence context, since the interceptors are the only line of defence against Russian or Chinese ballistic missiles (systems like DragonFire aren’t anywhere near capable enough yet). Incidentally, it is a shame the UK doesn’t have any SM-3 capability…
The Iranian attack has rather usefully validated the US’ all-in strategy on SM-3. It has shown Russia and China that it works (at least against these targets). The point won’t be lost on Israel that they’re indeed still vulnerable to these weapons without direct US support.
From the Iranian side, they’ve just carried out a very large live-fire exercise with the enemy disclosing their defensive capabilities. If they have well-placed HUMINT sources and/or decent analysts then they’ll now know how close they came to saturating that capability.
Meanwhile Netanyahu has another live bogeyman with which to support his hard-man persona.
All in all, oddly, everyone wins from this encounter
The UK doesn't even have Patriot missiles nevermind Standards I believe so..... given the cost of Standard, it's likely not exactly something that UK was going to pay for, and certainly not in the numbers of missiles generally required for this sort of thing given one doesn't get the same kudos for having ABM defense compared to having ICBMs/SLBMs....
Plus in any case, the UK is always going to be reliant on...er.. well... the US defending their skies given the importance of airbases to them here anyway....
Flumpo said:
Legend83 said:
Flumpo said:
Ha ha, I have heard of him, but that was my exact experience of clicking on that link. After the first round of shouting stopped at 20 seconds I was willing to give it a go. When he started screaming again at 30 seconds I gave up.
Good mix of slapstick and on-point humour I thought.
The reason it's a good analysis of the situation is that he's using humour to point out the insanity of what is going on, without going too far down a specific narrative.
croyde said:
If one wakes up to find that Israel and Iran have wiped eachother out overnight thanks to a nuclear exchange......
Will that finally bring peace to the Middle East..
Because everyone else is very peaceful in the area? Will that finally bring peace to the Middle East..
There will still be all the other conflicts going on, mostly sectarian struggles within the various countries. Syria managed to implode without any intervention by either Israel or Iran, though Iran got involved once the fighting was started.
croyde said:
If one wakes up to find that Israel and Iran have wiped eachother out overnight thanks to a nuclear exchange......
Will that finally bring peace to the Middle East..
In the spirit of the stabbing thread, have you been on the sauce again?Will that finally bring peace to the Middle East..
Israel and Iran aren’t the only barriers to unicorns and rainbows in the ME.
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