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carreauchompeur

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10,590 posts

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Sunday 8th July 2012 quote quote all
Evening all,

The itchy feet have set in, as predicted, quite strongly again after last year's brilliant fortnight in Japan

So, I've booked the first 3 weeks of October off work, and I'd really like to go to India. It's the obvious gap in my extensive Asian travels over the last 5 years, but somewhere that I've been "putting off" for a while because, well, it sounds like hard work!

I've loved the thought of Indian train journeys for a while, BBC 4's Indian Hill Railways was a huge catalyst. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qzk9r

I am a little concerned about my amibitions, I really want to do the Darjeeling and Simla lines as featured in IHR, but it might be a little chilly... Since I also want a good few days on a beach an internal flight might be needed because the distances are huge.

Has anyone done this- Any tips? I'm thinking about getting an Indrail pass and travelling really light- Far lighter than I normally do- so I don't have to stress about lugging a huge bag on and off trains and don't have to stress about valuables being nicked.

Ta!


carreauchompeur

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Come on, someone's done it!

Mobile Chicane

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It does sound like hard work. I'd suggest you looked at a tour with a company like 'Explore' or some such.

I've been trekking with Explore twice now (though not to India) and on each occasion the tour leaders were excellent, explaining all the history and social/cultural stuff about the places we visited.

sjg

4,292 posts

134 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
Yes I have! Busy right now but will follow up later.

http://www.seat61.com/India.htm has some good info to read in the meantime.

carreauchompeur

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sjg said:
Yes I have! Busy right now but will follow up later.

http://www.seat61.com/India.htm has some good info to read in the meantime.
Good work, look forward to it. Have read most of that page, some very useful information.

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Raoul Duke

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
Hiya, i spent about 2 1/2 months there a couple of years ago travelling around solo, and still barely scratched the surface!
But still have a few tips that may help:
Fly into Mumbai if you can as its a better start point than Delhi to ease yourself into the country.
Stay somewhere fairly central such as Colaba for a couple of days and absorb the sights - and smells...
Do the usual tourist stuff whilst there such as the Gate of India, Cafe Mondagar (sp?), Cafe Leopold, Victoria terminus, Elephanta island etc etc. If you're feeling up to it then Colaba docks are fascinating early in the morning when they unload the days catch - it bloody stinks mind.
Met a few people whilst there who had been asked to star in a Bollywood film and they said it was good fun. Got asked myself, but i was on my way to catch a train at the time and sadly didn't get the chance to make my debut on the silver screen.
From Mumbai have a look at the maps and have a think about what you are interested in, its a huge country and the trains are slow, so you will have prioritise the places you really want to get to.
If i was doing it in your timeframe i'd get the train out of Mumbai and head north toward the Punjab and Amritsar, the Golden Temple is sublime at both sunset and sunrise. You can get a taxi from there to Attari for the Pakistan border closing ceremony in the evening which is a must see IMO.
From there i would continue to head north and go to either Shimla or Kashmir for a few days and see some of the Himalaya. Dal Lake ( Srinagar ) is worth looking at if you do get to Kashmir. Although the roads getting there will send you grey... ( the train doesn't get you all the way )
If you can make the time the Dalai Llama's monastary in Mcleod Ganj ( Himachel Pradesh ) its well worth visiting and the general vibe in Dharamsla is fairly chilled for India. However its a bit time consuming to get there.
I wouldn't spend too much time on the Golden Triangle, the sights are must see, but a day at each should be enough any more and the constant hassle from touts etc may well drive you crazy. If you schedule it right then leave these till last and see them on your way to Delhi to fly home.
However if you do choose to start off with this, then maybe continue east and go to Varanasi, and then Khajuraho - seeing what is essentially porn carved in stone in such an otherwise conservative country, even when it comes to just holding hands is surreal!
Trains are definately the way to do India, they are slow paced, stopping frequently for livestock etc but are a wonderful chance to meet Indians, who tend to be very friendly and curious when you travel with them. Dont be afraid to eat the on train meals either, they tend to be rather good!
I found train class AC2 ( second class AC ) is the best compromise between comfort and price. As a bonus you'll find travelling in this class is more likely to sit you with Indians who speak good English.
The protocol of ticket booking has changed a little recently i believe, but usually there will be a tourist quota for each train. But make sure to book any onward journeys early as these quota's will sell out. Ignore any tout who grabs you outside the station, suggesting that you cant buy a ticket - they will probably be scamming you, found this out the hard way at Delhi!
Let yourself be absorbed by India and go with the flow. Be prepared to change your itinerary based on the whim of train availability and other interests that present themselves. And if you do get scammed along the way remember that the value of the scam is normally pretty small, so not worth stressing over!
This rather long winded reply should give you an indication that there is a huge amount to see there, i've not mentioned Goa, Kerala, any of the eastern states etc etc etc!
Oh and as a final point, if you've not read it already then "Shantaram" by Gregory David Roberts is well worth picking up before you go for reading on the plain / train. thumbup
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You've started thinking about going back myself now dammit, so off now to check out Air India flight prices..... Any airline that has Old Spice in the bathrooms whilst serving G+T's and Bombay mix on route gets my business!

sjg

4,292 posts

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Wednesday 11th July 2012 quote quote all
So I'm not an expert but I've spent a couple of months over a few trips and racked up quite a few thousand kms by train in every class available. India is hard work, but it helps a lot if you understand how things work before you go. Even then, expect things to take (much) longer than they should and you'll be fine.

