So are Landlords finished?
Discussion
Oakey said:
Pit Pony said:
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but that decking is probably going to rot from the underneath now.Killboy said:
Well yes. Obviously landlords are "needed", but only as rental properties are needed. I think expecting tenants to be grateful and thankful to them for the privilege is a little odd. They are contributing to the issues as much as corporates too.
Can you point to any post where anyone has suggested landlords expect tenants to thank them or be greatful? Can I suggest that if you can’t do this you stop posting on the thread as you clearly are not attempting to add anything just spread divisive garbage.So please link to where anyone has suggest landlords want “thanks?”
nikaiyo2 said:
Apart from it’s absolute rubbish.
There are no Rachmans, nothing even close as any landlord doing what he did would be in jail. So no there are no landlords who act like Rachman, there has not been for decades, so let’s stop drawing entirely mendacious comparisons.
I'd assumed most people would have taken it as shorthand for "really sThere are no Rachmans, nothing even close as any landlord doing what he did would be in jail. So no there are no landlords who act like Rachman, there has not been for decades, so let’s stop drawing entirely mendacious comparisons.
tty landlords".And I'd be confident that at the bottom and really dodgy end of the market where calling someone their "landlord" is probably pushing it there will be some seriously s
tty landlords.nikaiyo2 said:
Killboy said:
Well yes. Obviously landlords are "needed", but only as rental properties are needed. I think expecting tenants to be grateful and thankful to them for the privilege is a little odd. They are contributing to the issues as much as corporates too.
Can you point to any post where anyone has suggested landlords expect tenants to thank them or be greatful? Can I suggest that if you can’t do this you stop posting on the thread as you clearly are not attempting to add anything just spread divisive garbage.So please link to where anyone has suggest landlords want “thanks?”
nikaiyo2 said:
Can you point to any post where anyone has suggested landlords expect tenants to thank them or be greatful? Can I suggest that if you can’t do this you stop posting on the thread as you clearly are not attempting to add anything just spread divisive garbage.
So please link to where anyone has suggest landlords want “thanks?”
Ah, but I'm also a "landlord", so if I promise to keep posting if I say things like "How do you intend to house those with insufficient financial discipline to handle a mortgage?" and act like if I wasn't doing the poor unfortunate souls a favor by allowing them to pay rent late they'd be out on the streets? So please link to where anyone has suggest landlords want “thanks?”
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I'd assumed most people would have taken it as shorthand for "really stty landlords".
And I'd be confident that at the bottom and really dodgy end of the market where calling someone their "landlord" is probably pushing it there will be some seriously stty landlords.
Of course it’s not.tty landlords".And I'd be confident that at the bottom and really dodgy end of the market where calling someone their "landlord" is probably pushing it there will be some seriously s
tty landlords.It’s attempting to justify tenants behaviour as being justified as the landlords are just as bad, using a notorious landlord with ties to organised crime.
It’s typical of the antilocution that has been thrown at the PRS since Corbyn and what has caused the state of the rental market now.
Killboy said:
Ah, but I'm also a "landlord", so if I promise to keep posting if I say things like "How do you intend to house those with insufficient financial discipline to handle a mortgage?" and act like if I wasn't doing the poor unfortunate souls a favor by allowing them to pay rent late they'd be out on the streets?
So I can take it that you admit you were just posting made up rubbish? I don’t get why you would? Surely if the thrust of your argument had any basis in fact you would not need to do this? Its only when an argument is entirely facile that you need to use made up emotive points.
NerveAgent said:
If anything, the refurb is the epitome of a “landlord special” replace the door fronts and worktop leaving the ratty tiles, old fixtures etc
It very much depends what part of the market you’re aiming at. I’ve outlined issues with landlords many times previously on the thread, but I think it’s a nice enough update. Not everywhere should be an amazing top of the range beautifully fitted place. That’s the sort of thing that pushes rents up, as they have to be paid for. The apartment in question is decent enough to live, and by avoiding going over the top it will allow people to save up for their own deposit quicker, or not be priced out of renting if they will never have the money for their own place. NRS said:
It very much depends what part of the market you’re aiming at. I’ve outlined issues with landlords many times previously on the thread, but I think it’s a nice enough update. Not everywhere should be an amazing top of the range beautifully fitted place. That’s the sort of thing that pushes rents up, as they have to be paid for. The apartment in question is decent enough to live, and by avoiding going over the top it will allow people to save up for their own deposit quicker, or not be priced out of renting if they will never have the money for their own place.
Of course there are different levels of fittings, finishes etc. I’m just not sure showing a cheap door and worktop replacement on an otherwise 40 year old kitchen is anything other than a landlord special and not highlighting how well the property has been “renovated”. The council turf stuck to the decking is another subject completely. 
nikaiyo2 said:
Of course it’s not.
It’s attempting to justify tenants behaviour as being justified as the landlords are just as bad, using a notorious landlord with ties to organised crime.
It’s typical of the antilocution that has been thrown at the PRS since Corbyn and what has caused the state of the rental market now.
I note you’re not taking the same attitude with people talking about tenants setting up cannabis farms and destroying the property… it works both ways. There are sIt’s attempting to justify tenants behaviour as being justified as the landlords are just as bad, using a notorious landlord with ties to organised crime.
