Now Gordon wants your organs
Discussion
Smart roadster said:
ONE FINAL TIME YOU WILL NOT HAVE YOUR HAND FORCED, THE PROPOSAL WAS TURNED DOWN.
Sorry to shout but the hard of thinking seem to have missed this small but important point.
I mentioned it on the first page, nobody noticed. I also posted that Spain had stopped the 'opt out' system as it just did not yield the results they wanted, and donations have actually increased since the system stopped. People are too busy arguing to read the facts though.Sorry to shout but the hard of thinking seem to have missed this small but important point.
scorp said:
NEAKY said:
Agreed they have mobile units for this purpose !!
Not had anyone come round to my house to ask me so i'm not exactly sure we're i would go, but we seem to be moving away from my points here. Again I would be happy to give blood or even give consent to allow my organs to be used after my death, the keyword here being 'give'.My main gripe is that people expect blood or organs to be available for them should they need it but are not willing to give their own.
If you worked with 9 other people and they decided to start a lottery syndicate but you declined the offer cos you didn't want to give "your" money would you expect them to give you a share of any winnings from the syndicate , all of whom gave "their" money , i think not !!
NEAKY said:
The point is that you haven't signed up to the register so how would anyone know that you were willing to "give"
My main gripe is that people expect blood or organs to be available for them should they need it but are not willing to give their own.
If you worked with 9 other people and they decided to start a lottery syndicate but you declined the offer cos you didn't want to give "your" money would you expect them to give you a share of any winnings from the syndicate , all of whom gave "their" money , i think not !!
I don't think anyone on this entire thread said they wouldn't give their organs with their consent. The govt presuming my consent isn't consent at all to my eyes.My main gripe is that people expect blood or organs to be available for them should they need it but are not willing to give their own.
If you worked with 9 other people and they decided to start a lottery syndicate but you declined the offer cos you didn't want to give "your" money would you expect them to give you a share of any winnings from the syndicate , all of whom gave "their" money , i think not !!
What's wrong with allowing people to opt-in like we have now ?
Edited by scorp on Wednesday 19th November 12:41
Smart roadster said:
Neaky
I understand why you are so passionate about this subject but no one has ever had there views changed by being badgered. I sympathize with where you are coming from but your hectoring is going to turn more people off donation than encourage them in.
As the point is currently moot my I suggest that no further meaningful discussion will be had on this thread. Those against will remain against and those for will remain for.
A better use of effort would be to hassle your MP to provide more funding for projects like the one in Bristol featured on the news this morning of the altering of donor organs to not be rejected by the recipient.
I am not badgering anyone simply putting across factsI understand why you are so passionate about this subject but no one has ever had there views changed by being badgered. I sympathize with where you are coming from but your hectoring is going to turn more people off donation than encourage them in.
As the point is currently moot my I suggest that no further meaningful discussion will be had on this thread. Those against will remain against and those for will remain for.
A better use of effort would be to hassle your MP to provide more funding for projects like the one in Bristol featured on the news this morning of the altering of donor organs to not be rejected by the recipient.
scorp said:
NEAKY said:
The point is that you haven't signed up to the register so how would anyone know that you were willing to "give"
My main gripe is that people expect blood or organs to be available for them should they need it but are not willing to give their own.
If you worked with 9 other people and they decided to start a lottery syndicate but you declined the offer cos you didn't want to give "your" money would you expect them to give you a share of any winnings from the syndicate , all of whom gave "their" money , i think not !!
I don't think anyone on this entire thread said they wouldn't give their organs with their consent. The govt presuming my consent isn't consent at all to my eyes.My main gripe is that people expect blood or organs to be available for them should they need it but are not willing to give their own.
If you worked with 9 other people and they decided to start a lottery syndicate but you declined the offer cos you didn't want to give "your" money would you expect them to give you a share of any winnings from the syndicate , all of whom gave "their" money , i think not !!
NEAKY said:
The system at present is not working successfully FACT , so until other more successful ideas come up i do not see a better way than this !
So to hell with peoples rights, as long as we save lives/children/rainforests or whatever we can forfeit ALL our rights just so we can achieve a just cause.. 
If anything Neaky you are polarising my view to the "you can f
k right off" end of the scale, and I won't be the only person with this point of view. Which is sad really because I don't disagree with youabout organ donations, just the permission/consent angle.If people have no problems to consenting to organ donation then sign up now
http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/ukt/how_to_become_a...
if we all did this then this discussion would never have taken place
Apologies if it came across as badgering but i am very passionate about this because of what happened to my boys.
I hope none of you ever have to deal with being on the transplant list but unfortunately it does happen to people and one day it could be you !!
Its been fun so i bid you farewell on this subject lol
http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/ukt/how_to_become_a...
if we all did this then this discussion would never have taken place
Apologies if it came across as badgering but i am very passionate about this because of what happened to my boys.
I hope none of you ever have to deal with being on the transplant list but unfortunately it does happen to people and one day it could be you !!
Its been fun so i bid you farewell on this subject lol
NEAKY said:
If people have no problems to consenting to organ donation then sign up now
http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/ukt/how_to_become_a...
if we all did this then this discussion would never have taken place
I'd be happy to sign up http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/ukt/how_to_become_a...
if we all did this then this discussion would never have taken place
swerni said:
so what you're saying is you are happy for people to die because you feel the state is putting on you rather than because you object donors.
This is what pisses me off about the whole premise, is that if you dare to challenge "presumed-consent" this will be the typical answer to it, and Gordon knows it, as with other labour legislation anyone who challenges it gets demonised.swerni said:
I don't believe for one second (IMHO) that at deaths door anyone would question where an organ had come from and then reject it on the basis it was taken from someone who no longer had any use for it but forgotten to opt out.
Well survival instinct probably would override reason, a bit like the analogy i made earlier, if my kids were starving i wouldn't think twice about stealing food, that doesn't mean I advocate stealing.swerni said:
I hope when I die some of my bits are still in tact and they can use them to save lots of lives.
I can't think of a better legacy to leave behind.
I don't think anyone can argue with that.I can't think of a better legacy to leave behind.
Mr Whippy said:
swerni said:
I don't believe for one second (IMHO) that at deaths door anyone would question where an organ had come from and then reject it on the basis it was taken from someone who no longer had any use for it but forgotten to opt out.
Johava witnesses would rather die.Dave
Which conveniently leaves more organs for others.
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