St George's Day Patriots

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bitchstewie

Original Poster:

51,371 posts

211 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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It's right here at the end.

https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/17827593762409555...

I'm not keen on people who attack animals.

If you pair want to defend that kind of sthousery be my guest.

Slowboathome

3,344 posts

45 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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bhstewie said:
It's right here at the end.

https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/17827593762409555...

I'm not keen on people who attack animals.

If you pair want to defend that kind of sthousery be my guest.
So now you're keen for evidence to be scrutinized.

It's like football supporters with you mate - find anything that supports your world view, disparage anything that doesn't.

bitchstewie

Original Poster:

51,371 posts

211 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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I'm not the one sticking up for people hitting a horse.

It's literally visible in the video no need for blow-ups or freeze frames.

Not sure what "world view" makes that OK.

And it isn't like football supporters I don't give a st who you are if you engage in thuggery like that I want the Police to deal with you.

Vanden Saab

14,126 posts

75 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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bhstewie said:
I'm not the one sticking up for people hitting a horse.

It's literally visible in the video no need for blow-ups or freeze frames.

Not sure what "world view" makes that OK.

And it isn't like football supporters I don't give a st who you are if you engage in thuggery like that I want the Police to deal with you.
Cool so you will post the freeze frame that shows the umbrella hitting the horse. I will wait.

standards

1,140 posts

219 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Wacky Racer said:
St George was a Roman soldier, was never a knight and never set foot in England.

Source:- English Heritage.
Maybe we should turn the clock back 700 years or so to the original patron Saint of England-his day is October 13th according to my Prayer Book. The EDL lot would have to revisit the dressing up box though and they could all wear crowns.

eharding

13,740 posts

285 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Vanden Saab said:
Cool so you will post the freeze frame that shows the umbrella hitting the horse. I will wait.
The way the horse reacts when the blow is made leads me to think it got a glancing hit, but the main effect was that the fcensoredknugget standing in front of the horse got most of the impact from the wcensoredkspangle behind him with the umbrella. So, do you think the wcensoredkspangle was actually trying to hit the fcensoredknugget and was generally bang on target, or was actually trying to hit the horse but was such a complete ccensoredkwomble that he actually ended up mostly hitting the fcensoredknugget?

Greendubber

13,222 posts

204 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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g4ry13 said:
The police seemed very heavy-handed compared to the weekly Palestine demonstrations.

When it's 'far right' people the riot gear and horses are out. Whereas if you're out supporting a terrorist organisation they let it happen.
Have the Palestine protests breached or attempted to breach the area they're permitted to protest in like this lot have?

That's why they're being held back.

Derek Smith

45,687 posts

249 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Back in the day, some weeks ago now, I policed two National Front marches in New Cross and Lewisham. On our coach of some 56 officers, we returned with 26 on the first demo (1976 I think), all the rest in hospital with injuries. It was exciting. I loved it. A real adrenaline rush. We were attacked on three separate occasions, with bricks, poles and fence panels in the main, but once with ball-bearings fired from catapults. I was in a linked-arm line and the PC beside me had a ball-bearing go through the, albeit thin, police badge, then through the helmet, bouncing of the safety reinforcement (?) inside and then hitting him on the top of the head, knocking him out. I was kicked any number of times and, despite wearing shin pads, they moved, and the scars from that day are still visible. If I get a knock on my shin, it splits the thin skin and takes ages to heal. I had a brick hit my shoulder, then bounce up and hit my ear, causing it to bleed. Loads of blood. Then they put a plaster on it, and it looked a bit naff.

Later, we were detailed to shield somewhere in Lewisham. A number of my unit, but not me, were punched and hit with poles. I was merely kicked again. I had the joy of seeing one of the anti-fascist mob, who was standing on a telephone switching box, using a megaphone to direct the bricks and stuff that were being thrown at police, turn to those behind him to shout, with said megaphone, that most were landing on demonstrators. A brick hit the megaphone with some energy, smashing it into his mouth. The was lots of blood and he lost three or four teeth. I know he lost teeth as there was a picture in one of the newspapers of him, he claiming that the police hit him with truncheons. Not that a lot of us didn't fantasise about that. We all cheered.

Not one of us was injured by the NF mob. It was all the anti- mob, out to protect England from violence of the mob. Not that you'd have known it from the reports in the media.