Trains generally need booking in advance. There are some exceptions which seat61 explains, but the idea of just wandering into a station 15 mins before a train and buying a ticket (as you do in the UK) just won't happen. Everything needs reservations, there's usually little financial penalty to cancelling it later, so Indians tend to reserve just in case they'll need it. cleartrip.com worked great for us - print off the e-ticket, just had a fake ticket inspector in Delhi who tried to tell us it wasn't valid and sent us off to an office where they pretended to phone and confirm it was cancelled, then sell us new tickets. Hilariously inept scam, but something to be wary of. Not familiar with the indrail pass, but you'll still need reservations and to be honest, if you're planning an itinerary for a shorter trip, it's very easy to DIY book it all.

The sleeper trains are a good way of covering big distances and save on a night's accommodation. Take earplugs if you're a light sleeper. AC2 and AC3 are still very cheap by western standards and more comfortable than regular sleeper. The Shatabdi Express are very un-indian, fast, comfortable, bit more expensive - more for business travellers and a pleasant way to get quickly from A to B but not a very "indian" experience. Travelling light is a very good idea, just because finding space for big bags on the busier trains can be tricky, plus you won't need to find somewhere to dump your bag as soon as you arrive.

The train up to Shimla is definitely worth doing, both for the journey itself and the town is spectacular - a quaint square and half-timbered buildings but dropped on a mountain ridge. Lots of interesting relics from the Raj. It was cold at night when we went in Nov but fine in the day, especially as you're normally walking up or down hills. Loved Amritsar & Udaipur as well.

With 3 weeks though, try not to cover too much - India is an enormous place and some of the distances between places are staggering. Don't be like the American who wants to "do all of Europe" in a few weeks!

carreauchompeur

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Thursday 19th July 2012 quote quote all
Cool, thanks for the tips thus far. My Rough Guide has arrived this morning, very exciting...

It's quite a luxury having a couple of months to plan etc. Flights haven't come down to quite as cheap as I was hoping yet, and I'm definitely thinking that an "open jaw" ticket might be the way to go...

Lucky I am not doing this at short notice, someone I know at work tipped me the wink that I'll need a letter from work to confirm I'm not on "official business" in order to get a visa!

andysgriff

543 posts

129 months

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Wednesday 25th July 2012 quote quote all
Be prepared for the trots, I worked in India for 3 years in different places and was hospitalised twice through serious Delhi belly combined with dehydration. Good luck and enjoy, an amazing place.


sjg

4,292 posts

134 months

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Wednesday 25th July 2012 quote quote all
Top tip: avoid meat. No problems in the time I spent there by sticking to veg, which is probably one of the easiest countries in the world to do so, and makes very little difference to the flavour of most things.

carreauchompeur

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Friday 3rd August 2012 quote quote all
Planning to fly into Delhi and out of Kochi.

In the middle I'd like to see Shimla, Agra, Jaipur, Jaisalmer, maybe Varanasi then Mumbai and down to Kerala.

I have nearly 3 weeks. Doable? Planning mainly on trains, one internal
Flight wouldn't be a disaster.

groak

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Friday 3rd August 2012 quote quote all
One thing you should try and grasp is the scale/size of the place. It's HUGE!! That trip from Simla in the Himalayan foothills to Kerala in the deep south with several places in between is a massive one. It would be a shame to go to India and spend virtually the whole time 'on the road'. You're also going to pass through a whole variety of different cultures, languages and (most of all, perhaps) climates and temperatures on that travel plan. Though, arguably, October's a very good time to do it, because it won't be too cold yet up North and it won't be too hot darn sarf either.

I loafed about India for years (albeit 30 years ago). I'd have spent at least 6 months covering that route you've organised. Maybe a year.

carreauchompeur

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Saturday 4th August 2012 quote quote all
Fair comment, it is nearly 3000 kms as the crow flies. I've been conscious to build in a bit of redundant time for the inevitable jet lag/Delhi belly. I'd love to spend longer but can't get time off work... Part of me would love to bum around the world for a year because I know how cheap it is in-country.

Will re-assess. I definitely want to do Simla, Jaisalmer and Agra and a good week on the beach but might be able to cut out a middle bit by way of cunning internal flight... Although a lot of the trains are overnight so it does save accommodation and time. ,

carreauchompeur

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Monday 13th August 2012 quote quote all
Right, nearly booked and sorted. Flights sorted, have gone for flying into Delhi and out of Mumbai because as rightly pointed out it's a huge, huge distance to Kerala.

Outline itinerary.. Does this seem a bit "whistle stop" or alright? I'm intending to book most of the trains now because the availability is iffy and it's apparently cheap to cancel. Oh, and I'll probably book the internal flight, everything else is a moveable feast...


Thurs 27th Sep: Leave London
Fri 28th Sep: Arrive New Delhi AM
Sat 29th Sep: Delhi
Sun 30th Sep: Delhi
Mon 1st Oct Leave AM for Simla- Arrive evening
Tues 2nd Oct: Simla
Weds 3rd Oct: Leave Simla afternoon, overnight train via Kalka to Delhi
Thurs 4th Oct: AM- Delhi- Agra
Fri 5th Oct: Agra during day, leave in evening for Jaipur-Arrive same evening
Sat 6th Oct: Jaipur
Sun 7th Oct: Jaipur- Leave overnight for Jaisalmer
Mon 8th Oct: Jaisalmer- arrive AM
Tues 9th Oct: Jaisalmer (Camel safari overnight?)
Weds 10th Oct: Jaisalmer-Leave overnight to Jaipur, arrive 0450
Thurs 11th Oct: Arrive Jaipur AM- Flight to Goa (Departs 1020hrs, arrives 1420)
Fri 12th Oct: Goa
Sat 13th Oct Goa
Sun 14th Oct- Goa
Mon 15th Oct- Goa-Train overnight to Mumbai?
Tues 16th Oct- Mumbai-Arrive in morning- Overnight in hotel for early start.
Weds 17th Oct- LEAVE Mumbai 0440hrs- Arrive LHR 1200
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