Help with concealed toilet system inlet valve
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Trying to get to grips with the Ideal Standard concealed toilet system in my new house.
The inlet valve keeps running even once the float has reached its ‘stop’ point. The water then goes over the max water level on the outlet valve and continually trickles into the toilet pan loudly.
I’ve taken the outlet valve out and given it a good clean, so I think it’s the inlet valve (the float and silent bag for filling the water tank that’s the issue)
My question is, does it just need replacing, and if so can anyone see from the picture if the connection is likely to be screw or push fit, before I start using brute strength on it and potentially breaking it if I guess the wrong fitting
Red circle is where it’s fitted, green circle is where it’s continuously running from.
The inlet valve keeps running even once the float has reached its ‘stop’ point. The water then goes over the max water level on the outlet valve and continually trickles into the toilet pan loudly.
I’ve taken the outlet valve out and given it a good clean, so I think it’s the inlet valve (the float and silent bag for filling the water tank that’s the issue)
My question is, does it just need replacing, and if so can anyone see from the picture if the connection is likely to be screw or push fit, before I start using brute strength on it and potentially breaking it if I guess the wrong fitting
Red circle is where it’s fitted, green circle is where it’s continuously running from.
That looks to be a push-fit connection. I just had the same problem in France (borrowed the house of a friend), when I turned the water on the toilet wouldn't stop running but that one was all threaded connections. It wasn't all that easy as the only access was from the push-button plate that had to be dis-assembled to gain access to the "works", one in though it was fairly straightforward to fit the replacement.
They can be a real pain - access very restricted & often replacement needs an exact matching part.
Certainly looks like a push fit, released by moving the collet to the left, but takes a bit of persuasion.
Valve is similar to a Torbec side entry, but don’t know if they do a push fit version.
I’d be looking for any branding or names stamped on the valve or other components as a lead.
Certainly looks like a push fit, released by moving the collet to the left, but takes a bit of persuasion.
Valve is similar to a Torbec side entry, but don’t know if they do a push fit version.
I’d be looking for any branding or names stamped on the valve or other components as a lead.
Greshamst said:
I’m struggling to find a way to remove the fitting in red. Have tried moving the ‘collar’ as you would on a push fit system, but no luck.
Those push-fits can be a real problem if there's a lot of crud, the last one I did was on an electric shower that had failed and that was furred up too, I managed to get a vice-grip and wiggle it and eventually it moved (in your case) to the left. The other thing you could try is a couple of long screwdrivers on top and bottom in front of the "collet" and exert some leverage leftwards.miroku1 said:
They are Conceala 2 valves , really easy to change , takes about a minute !
Turn water off , un clip valve from side of cistern disconnect inlet pipe ( it’s speed fit ) replace with new reassemble, could not be easier
I wish you were right but the inlet pipe speed fit fitting does not want to budge! Just can’t get it to release, move a mm or otherwise let me remove the fitting. Turn water off , un clip valve from side of cistern disconnect inlet pipe ( it’s speed fit ) replace with new reassemble, could not be easier
3george said:
He can't get the old one off though.Greshamst said:
Removed the outlet valve to give some more room, but the collar still does not want to move at all.
I’m a bit annoyed I’ve been outdone by a push fit fitting, but not sure what else to do.
If you can't get the pipe off the valve, buy both a new pipe and new valve and replace together.I’m a bit annoyed I’ve been outdone by a push fit fitting, but not sure what else to do.
I just looked up the price for the inlet hose and was somewhat surprised at the price - £67. If it was me and all else had failed I'd get a small hacksaw blade and cut through where the collar is close to the valve (between the push-fit collar and valve body) then attack the push-fit when you can see what's what and why the push-fit collar won't move inwards to release the valve pipe (but there's always a chance that the piece of the valve pipe is stuck in the push-fit and won't come out or you somehow wreck the push-fit collar then it's new inlet hose time anyway).
Edit to add: It looks like it's well and truly encrusted with scale. You could try and use some descaler between the collars and give it another go. There's also a push-fit release tool available but not sure how successful they are as I've only used one on brass push-fit connections.
Edit to add: It looks like it's well and truly encrusted with scale. You could try and use some descaler between the collars and give it another go. There's also a push-fit release tool available but not sure how successful they are as I've only used one on brass push-fit connections.
Edited by WyrleyD on Monday 29th April 14:58
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