We, the police response, was heavily criticised in the press and by the various community protectors, presumably for getting ourselves injured. The Met, we were told, had under-policed the event. The following year there was a re-run and the fledgling Met public order team used lots of officers and clever tactics to completely neutralise the NF and anti- mobs. The Met were just as heavily criticised for over-policing the event, making communities feel intimidated.

Had the anti-fascist mob stayed away, the NF would have marched through Lewisham surrounded by police, and no one would have been able to see them.

But where's the fun from the anti- mob in that?

I was at a big fire a year or so later, Plantation House going up in the City, and was talking to a fire bloke at the Sally-Ann refreshment trailer. Better food and drink than the one the FB used. He told me he was at the demo, and had joined in on the anti- mob's side.

bitchstewie

Original Poster:

51,371 posts

211 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Vanden Saab said:
Cool so you will post the freeze frame that shows the umbrella hitting the horse. I will wait.
Right so it's fine because he only tried to hit the Police horse.

Have a word with yourself because that's just gross.

Getragdogleg

8,772 posts

184 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Did any shops get looted ?

Mojooo

12,743 posts

181 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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The British patriots on twitter are now apparently best mates with the Israelis. I wonder if they agree with their views on land grabs!

Vanden Saab

14,126 posts

75 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Greendubber said:
g4ry13 said:
The police seemed very heavy-handed compared to the weekly Palestine demonstrations.

When it's 'far right' people the riot gear and horses are out. Whereas if you're out supporting a terrorist organisation they let it happen.
Have the Palestine protests breached or attempted to breach the area they're permitted to protest in like this lot have?

That's why they're being held back.
A longer version I have seen paints a different picture. You can see in the clip that there are protestors on both sides of the police cordon. It seems the police directed one group one way and then directed the other group to arrive from the opposite direction. They then blocked the road and prevented the two groups from joining up.
The ones being stopped can see many of their fellows on the other side of the cordon and neither group understand why they cannot join each other so one side starts pushing to get through.
I hope it was not deliberate by the police to provoke a reaction so will give them the benefit of the doubt that it was just very bad planning and a lack of understanding of where people were.


Greendubber

13,222 posts

204 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Vanden Saab said:
Greendubber said:
g4ry13 said:
The police seemed very heavy-handed compared to the weekly Palestine demonstrations.

When it's 'far right' people the riot gear and horses are out. Whereas if you're out supporting a terrorist organisation they let it happen.
Have the Palestine protests breached or attempted to breach the area they're permitted to protest in like this lot have?

That's why they're being held back.
A longer version I have seen paints a different picture. You can see in the clip that there are protestors on both sides of the police cordon. It seems the police directed one group one way and then directed the other group to arrive from the opposite direction. They then blocked the road and prevented the two groups from joining up.
The ones being stopped can see many of their fellows on the other side of the cordon and neither group understand why they cannot join each other so one side starts pushing to get through.
I hope it was not deliberate by the police to provoke a reaction so will give them the benefit of the doubt that it was just very bad planning and a lack of understanding of where people were.

I've seen footage of them just pushing through before the police got a line on, so potentially the ones you see on the other side are the ones that have already gone through.

If you honestly think the police want to provoke a reaction rather than just have it pass off without issue then I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking.

eharding

13,740 posts

285 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Vanden Saab said:
neither group understand why they cannot join each other so one side starts pushing to get through.
In that case, we're probably seeing a new record being set here - hitherto, it was widely suspected that the Bony-eared Assfish held the record for the smallest brain-to-body weight ratio of any vertebrate, but this lot have them beaten by a country mile - although whether they're actually vertebrates is open to debate.

Vanden Saab

14,126 posts

75 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Greendubber said:
Vanden Saab said:
Greendubber said:
g4ry13 said:
The police seemed very heavy-handed compared to the weekly Palestine demonstrations.

When it's 'far right' people the riot gear and horses are out. Whereas if you're out supporting a terrorist organisation they let it happen.
Have the Palestine protests breached or attempted to breach the area they're permitted to protest in like this lot have?