It’s typical of the antilocution that has been thrown at the PRS since Corbyn and what has caused the state of the rental market now.
tty landlords and stty tenants. One, however, holds all the power and clearly expects the other to be thankful when basic legal duties are followed. Landlords are running a business and, as such, need to act as a business owner. Tenants, it’s their life. The issue is too many landlords wanting to make an easy income with minimal work. There are plenty of good landlords, but far too many who see it as a way to make an extra bit of cash and get upset when they have to deal actually do something.
Like our previous poster who thinks their lazy DIY kitchen is something to be proud of.
NerveAgent said:
NRS said:
It very much depends what part of the market you’re aiming at. I’ve outlined issues with landlords many times previously on the thread, but I think it’s a nice enough update. Not everywhere should be an amazing top of the range beautifully fitted place. That’s the sort of thing that pushes rents up, as they have to be paid for. The apartment in question is decent enough to live, and by avoiding going over the top it will allow people to save up for their own deposit quicker, or not be priced out of renting if they will never have the money for their own place.
Of course there are different levels of fittings, finishes etc. I’m just not sure showing a cheap door and worktop replacement on an otherwise 40 year old kitchen is anything other than a landlord special and not highlighting how well the property has been “renovated”. The council turf stuck to the decking is another subject completely. Can someone explain to me using short words how the housing market ended up like this?
I remember in the early '90s and before we had housing booms and busts, and also recall other asset classes booming and busting (classic cars and bikes from the late 80's to the early 90's for example)...
But then suddenly all the money started getting pushed into housing starting in about 1997.
What changed? Can it be changed back? All the tax and regulation changes that have occured since like not being allowed to claim tax relief on mortgage payments seems to be fiddling around the edges...
I remember in the early '90s and before we had housing booms and busts, and also recall other asset classes booming and busting (classic cars and bikes from the late 80's to the early 90's for example)...
But then suddenly all the money started getting pushed into housing starting in about 1997.
What changed? Can it be changed back? All the tax and regulation changes that have occured since like not being allowed to claim tax relief on mortgage payments seems to be fiddling around the edges...
Pit Pony said:
Yes. How long do we think it might last ? It's been down 5 years..
I don't know but I would clean and paint ours with anti-slip decking oil every year and it looked great. Still fell through it recently, underside was totally rotten.I've also got to remove some decking covered in AstroTurf for a customer next week for the same reason
Oakey said:
NerveAgent said:
NRS said:
It very much depends what part of the market you’re aiming at. I’ve outlined issues with landlords many times previously on the thread, but I think it’s a nice enough update. Not everywhere should be an amazing top of the range beautifully fitted place. That’s the sort of thing that pushes rents up, as they have to be paid for. The apartment in question is decent enough to live, and by avoiding going over the top it will allow people to save up for their own deposit quicker, or not be priced out of renting if they will never have the money for their own place.
Of course there are different levels of fittings, finishes etc. I’m just not sure showing a cheap door and worktop replacement on an otherwise 40 year old kitchen is anything other than a landlord special and not highlighting how well the property has been “renovated”. The council turf stuck to the decking is another subject completely. Edited by 98elise on Sunday 28th April 12:58
cwis said:
Can someone explain to me using short words how the housing market ended up like this?
I remember in the early '90s and before we had housing booms and busts, and also recall other asset classes booming and busting (classic cars and bikes from the late 80's to the early 90's for example)...
But then suddenly all the money started getting pushed into housing starting in about 1997.
What changed? Can it be changed back? All the tax and regulation changes that have occured since like not being allowed to claim tax relief on mortgage payments seems to be fiddling around the edges...
Rising population I remember in the early '90s and before we had housing booms and busts, and also recall other asset classes booming and busting (classic cars and bikes from the late 80's to the early 90's for example)...
But then suddenly all the money started getting pushed into housing starting in about 1997.
What changed? Can it be changed back? All the tax and regulation changes that have occured since like not being allowed to claim tax relief on mortgage payments seems to be fiddling around the edges...
Not enough housing where people want to live.
Low interest rates and easy credit
High employment
To bring them down you need to up the supply, or lower the demand.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: If I'm being honest I don't really get why 98elise is getting so much st about that kitchen.
It's basic and functional.
Presumably there are plenty of renters who simply can't or won't pay for a top grade kitchen.
I don't get what I'm missing
It would be interesting if those that think it's awful posted a picture of their kitchens t about that kitchen.It's basic and functional.
Presumably there are plenty of renters who simply can't or won't pay for a top grade kitchen.
I don't get what I'm missing
It's a B&Q type kitchen in an fairly average 60's bult terraced house. You would be mad to put a high end kitchen in an average rental place.
It might shock some but when I replace carpets, it's with mid range one rather than an expensive wool carpet.
98elise said:
It would be interesting if those that think it's awful posted a picture of their kitchens
It's a B&Q type kitchen in an fairly average 60's bult terraced house. You would be mad to put a high end kitchen in an average rental place.
It might shock some but when I replace carpets, it's with mid range one rather than an expensive wool carpet.
Which seems fair.It's a B&Q type kitchen in an fairly average 60's bult terraced house. You would be mad to put a high end kitchen in an average rental place.
It might shock some but when I replace carpets, it's with mid range one rather than an expensive wool carpet.
If I was looking at somewhere to rent and I found somewhere with a brand new top of the range kitchen refurb and high end carpets someone is going to be paying for that.
We all know who that would be.
Not everyone can afford that.
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