That's why they're being held back.
A longer version I have seen paints a different picture. You can see in the clip that there are protestors on both sides of the police cordon. It seems the police directed one group one way and then directed the other group to arrive from the opposite direction. They then blocked the road and prevented the two groups from joining up.
The ones being stopped can see many of their fellows on the other side of the cordon and neither group understand why they cannot join each other so one side starts pushing to get through.
I hope it was not deliberate by the police to provoke a reaction so will give them the benefit of the doubt that it was just very bad planning and a lack of understanding of where people were.

I've seen footage of them just pushing through before the police got a line on, so potentially the ones you see on the other side are the ones that have already gone through.

If you honestly think the police want to provoke a reaction rather than just have it pass off without issue then I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking.
The reporter who's video i have seen was on the not pushing side at the front with a large group of people behind him. That is how I actually know what happened as i watched the film. He even queries why the two groups have been sent different ways before they even see the cordon. They reach and are let through the cordon just as it closes and film the altercation from the other side. Trust me it wasn't people pushing through from the other side.

bitchstewie

Original Poster:

51,371 posts

211 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Six arrests including a man arrested on suspicion of animal cruelty.

Greendubber

13,222 posts

204 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Vanden Saab said:
Greendubber said:
Vanden Saab said:
Greendubber said:
g4ry13 said:
The police seemed very heavy-handed compared to the weekly Palestine demonstrations.

When it's 'far right' people the riot gear and horses are out. Whereas if you're out supporting a terrorist organisation they let it happen.
Have the Palestine protests breached or attempted to breach the area they're permitted to protest in like this lot have?

That's why they're being held back.
A longer version I have seen paints a different picture. You can see in the clip that there are protestors on both sides of the police cordon. It seems the police directed one group one way and then directed the other group to arrive from the opposite direction. They then blocked the road and prevented the two groups from joining up.
The ones being stopped can see many of their fellows on the other side of the cordon and neither group understand why they cannot join each other so one side starts pushing to get through.
I hope it was not deliberate by the police to provoke a reaction so will give them the benefit of the doubt that it was just very bad planning and a lack of understanding of where people were.

I've seen footage of them just pushing through before the police got a line on, so potentially the ones you see on the other side are the ones that have already gone through.

If you honestly think the police want to provoke a reaction rather than just have it pass off without issue then I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking.
The reporter who's video i have seen was on the not pushing side at the front with a large group of people behind him. That is how I actually know what happened as i watched the film. He even queries why the two groups have been sent different ways before they even see the cordon. They reach and are let through the cordon just as it closes and film the altercation from the other side. Trust me it wasn't people pushing through from the other side.
Link?

There were conditions set today, as there is with nearly every protest in London which is why I mentioned it as someone said something about it being the wrong flag, which is clearly bks.

It's funny how it's always the older potato looking men with St George's flags that always seem to get themselves into trouble.
I've seen videos of them chucking pints of beer at people outside a pub and even fighting with each other but its clearly the police that were the issue today...

Vanden Saab

14,126 posts

75 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Greendubber said:
Link?

There were conditions set today, as there is with nearly every protest in London which is why I mentioned it as someone said something about it being the wrong flag, which is clearly bks.

It's funny how it's always the older potato looking men with St George's flags that always seem to get themselves into trouble.
I've seen videos of them chucking pints of beer at people outside a pub and even fighting with each other but its clearly the police that were the issue today...
Edit.

Sorry I didn't realise there was more than one video. https://www.youtube.com/live/k_j8mlMU1bw?si=IMdisM...

From 11 minutes in.

Edited by Vanden Saab on Tuesday 23 April 20:41

Countdown

39,963 posts

197 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Greendubber

13,222 posts

204 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Vanden Saab said:
Greendubber said:
Link?

There were conditions set today, as there is with nearly every protest in London which is why I mentioned it as someone said something about it being the wrong flag, which is clearly bks.

It's funny how it's always the older potato looking men with St George's flags that always seem to get themselves into trouble.
I've seen videos of them chucking pints of beer at people outside a pub and even fighting with each other but its clearly the police that were the issue today...
https://www.youtube.com/live/nXOyhYozGcQ?si=2AYNqS...
I'm really sorry but I got about 40 seconds into that video before I turned it off.

Patriots - "we're not racist but....."

No thanks.

Moaning about people standing on monuments ... yet.....



Edited by Greendubber on Tuesday 23 April 20:41